General & Others In a Crew v. Crew battle the Big Mom Pirates beat the Strawhats

[Sir Yasheen]

Katakuri's portrayal was being the top guy of a Yonkou crew on top of having FS and being Luffy's final stepping stone for the Yonkou themselves. If Oda ever writes King and Katakuri scuffling, I guarantee neither would have an easy time with each other.

You mean being one of Big Moms “lowly sons?” The “top guy of a Yonko crew” isn’t portrayal, after all the BMP weren’t even the big bads of the saga, they were a side quest. And yeah, I guess Mr. 3 was also super strong cause he was Luffys stepping stone for the warlords themselves

Oda wrote it out plainly, he had Kata consistently be called “The billion berry man” “A man worth a billion berries” and variations like it, cut to Wano we have Marco a long time commander of the strongest crew in recent memory Looking at King and Queen and calling them pirates powerful enough to be “worth more than a Billion” that one quote ended it right there a direct comparison between Katakuri and two characters Oda had explicitly called worth more than him.

 

[Monkey D. Luffy]

You mean being one of Big Moms “lowly sons?”

A quote that is meant to depict him as weaker than her and in no way changes that he's the strongest under Big Mom.

The “top guy of a Yonko crew” isn’t portrayal

It is when heavy hitters have specialized portrayal.

after all the BMP weren’t even the big bads of the saga, they were a side quest.

That's beside the point. The point is the Big Mom and Beast Pirates are near equals with one side slightly edging the other.

And yeah, I guess Mr. 3 was also super strong cause he was Luffys stepping stone for the warlords themselves

Not the same thing and not the same type of arc. Whole Cake Island was a Dressrosa and Wano without the actual boss battle and matchups to juxtapose the Yonkou from the past villains. Little Garden devotes itself to the subordinate of an upcoming big bad, and Mr. 3 wasn't even the top guy. He wasn't depicted as someone Luffy had to surpass like Katakuri.

Oda wrote it out plainly, he had Kata consistently be called “The billion berry man” “A man worth a billion berries” and variations like it, cut to Wano we have Marco a long time commander of the strongest crew in recent memory Looking at King and Queen and calling them pirates powerful enough to be “worth more than a Billion” that one quote ended it right there a direct comparison between Katakuri and two characters Oda had explicitly called worth more than him.

Bounties aren't power levels. King and Queen have a higher bounty because the WG deems the Beast Pirates as more dangerous than the Big Mom Pirates.

 

[RoronoaZorro]

Sanji vs (food themed character) results in Sanji winning... who would expect that 😳

 

[Sir Yasheen]

A quote that is meant to depict him as weaker than her and in no way changes that he's the strongest under Big Mom.



It is when heavy hitters have specialized portrayal.



That's beside the point. The point is the Big Mom and Beast Pirates are near equals with one side slightly edging the other.



Not the same thing and not the same type of arc. Whole Cake Island was a Dressrosa and Wano without the actual boss battle and matchups to juxtapose the Yonkou from the past villains. Little Garden devotes itself to the subordinate of an upcoming big bad, and Mr. 3 wasn't even the top guy. He wasn't depicted as someone Luffy had to surpass like Katakuri.



Bounties aren't power levels. King and Queen have a higher bounty because the WG deems the Beast Pirates as more dangerous than the Big Mom Pirates.

When bounties are directly linked to their power levels in verse they are lmao

Or what’s your excuse for Katakuris power level constantly equated to a billion berries and the other twos equated to worth more than a billion berries by characters in the verse?????

Or do you think Marco was thinking “Oh damn these guys sure are dangerous to the world government” while he was personally fighting them.

 

[Gorosei]

When bounties are directly linked to their power levels in verse they are lmao

You making yourself look real weak still using bounty scaling in 2024.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

You making yourself look real weak still using bounty scaling in 2024.

Damn can’t believe you think Odas weak when he uses bounty scaling in verse

 

[Gorosei]

Big Mom has too many fighters.

Pretty much this^

 

[Monkey D. Luffy]

When bounties are directly linked to their power levels in verse they are lmao

Or what’s your excuse for Katakuris power level constantly equated to a billion berries and the other twos equated to worth more than a billion berries by characters in the verse?????

Or do you think Marco was thinking “Oh damn these guys sure are dangerous to the world government” while he was personally fighting them.

Wano ends with Zoro and Sanji having lower bounties than King and Queen.

