General & Others IMU vs THE ENTIRE WORLD GOVERNMENT

#21
Because Gorosei Rank is Public Knowledge
Garling Executing a Celestial Dragon was kept a Secret from Public

WG was Created by 20 Different Kingdoms, meaning 20 Cultures
Yet in Mary Geoise, They all agreed to share Same Culture that involves Knights? (Their Fodders wear Knight Armor)

Gorosei themselves said that Akainu is just Public Face of WG, meaning the ones who are forced to Interact with People are often Inferior than those who Rule from the Shadows, if We apply that Logic, then when it comes to Mary Geoise, it's Gorosei who have to deal with Royalty & Levely & Marines, while Garling deals with CDs themselves

Egghead Arc showed us WG going from Unleashing Seraphim to CP-0 to an Admiral to Buster Call to Gorosei, but Holy Knights were Skipped, it wouldn't make sense if Gorosei have Authority to summon Holy Knights, it's like SHs facing Numbers, then Headliners, then Flying Six & then Kaidou, while Calamities do not Participate in Raid at all & just Chill in their Base, it's Contradictory

Mary Geoise shows Statues of Knights, if They existed before Founding Kings went up there then it means Mary Geoise was Land of Knights "Before" WG Existed, and if They were Created after, then why would Founding Kings make Statues of People other than Themselves?
Those 20 Kings are from Different Cultures & They all had Swords as shown in Empty Throne, so this suggests that Mary Geoise is Land of Knights indeed with or without CDs

Holy Knights being CDs isn't a Counter-Argument, cuz Holy Knights can simply become CDs through Marriage.
Think of WG as a Company owned by CDs while Mary Geoise is Home of Holy Knights who allowed these CDs to run their Company from there. (Oda clearly made this separation between the Land itself & WG when Nefertari were revealed to have refused living there, even though They didn't refuse creating WG nor being part of it & participating in Levely ... etc so their only Problem was with Mary Geoise & Doffy did indeed Hint that something is Hidden there that can make him above CDs)

Also Holy Knights are called God's Knights, yet Garling was Introduced executing a CD? They also didn't accompany Saturn to Protect him, and CP-0 are the ones given Task of Protecting CDs at all Costs, while Admirals are the ones who get Summoned when things get ugly, so God's Knights Name is clearly not reference to CDs

Doffy's Flashback also made it clear that CDs are not given Second Chances, but Shanks despite living his entire Life as a Pirate & is considered much bigger Threat than Doffy is allowed to meet Gorosei & Enter/Exit Mary Geoise without being Attacked? This clearly shows that having Holy Knights Blood is bigger deal than having CDs Blood

At End of Dressrosa, Akainu did suggest the Idea that Gorosei are receiving Orders from those Higher than them
Viz Translation Akainu said: "So you're telling me the whole mess about Doffy was on Orders from Higher than you All?".
Ofc there is Imu, but We know for a Fact that Akainu knows about Holy Knights, however nothing suggests that anyone besides Gorosei know about Imu, until proven otherwise

Dragon also said that Holy Knights will make a move now that Sabo Attacked Mary Geoise, yet They don't Act when it's about stuff happening outside of Holy Land, even Egghead Incident didn't force them to appear, so this clearly shows that Mary Geoise is their HQ, They don't care about outside World or WG, Gorosei are the ones to worry about that. Dragon even added that Real War only starts when Holy Knights join it, not Gorosei who were just used this Arc for Two Volumes, all of them together

And as i said, We already had Fishmen-Island War, Dressrosa War & Onigashima War which are Mega Versions of Arlong Park, Arabasta & Upper Yard Wars, now it's time for Post-TS Version of Enies Lobby War, and it's clear to me that Holy Knights are the New CP-9 (And similarly, Spandam/Garling stayed in their HQ, while Shadow Man/Lucci were on a Secret Mission for Years)

Sorry for long post, but i wanted to mention many Arguments on why Holy Knights are bigger deal than People give them credit.
Even at End of Vega's Speech, Oda made that Shanks-Looking Guy as Bigger Mystery than everyone else included, think of it from Writer Perspective, you just created a Double Spread showing Yonko, Major Characters from Egghead Sub-Plots & other Faction Leaders (Including Imu), yet who is gonna be the hottest topic among Readers? It's gonna be the Mystery Guy you added, so Oda is literally making that Guy seem like bigger deal than everyone else (For now)

