General & Others In a Crew v. Crew battle the Big Mom Pirates beat the Strawhats

[Monkey D. Luffy]

Different pirate crews - Tell me why that’s ever mentioned to matter

Their bounties are relative to their pirate captains, and Big Mom has a lower bounty than Kaido; so on average, Big Mom's crew will have lower bounties than Kaido's crew. Add to the fact the Marines clearly have limited intel on the Big Mom Pirates. They don't entirely know what Cracker's capable of. They gave Perospero a higher bounty than Snack despite Snack being stronger.

Different rationale - No it’s their strength, was stated multiple times

No, it's stated multiple times strength isn't the only factor.

Sweet Generals and Lead Performers meant to be equal -


Laughably wrong

The top groups of two different Yonkou crews with a similar hierarchy system equaling each other is laughable but equating Katakuri to Mr. 3 isn't? You've lost the plot.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Their bounties are relative to their pirate captains, and Big Mom has a lower bounty than Kaido; so on average, Big Mom's crew will have lower bounties than Kaido's crew. Add to the fact the Marines clearly have limited intel on the Big Mom Pirates. They don't entirely know what Cracker's capable of. They gave Perospero a higher bounty than Snack despite Snack being stronger.

Post any proof at all where Oda says bounties are relative to their captains. Any at all. Because damn you must think Marcos fodder who’s captain was 5.1 billion and Marcos bounty was barely above Queens.

No, it's stated multiple times strength isn't the only factor.

And I told you in the manga, multiple times, Katakuris and Kings/queens bounties were attributed to their strength. No one said “they’re dangerous enough for this bounty” it was about their straight up strength. Stop ignoring proof.

The top groups of two different Yonkou crews with a similar hierarchy system equaling each other is laughable but equating Katakuri to Mr. 3 isn't? You've lost the plot.

The groups are VASTLY different, and true Luffy never fights the third strongest subordinate before fighting the strongest member of an organization he’s going to war with… oh wait he does that every time. And Oda had the organization Luffy fight in Wano the Kaido/BM alliance. And Katas the 3rd strongest as Oda made flagrantly clear

You haven’t just lost the plot you’re trying to argue fucking Bleach power scaling systems for one piece.

 

[JoNdule]

Post any proof at all where Oda says bounties are relative to their captains. Any at all. Because damn you must think Marcos fodder who’s captain was 5.1 billion and Marcos bounty was barely above Queens.


And I told you in the manga, multiple times, Katakuris and Kings/queens bounties were attributed to their strength. No one said “they’re dangerous enough for this bounty” it was about their straight up strength. Stop ignoring proof.

The groups are VASTLY different, and true Luffy never fights the third strongest subordinate before fighting the strongest member of an organization he’s going to war with… oh wait he does that every time. And Oda had the organization Luffy fight in Wano the Kaido/BM alliance. And Katas the 3rd strongest as Oda made flagrantly clear

You haven’t just lost the plot you’re trying to argue fucking Bleach power scaling systems for one piece.

Where did Marco even mention Kinga nd queen bounty means they are above katakuri?

Katakuri isn't Mr 3.
They're not from the same crew
Are you ready this annoying to keep writing your same usual stupid arguments?

Go bring up something else

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Their bounties are relative to their pirate captains, and Big Mom has a lower bounty than Kaido; so on average, Big Mom's crew will have lower bounties than Kaido's crew. Add to the fact the Marines clearly have limited intel on the Big Mom Pirates. They don't entirely know what Cracker's capable of. They gave Perospero a higher bounty than Snack despite Snack being stronger.



No, it's stated multiple times strength isn't the only factor.



The top groups of two different Yonkou crews with a similar hierarchy system equaling each other is laughable but equating Katakuri to Mr. 3 isn't? You've lost the plot.

He's a lost case
He doesn't even know what he's saying

 

[Monkey D. Luffy]

Post any proof at all where Oda says bounties are relative to their captains.

The fact that Zoro and Sanji have lower bounties than King and Queen despite beating them. Don't say, "but they didn't see anything," when they raised Zoro's new bounty above Sanji's and Luffy's known as the "man who beat Kaido" by the Marines.

Any at all. Because damn you must think Marcos fodder who’s captain was 5.1 billion and Marcos bounty was barely above Queens.

In other words, they don't assign 2 billion or more to subordinates unless under certain circumstances.

And I told you in the manga, multiple times, Katakuris and Kings/queens bounties were attributed to their strength. No one said “they’re dangerous enough for this bounty” it was about their straight up strength. Stop ignoring proof.

I never said strength wasn't a factor. I said it wasn't the only factor. Now explain why Zoro and Sanji have lower bounties than King and Queen. Explain the Marines' blatantly limited intel on the Big Mom Pirates.

The groups are VASTLY different, and true Luffy never fights the third strongest subordinate before fighting the strongest member of an organization he’s going to war with… oh wait he does that every time.

