General & Others In a Crew v. Crew battle the Big Mom Pirates beat the Strawhats

[Garp the Fist]

I think the pure numbers of the BM Pirates does make it difficult for the Strawhats to win. Even if we are just counting “main fighters” there 10 Strawhats vs, say, 20 Big Mom Pirates? Not wanting to count them all but the SC, the Vets, the main Enraged Army, Struesen, Tamago and Pekoms, that’s quite a lot.

This then made me leap to how mad it is that EoS Luffy, based on Joy Boy’s Haki vs the Marines, could literally go solo against Big Mom and her entire army, and just by CoC alone wipe it out to Big Mom and (maybe) the SCs.

 

[Monkey D. Luffy]

That literally doesn’t matter that they’re part of two different crews? Oda never made that distinction so please quote why it matters?

It matters because the pirate captain of one has a higher bounty and is regarded as more dangerous. It's the same reason Zoro and Sanji's bounties fall below King and Queen despite beating them.

All you’re doing here is spouting headcanon with no manga backing you up. Show proof of anything you say or just stop talking cause your headcanon is getting ridiculous since it directly contradicts the manga with Marco directly attributing their strength to being worth over a billion berries but you think they’d be worth less than a billion with no change in strength. Absolutely idiotic.

Unless Marco said something about Katakuri in his bounty statement, nothing about it implicates Katakuri being weaker than Queen. You're going to have to do more than just vague sentiments with your cherrypicked context because the Sweet Generals and Lead Performers being near equals is as obvious as Big Mom's veterans and the Tobi Roppo being near equals.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

It matters because the pirate captain of one has a higher bounty and is regarded as more dangerous. It's the same reason Zoro and Sanji's bounties fall below King and Queen despite beating them.



Unless Marco said something about Katakuri in his bounty statement, nothing about it implicates Katakuri being weaker than Queen. You're going to have to do more than just vague sentiments with your cherrypicked context because the Sweet Generals and Lead Performers being near equals is as obvious as Big Mom's veterans and the Tobi Roppo being near equals.

Please back up any of your claims with manga facts, cause this is just more deluded headcanon.

Zoro and Sanjis bounties are lowered because the WG doesn’t know how Zoro and Sanji won that fight since there weren’t any actual witnesses from the WG.

You’re just coping and making headcanon statements without any actual evidence. You’re saying these statements are vague when they literally could not be clearer. Marco didn’t call these guys “commanders” he didn’t say their strength “is possibly more than a billion” Marco definitively said that the strength of these two are “Worth over a billion” something that no one ever said about Katakuri. It’s again one of the most straightforward statements Odas ever been in regards to stating power levels.

Your headcanon is just ridiculous about it

 

[Monkey D. Luffy]

Please back up any of your claims with manga facts, cause this is just more deluded headcanon.

Zoro and Sanjis bounties are lowered because the WG doesn’t know how Zoro and Sanji won that fight since there weren’t any actual witnesses from the WG.

You’re just coping and making headcanon statements without any actual evidence. You’re saying these statements are vague when they literally could not be clearer. Marco didn’t call these guys “commanders” he didn’t say their strength “is possibly more than a billion” Marco definitively said that the strength of these two are “Worth over a billion” something that no one ever said about Katakuri. It’s again one of the most straightforward statements Odas ever been in regards to stating power levels.

Your headcanon is just ridiculous about it

Marco: "These guys deserve their bounties."

Context: "These guys are super duper strong."

Nothing there about Katakuri's power level.

 

[Uncle Van]

The only guarantee in this fight is Luffy and BM fighting on their own away from everyone else. The rest is pure chaos.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Marco: "These guys deserve their bounties."

Context: "These guys are super duper strong."

Nothing there about Katakuri's power level.

Marco: “these guys are worth more than a billion”

Context: These guys are strong enough to warrant bounties over a billion

Luffy/Bege/Brulee: “This man is worth a billion berries”

Context: This man is strong enough to warrant a bounty worth a billion

Common sense: Those worth over a billion > Thoae worth a billion

Randoms on the internet: “but my headcanon…”

 

[Monkey D. Luffy]

Marco: “these guys are worth more than a billion”

Context: These guys are strong enough to warrant bounties over a billion

Luffy/Bege/Brulee: “This man is worth a billion berries”

Context: This man is strong enough to warrant a bounty worth a billion

Common sense: Those worth over a billion > Thoae worth a billion

Randoms on the internet: “but my headcanon…”

Just to be clear, the context of those lines are "so and so is worth this much" and not "so and so really deserve those bounties" because the context of both are different.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Just to be clear, the context of those lines are "so and so is worth this much" and not "so and so really deserve those bounties" because the context of both are different.

The context is the exact same. Hyping individuals up by acknowledging their bounties fully reflect their strength.