It's also teased that Land of Gods was Destroyed before Mary Geoise came to be which in turn existed before WG, so Oda is telling us that Lunarians & other Races were Hunted/Defeated by Founders of Mary Geoise, not Founders of WG

If Holy Knights weren't Major Characters & owners of Mary Geoise Land, then Oda just wanted a Powerful Squad to Fight in End War, He could have simply made CP-0 wear like Knights & made them much more Powerful. As for who Defeats Garling, i still don't have a Guess for now, didn't think much about it yet
Agreed 100%

Oda put a clear distinction between God Valley and the CD
 
#34
Imo the characters that could solo thier crews had a glaring advantage. Along couldn't beat his entire crew, lucci couldn't beat all of cp9, and Mingo couldn't beat all of his crew. This captain beat everyone only started with the yonko where in some yonko crews the gap it just massive between them and the captain with the captain having a ability that let's them beat thier crew. Bm had a life wiping ability that can neg diff all of her crew but kata. With basically none being able to hurt her. Kaido has a giant magma dragon form that's island level which can destroy his entire crew as nobody could stop it on top of none of his crew being able to hurt him. Enel and croc were both logia where none of thier crews could even harm them as well as beingableto dish out huge damage. There are very few captain can solo thier crews with the only cases that it goes for the captain has a great ability that thier crews would struggle with while the crews also can't damage them. Most captain lose to thier entire crews. Imu would lose to the entire wg with thier powers only really being able to neg diff the holy knights and gorosei as they have some hax over people that become thier demons. Just the 4 admirals would probably neg diff imu.
 
#35
Along couldn't beat his entire crew, lucci couldn't beat all of cp9, and Mingo couldn't beat all of his crew
No, they all could. You’re forgetting that injured Zoro beat all the arlong pirates until only 3 guys were left… and then injured Zoro beat Hachi… that’s how weak these guys are

Lucci can beat all of cp-9. People point to Kaku and jyabura having doriki levels similar to Lucci but you’re missing the fact that Lucci is double each of them… if a fight break out Lucci is TWICE as fast as both Kaku and Jyabura… get it? Just because their combined doriki is equal to Lucci doesn’t mean like their Speed somehow combines as well… No, since their speed remains half of Lucci, individually, Lucci will still be blitzes them both… This applies to all stats, strength, durability endurance, even intelligence…

do you remember that there’s a panel of Zoro saying he cannot cut the reinforced wall in Ennies lobby and there’s another panel of Lucci cutting those walls with his rankyaku kicks… So the Zoro who beat Kaku can’t even cut as hard as Lucci’s can cut… that’s how ridiculously higher Lucci’s stats are than everyone else

doflamingo can MOST DEFINITELY stomp his crew… i don’t even have to explain this one. Do you remember how lame his crew was?
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Just the 4 admirals would probably neg diff imu.
No, he would turn all the vice admirals into Immortal demon monsters, if he can possess multiple HK and Gorosei at once he can just possess them as well and turn them to fight the admirals

his shotgun than blew off Broggy’s arm alone can do serious damage to admirals

also you’re forgetting the immortality… Imu is immortal, the demonic minions he creates are immortal, why are you saying the admirals can “neg diff” immortals
 
#36
No, they all could. You’re forgetting that injured Zoro beat all the arlong pirates until only 3 guys were left… and then injured Zoro beat Hachi… that’s how weak these guys are

Lucci can beat all of cp-9. People point to Kaku and jyabura having doriki levels similar to Lucci but you’re missing the fact that Lucci is double each of them… if a fight break out Lucci is TWICE as fast as both Kaku and Jyabura… get it? Just because their combined doriki is equal to Lucci doesn’t mean like their Speed somehow combines as well… No, since their speed remains half of Lucci, individually, Lucci will still be blitzes them both… This applies to all stats, strength, durability endurance, even intelligence…

do you remember that there’s a panel of Zoro saying he cannot cut the reinforced wall in Ennies lobby and there’s another panel of Lucci cutting those walls with his rankyaku kicks… So the Zoro who beat Kaku can’t even cut as hard as Lucci’s can cut… that’s how ridiculously higher Lucci’s stats are than everyone else