It didn't happen in Whole Cake Island where Luffy settled on the would-be Zoro opponent as an alternative boss battle over the actual arc boss.

And Oda had the organization Luffy fight in Wano the Kaido/BM alliance. And Katas the 3rd strongest as Oda made flagrantly clear

The Beast and Big Mom Pirates are separate organizations. Even when they joined forces, the hierarchy of both groups stayed the same. Both Kaido and Big Mom were the big bad of the Yonkou Saga.

You haven’t just lost the plot you’re trying to argue fucking Bleach power scaling systems for one piece.

You're becoming as unhinged as HopOnTheHype because you can't validate your silly confirmation biases and questionable perspectives.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

The fact that Zoro and Sanji have lower bounties than King and Queen despite beating them. Don't say, "but they didn't see anything," when they raised Zoro's new bounty above Sanji's and Luffy's known as the "man who beat Kaido" by the Marines.



In other words, they don't assign 2 billion or more to subordinates unless under certain circumstances.



I never said strength wasn't a factor. I said it wasn't the only factor. Now explain why Zoro and Sanji have lower bounties than King and Queen. Explain the Marines' blatantly limited intel on the Big Mom Pirates.



It didn't happen in Whole Cake Island where Luffy settled on the would-be Zoro opponent as an alternative boss battle over the actual arc boss.



The Beast and Big Mom Pirates are separate organizations. Even when they joined forces, the hierarchy of both groups stayed the same. Both Kaido and Big Mom were the big bad of the Yonkou Saga.



You're becoming as unhinged as HopOnTheHype because you can't validate your silly confirmation biases and questionable perspectives.

Luffy beating Kaido was literally seen by CP0. The same is not there for Zoro and Sanji

And no, you’re making unsubstantiated claims and refusing to give any actual proof outside of even more unsubstantiated and wrong claims. The fact that you’re calling my claims unsubstantiated despite quoting the manga is absolutely wild.

Like just stop dude you have no actual points beyond headcanon

 

[Garp the Fist]

You're becoming as unhinged as HopOnTheHype

What a blast from the past that is

 

[Shasha23]

Sanji can be a really really tough fight for Kata
Even if you think Kata wins it won’t be easy at all

During that time Zoro will beat down Smoothie while Jimbe will neg Cracker

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SH top 3 > BM Top 3

cracker having one of his worst mag h ip here

Zoro who is stronger than the sweet commanders will fight the weakest? nice logic

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Luffy beating Kaido was literally seen by CP0. The same is not there for Zoro and Sanji

you are losing it my guy, CP-0 clearly tells you after King loses to Zoro and its made pretty clear that they are monitoring all the fights using the maries or whatever they were called, and they had been reporting everything to the elders

 

[RayanOO]

Zoro who is stronger than the sweet commanders will fight the weakest? nice logic

Yes the easiest match up for the SH to bully the SC is for Zoro to fight and beat Smoothie in a mid fight and Jimbe to destroy Cracker thanks to water and low damage endurance. While Sanji is holding is ground against Kata.

in no time it will be a 3 vs 1 against Kata

 

[Shasha23]

Yes the easiest match up for the SH to bully the SC is for Zoro to fight and beat Smoothie in a mid fight and Jimbe to destroy Cracker thanks to water and low damage endurance. While Sanji is holding is ground against Kata.

in no time it will be a 3 vs 1 against Kata

the easiest matchups is for;

Zoro to destroy Katakuri and go buy time for Luffy to use gears again
Jinbe to deal with Smotheir who uses moisture and liquids
Sanji to destroy Cracker and go help whoever is fighting Peropero

why would a 3 v 1 be needed for Katakuri when Zoro could just outright destroy him?

 

[Sentry22]

the easiest matchups is for;

Zoro to destroy Katakuri and go buy time for Luffy to use gears again
Jinbe to deal with Smotheir who uses moisture and liquids
Sanji to destroy Cracker and go help whoever is fighting Peropero

why would a 3 v 1 be needed for Katakuri when Zoro could just outright destroy him?

Zoro currently doesn’t have any counter to FS. So unless he can come up with one I doubt he would be destroying him.

 

[Monkey D. Luffy]

Luffy beating Kaido was literally seen by CP0. The same is not there for Zoro and Sanji

The Maries outright told Joseph that King was defeated.

Also, the Marines bumped Zoro not just over Sanji but Jimbei when they're inflating former Shichibukai bounties.

And no, you’re making unsubstantiated claims and refusing to give any actual proof outside of even more unsubstantiated and wrong claims. The fact that you’re calling my claims unsubstantiated despite quoting the manga is absolutely wild.

Explain the Marines' limited intel on the Big Mom Pirates like not knowing what Cracker looks like or Snack being worth less than Perospero. Explain Ace's bounty being less than Perospero despite being on the same ballpark as Marco and Jozu.