The Marco point only works if he said anything about Katakuri's power level, and I guarantee he'd also struggle with Katakuri and whichever is the number three.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Wano ends with Zoro and Sanji having lower bounties than King and Queen.

The Marco point only works if he said anything about Katakuri's power level, and I guarantee he'd also struggle with Katakuri and whichever is the number three.

Because the straw hats are main character who are constantly getting bounty boosts without power boosts, so why give them their true bounty until they actually show off their true strength?

Marco would never struggle with Katakuri lmao, and so you think Bege, Luffy, and Brûlée would look at king and queen and say “these two are worth a billion.”

No because it’s common sense why Marco said what he said and why those three said what they said and why only characters with a bounty in that 1.3 range got to fight BM while Kata watched his brother get killed by her and did nothing

It’s clear as day who Oda considers the stronger fighter lmao and it’s not kata

 

[Monkey D. Luffy]

Because the straw hats are main character who are constantly getting bounty boosts without power boosts, so why give them their true bounty until they actually show off their true strength?

Because Zoro and Sanji literally beat King and Queen.

Marco would never struggle with Katakuri lmao

If Katakuri was tag-teaming Marco with the third strongest Big Mom Pirate, Marco's definitely going to struggle like he did against King and Queen.

and so you think Bege, Luffy, and Brûlée would look at king and queen and say “these two are worth a billion.”

Well I don't think they'd ever say Queen's worth more than Katakuri.

No because it’s common sense why Marco said what he said and why those three said what they said

Marco's whole point was to reiterate that King and Queen were Kaido's strongest fighters. There's nothing at all to infer that either surpasses Katakuri.

and why only characters with a bounty in that 1.3 range got to fight BM

Why would the Big Mom Pirates fight their own captain unless they want to turn on her?

while Kata watched his brother get killed by her and did nothing

Are you talking about Moscato or Opera? Both happened outside of Katakuri's view.

It’s clear as day who Oda considers the stronger fighter lmao and it’s not kata

King? Sure but by a small margin. Queen? Nah.

 

[Welkin]

Luffy murders Big Mom

Zoro takes some time to adjust to Katakuri’s FS before cutting him down

Sanji swift diffs Cracker then beats Snack

Jinbei is most likely > Smoothie and if he isn’t it’s a close fight regardless

If anything it’s really just the officers that might cause problems

Very few people in the crew (if any) can handle Perospero’s tricky fruit

Oven is incredibly tanky and can dish out serious damage + even hitting him is dangerous with his fruit ability. Franky’s probably the only one that could handle him but Brook is another possibility

Daifuku’s genie is troublesome but Robin should (on paper) beat him easily since she completely counters him. He can’t make the motions to summon the genie if Robin restricts his movement

The SH’s take it high diff

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Because Zoro and Sanji literally beat King and Queen.



If Katakuri was tag-teaming Marco with the third strongest Big Mom Pirate, Marco's definitely going to struggle like he did against King and Queen.



Well I don't think they'd ever say Queen's worth more than Katakuri.



Marco's whole point was to reiterate that King and Queen were Kaido's strongest fighters. There's nothing at all to infer that either surpasses Katakuri.



Why would the Big Mom Pirates fight their own captain unless they want to turn on her?



Are you talking about Moscato or Opera? Both happened outside of Katakuri's view.



King? Sure but by a small margin. Queen? Nah.

Because Big Mom was actively killing the BMP and they needed to bide time to replace the cake so she can calm down.

The whole point of Marco’s line was to directly compare them to Katakuri, if Marco wanted to hype what you think he’d say “Hard to fight two commanders!” Instead he used a phrase that directly compared them to Katakuri? Yeah y’all are coping hard if you don’t see the point of the line. Katakuri was a hype tool to show the level of Billion Berry commanders compared to Luffy to greater hype up King and Queen who are a tier above Kata and Oda reiterated that with Marcos quote.

It’s literally one of the few times in the manga Oda has wrote out how flagrantly these two characters are stronger than another character lmao

 

[Monkey D. Luffy]

The whole point of Marco’s line was to directly compare them to Katakuri, if Marco wanted to hype what you think he’d say “Hard to fight two commanders!” Instead he used a phrase that directly compared them to Katakuri?

Where does Marco directly compare them to Katakuri?

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Where does Marco directly compare them to Katakuri?