doflamingo can MOST DEFINITELY stomp his crew… i don’t even have to explain this one. Do you remember how lame his crew was?
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No, he would turn all the vice admirals into Immortal demon monsters, if he can possess multiple HK and Gorosei at once he can just possess them as well and turn them to fight the admirals

his shotgun than blew off Broggy’s arm alone can do serious damage to admirals

also you’re forgetting the immortality… Imu is immortal, the demonic minions he creates are immortal, why are you saying the admirals can “neg diff” immortals
1. Arlong not beating all the fishman solo. All the fishman would also be backed up by hatchi, kroobi, and the blue guy I'm forgetting his name. It's no implied or shown arlong could solo them all at the same time most captains can't beat thier entire crews. If injured zoro wasn't at his limit once arlong got to him him would have given arong a good fight before he went down to injury. Using zoro doesn't negate the point as a healthy zoro would have been above arlong in arong park. If injured zoro would have fought arlong early not fighting anyone else he would have forced a hard fight and would only loses because he was already injured and would fall to injury. Using zoro doesn't scale to arlong.

2. Dude doroki is just physical power with it extending to rokushiki as it depended on physical strength. It doesn't mean Lucci was double in everything because his number was double. It means his raw physical power is doubled and that his rokushiki would be doubled as a base line. In a fight where he has to 7 other people with his same moves he isn't winning. Again show where it was stated or even implied Lucci could beat all of cp9? Also Kaku had the strongest air slice attack that cut a tower in half. Zoro then cut through a air slash Kaku said would be twice as strong. Zoro obviously got stronger in the fight like most of the sh's did.

3. Yea you have to explain it. Vergo alone can give mingo a good fight and you add in the rest of the crew and Mingo isn't winning. Pica literally can control the entire terrain around Mingo and can make a mountain sized golem to protect the crew and himself for Mingo. Mingo even though himself that pika could beat the sh-heart alliance alone. That how highly Mingo thought of pika and that was with him knowing vergo lost to law and him thinking luffy maybe stronger than law. No Mingo isn't beating his entire crew alone he'd get mid diffed if his entire crew attacked him together.

4. Ok while imu is trying to turn them into demons what do you the the admirals,Kong, gorosei, hk, garp, sword, cp0, segoku etc are doing? The demon process isn't quick or automatic so the others can easily attack imu.

Brogy got stabbed though by Mr 3 in his arm and leg. Shooting off his arm ain't some big feat especially since no haki was used to protect himself.

Immortal doesn't mean can't lose. Imu just can't die but can be subdued. Kaido was "invincible" and only had 1 scar his entire life yet got captured a bunch of times even though he couldn't be killed. He lost those times he was captured even tho he didn't die he still lost. They don't have to kill it just beat them. Subduing imu and imprisoning them with season cuffs on is beat imu. 4 admirals can vastly over power imu and trap her/him. Then you add guys like garp and sengoku and it's even worse. This is just from the marines a part of the wg not even it's whole. Hk have regen and are immortal to put any 4 yc level guys against a hk not named shamrocks and they get neg to low diffed.
 
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#39
Give Shura Enels fruit and he beats him too.
Its only related to actual power in a few cases.
BM is also not soloing her crew.
Not after Law and Kidd beat her.
Doffy is not soloing either.

Imu keep his power by him demon contract.
 
#40
Imo the characters that could solo thier crews had a glaring advantage. Along couldn't beat his entire crew, lucci couldn't beat all of cp9, and Mingo couldn't beat all of his crew. This captain beat everyone only started with the yonko where in some yonko crews the gap it just massive between them and the captain with the captain having an ability that let's them beat thier crew. Bm had a life wiping ability that can neg diff all of her crew but kata. With basically none being able to hurt her. Kaido has a giant magma dragon form that's island level which can destroy his entire crew as nobody could stop it on top of none of his crew being able to hurt him. Enel and croc were both logia where none of thier crews could even harm them as well as beingableto dish out huge damage. There are very few captain can solo thier crews with the only cases that it goes for the captain has a great ability that thier crews would struggle with while the crews also can't damage them. Most captain lose to thier entire crews. Imu would lose to the entire wg with thier powers only really being able to neg diff the holy knights and gorosei as they have some hax over people that become thier demons. Just the 4 admirals would probably neg diff imu.
Minho wins.
 
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