Like just stop dude you have no actual points beyond headcanon

My points are based on an actual understanding of One Piece. You literally think Whole Cake Island is the same type of arc as Little Garden.

 

[Shasha23]

Zoro currently doesn’t have any counter to FS. So unless he can come up with one I doubt he would be destroying him.

base WCI Luffy was easily able to tag Katakuri, don't tell me current Zoro cant replicate what base WCI Luffy could do, but I assume you read Wano so you wont say anything stupid like that right?

 

[Sir Yasheen]

The Maries outright told Joseph that King was defeated.

Also, the Marines bumped Zoro not just over Sanji but Jimbei when they're inflating former Shichibukai bounties.



Explain the Marines' limited intel on the Big Mom Pirates like not knowing what Cracker looks like or Snack being worth less than Perospero. Explain Ace's bounty being less than Perospero despite being on the same ballpark as Marco and Jozu.



My points are based on an actual understanding of One Piece. You literally think Whole Cake Island is the same type of arc as Little Garden.

No your points are based on your own headcanon.

The marys said king was defeated and didn’t mention by who or how. But sure act like Joseph somehow knew that Zoro beat him when that information wasn’t released.

And again, none of this contradicts the very straight forward claims Oda gave of “Katakuri is a billion Berry Man.” And that Marco said he knew he couldn’t beat two fighters “Worth more than a billion”

You’re trying to pull random strawman arguments cause you have no actual arguments against the manga, but since it contradicts your headcanon about Katakuri, you’re trying to justify it and deluding yourself further.

Just stop the agenda.

 

[Ven437]

Let’s think about this:
Luffy beats Big Mom for sure.

BM doesn’t need her crew, she legit SOLOES the SHs. Once Goofy runs out of G5 and Zoro runs out of KoH, which WILL happen based on current feats, she wipes her ass with all of them

 

[Shasha23]

BM doesn’t need her crew, she legit SOLOES the SHs. Once Goofy runs out of G5 and Zoro runs out of KoH, which WILL happen based on current feats, she wipes her ass with all of them

true but I think Zoro and the crew can keep buying time for Luffy to use gears again, unless if this is a Linlin with her brain turned on the Linlin would destroy the SHP

 

[HA001]

BM doesn’t need her crew, she legit SOLOES the SHs. Once Goofy runs out of G5 and Zoro runs out of KoH, which WILL happen based on current feats, she wipes her ass with all of them

Koh 9 dragons asura folds kaido let alone meme

 

[Ven437]

true but I think Zoro and the crew can keep buying time for Luffy to use gears again, unless if this is a Linlin with her brain turned on the Linlin would destroy the SHP

I can see that but reminder this also happened:

If this happened then everyone bar Goofy, Zoro, Sanji would be soloed

Sanji will also fall quickly as he barely has any firepower to put a dent on her — assuming he even tries to fight women

Neither Goofy nor Zoro are at a level where they can fight at their peak for a prolonged period of time right now, and endurance is BM’s best forte. She took a Puncture Wille and kept it going with regen — and chances are she can even steal the life of other SH members which would cause Goofy to lose his cool for sure, making him careless

IC there are many variables against BM as she is sloppy for sure but fighting as a crew is also not in their best interest. Too many casualties. And if she fights seriously like she did against Kaido or Kidd/Law, she’s gonna be demolishing then using the fodder SH as life for her Homies

Only Goofy and Zoro can actually hurt her but she can also heal from any serious single-move injuries they try to inflict which is too much. Consistent AP is the key to defeating endurance monsters like Kaido or BM

 

[Monkey D. Luffy]

No your points are based on your own headcanon.

The marys said king was defeated and didn’t mention by who or how. But sure act like Joseph somehow knew that Zoro beat him when that information wasn’t released.

And again, none of this contradicts the very straight forward claims Oda gave of “Katakuri is a billion Berry Man.” And that Marco said he knew he couldn’t beat two fighters “Worth more than a billion”

You’re trying to pull random strawman arguments cause you have no actual arguments against the manga, but since it contradicts your headcanon about Katakuri, you’re trying to justify it and deluding yourself further.

Just stop the agenda.

Explain the Marines' poor intel on the Big Mom Pirates.

Explain why the Marines bumped Zoro over Sanji and Jimbei when Shichibukai inflation was a thing.

Explain Perospero having a higher bounty than Ace if they're supposed to be an indicator of strength.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Explain the Marines' poor intel on the Big Mom Pirates.

Explain why the Marines bumped Zoro over Sanji and Jimbei when Shichibukai inflation was a thing.

Explain Perospero having a higher bounty than Ace if they're supposed to be an indicator of strength.

I don’t need to explain anything, I explained Oda having multiple characters explicitly connecting that Katakuris strength is fitting for a Billion Berry Pirate.

I don’t need to explain any of your straw man arguments just because you can’t give an actual one

 

[Monkey D. Luffy]

I don’t need to explain anything

Because you have nothing to explain.