Oda does using the quotes by having characters assign their strength to their current bounty and then make one directly say one’s worth more

again, this is one of the only times odas ever directly said these people are stronger than this one guy. But you can keep disagreeing with him if you want

 

[Monkey D. Luffy]

again, this is one of the only times odas ever directly said these people are stronger than this one guy. But you can keep disagreeing with him if you want

Except he hasn't.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Except he hasn't.

Except he has. You just don’t want to admit it. Why continuously drive home how Katas worth a billion berries in strength then immediately talk about how King and Queen are worth more than a billion berries in strength if not for a direct comparison?

 

[Monkey D. Luffy]

Except he has. You just don’t want to admit it.

There's nothing to admit because your reasoning is forced. Marco said nothing about Katakuri's strength. We can't use "but they associate him with one billion" reasoning because we have no dialogue of Marco saying anything about Katakuri's power level. Also, Cracker, and Smoothie are worth less than Queen and Jack, but they're definitely on the same playing field. All we have is the Beast Pirates have a higher bounty on average, and that's likely because the WG deems them as more dangerous.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

There's nothing to admit because your reasoning is forced. Marco said nothing about Katakuri's strength. We can't use "but they associate him with one billion" reasoning because we have no dialogue of Marco saying anything about Katakuri's power level. Also, Cracker, and Smoothie are worth less than Queen and Jack, but they're definitely on the same playing field. All we have is the Beast Pirates have a higher bounty on average, and that's likely because the WG deems them as more dangerous.

We literally can cause that was used multiple times “Billion Berrry Man” trying to deny that his strength was fully attributed to being worth 1 Billion Berries is absolute cope lmao

Cracker and Smoothie are not on the playing field as Queen and Jack we literally have nothing that has ever said or hinted at this, that’s again just cope you’re using to justify massively overestimating a Mr. 3 equivalent character.

And we know that their bounties aren’t overinflated because a character directly attributed Kings and Queens strength to being worth more than 1 billion berries.

You’re just coping hard because you want kata to be stronger than he is, but he never was portrayed on King and queens level. Or show me one manga quote or panel that portrayed him there.

Just one.

 

[Monkey D. Luffy]

We literally can cause that was used multiple times “Billion Berrry Man” trying to deny that his strength was fully attributed to being worth 1 Billion Berries is absolute cope lmao

No because Katakuri and the Disasters are part of two different pirate crews with one pirate captain having a higher bounty over the other. The rationale behind their bounties will differ by crew.

Cracker and Smoothie are not on the playing field as Queen and Jack we literally have nothing that has ever said or hinted at this

No hint? Two of them are Sweet Generals. The other two are Lead Performers. Sweet Generals and Lead Performers are the top guys of their respective crew.

that’s again just cope you’re using to justify massively overestimating a Mr. 3 equivalent character.

Once again, Katakuri isn't a Mr. 3 and Whole Cake Island isn't the same kind of arc as Little Garden. Katakuri would be the equivalent to a Mr. 1 or Ohm.

And we know that their bounties aren’t overinflated because a character directly attributed Kings and Queens strength to being worth more than 1 billion berries.

See the above about bounties.

You’re just coping hard because you want kata to be stronger than he is, but he never was portrayed on King and queens level. Or show me one manga quote or panel that portrayed him there.

Just one.

If he was never portrayed on King and Queen's level, he wouldn't be a Sweet General.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

No because Katakuri and the Disasters are part of two different pirate crews with one pirate captain having a higher bounty over the other. The rationale behind their bounties will differ by crew.



No hint? Two of them are Sweet Generals. The other two are Lead Performers. Sweet Generals and Lead Performers are the top guys of their respective crew.



Once again, Katakuri isn't a Mr. 3 and Whole Cake Island isn't the same kind of arc as Little Garden. Katakuri would be the equivalent to a Mr. 1 or Ohm.



See the above about bounties.



If he was never portrayed on King and Queen's level, he wouldn't be a Sweet General.

That literally doesn’t matter that they’re part of two different crews? Oda never made that distinction so please quote why it matters?

All you’re doing here is spouting headcanon with no manga backing you up. Show proof of anything you say or just stop talking cause your headcanon is getting ridiculous since it directly contradicts the manga with Marco directly attributing their strength to being worth over a billion berries but you think they’d be worth less than a billion with no change in strength. Absolutely idiotic.