Katakuri is worth a billion, not more.
And King And Queen are worth more than a billion

So logically it’s clear how Oda sees these characters
King Queen and Marco in one tier
Katakuri a tier below

And the feats fully reflect that. Your headcanon blanket statements which never use any manga evidence are just you denying the obvious

 

[Dcbluffy]

luffy one taps all of them n high diff big mom

 

[Monkey D. Luffy]

The context is the exact same. Hyping individuals up by acknowledging their bounties fully reflect their strength.

Katakuri is worth a billion, not more.
And King And Queen are worth more than a billion

So logically it’s clear how Oda sees these characters
King Queen and Marco in one tier
Katakuri a tier below

And the feats fully reflect that. Your headcanon blanket statements which never use any manga evidence are just you denying the obvious

Oda: "Please take bounties with a grain-of-salt because they don't necessarily reflect strength."

You: "Does that mean Queen is stronger than Katakuri because you gave him a higher bounty?"

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Oda: "Please take bounties with a grain-of-salt because they don't necessarily reflect strength."

You: "Does that mean Queen is stronger than Katakuri because you gave him a higher bounty?"

You: “Here’s more headcanon because the canon disagrees with what I want”

Dude just stop you have no argument beyond your own headcanon.

 

[Dcbluffy]

He doesn't.

gear 5 isn’t even needed

 

[Cruxroux]

gear 5 isn’t even needed

 

[Monkey D. Luffy]

You: “Here’s more headcanon because the canon disagrees with what I want”

Dude just stop you have no argument beyond your own headcanon.

You tell me I go off of headcanon when Oda and the manga outright tells you a higher bounty doesn't necessarily mean you're stronger.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

You tell me I go off of headcanon when Oda and the manga outright tells you a higher bounty doesn't necessarily mean you're stronger.

But we’re told outright that these 3 characters bounty accurately assesses their strengths. You’re just trying to deny that for no reason but to fit a headcanon lmao

Like what’s even the point of saying their bounties accurately reflect their strength if it’s still wrong


Like use a bit of sense

 

[Monkey D. Luffy]

But we’re told outright that these 3 characters bounty accurately assesses their strengths. You’re just trying to deny that for no reason but to fit a headcanon lmao

Like what’s even the point of saying their bounties accurately reflect their strength if it’s still wrong


Like use a bit of sense

Bounties isn't about one's strength per say but rather about their threat level. If Person A is stronger than Person B but the World Government or Marines deems Person B more dangerous, chances are Person B gets the higher bounty. It's obvious the Sweet Generals and Lead Performers are on the same playing field, but the Lead Performers have a higher bounty on average because the World Government deems the Beast Pirates more dangerous. It's not about being stronger, and even then, Oda has outright stated they can't fully assess the crew mates power levels.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Bounties isn't about one's strength per se but rather about their threat level. If Person A is stronger than Person B but the World Government or Marines deems Person B more dangerous, chances are Person B gets the higher bounty. It's obvious the Sweet Generals and Lead Performers are on the same playing field, but the Lead Performers have a higher bounty on average because the World Government deems the Beast Pirates more dangerous. It's not about being stronger, and even then, Oda has outright stated they can't fully assess the crew mates power levels.

Okay but when the story LITERALLY says “These characters bounties fully reflect their strength” then yes THESE CHARACTERS BOUNTIES REFLECT THEIR STRENFTH


Like stop trying to headcanon away a legit quote from the manga. King and Queen are canonically strong enough to be “Worth more than a Billion” that’s fact. So no Queen would not be worth less than a billion as a sweet commander cause again that’s just a dumb thing to say.

Just take the L dude you’re just arguing the manga with your shitty headcanon

 

[Monkey D. Luffy]

Okay but when the story LITERALLY says “These characters bounties fully reflect their strength” then yes THESE CHARACTERS BOUNTIES REFLECT THEIR STRENFTH

What's the full quote and what chapter?

Just take the L dude you’re just arguing the manga with your shitty headcanon

I'm arguing about a manga but here you are having a meltdown because I'm forcing you to get real points that challenges your questionable viewpoints like Katakuri being the equivalent to a Mr. 3 (let me remind you which scene from Whole Cake Island that King "ripped off").

 

[Sir Yasheen]

What's the full quote and what chapter?



I'm arguing about a manga but here you are having a meltdown because I'm forcing you to get real points that challenges your questionable viewpoints like Katakuri being the equivalent to a Mr. 3 (let me remind you which scene from Whole Cake Island that King "ripped off").

It’s not a meltdown it’s just exhausting telling you to read the manga instead of relying on your own headcanon.

You’re just ignoring the manga repeatedly lmao

 

[Fujishiro]

Zoro is the only chance they have against Katakuri and I’m not sure he wins that fight.

There is you and then there is @nik87 opposite sides of the same coin.