General & Others Is all black lightning ACoC? How is ACoC shown?

Kōri no kokyū

Kōri no kokyū

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#62
#62
Occam's Razor rule.

Kaidou , Shanks , Luffy are confirmed Users of AdCoC.
For both it really doesn't Matter on top of that.

For Luffy it's explicitly Stated Kaidou confirms it saying he is using Armanent and Conqueror.

For Shanks, People are passing out like in case of Zoro.

VS.

Honesty Impact and Ice Glove.

- Not even CoC is confirmed , let alone AdCoC.
- nobody faints
- No one even implies that.

On top of that , For Ice Glove, Garp fist was always coated in adcoc and Lightening. But wasn't in Aokiji case. And to the matter of fact that's the only nameless attack done right there. And Shiryu Punch.
 
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Dragon777

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#63
#63
Kōri no kokyū said:
Occam's Razor rule.

Kaidou , Shanks , Luffy are confirmed Users of AdCoC.
For both it really doesn't Matter on top of that.

For Luffy it's explicitly Stated Kaidou confirms it saying he is using Armanent and Conqueror.

For Shanks, People are passing out like in case of Zoro.

VS.

Honesty Impact and Ice Glove.

- Not even CoC is confirmed , let alone AdCoC.
- nobody faints
- No one even implies that.

On top of that , For Ice Glove, Garp fist was always coated in adcoc and Lightening. But wasn't in Aokiji case. And to the matter of fact that's the only nameless attack done right there. And Shiryu Punch.
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Let's take out Kuzan and Koby for a moment, one can agree or not about them regardless, but we agree then that Oda showed multiple use of AdvCoC without trails.

For Shanks It's particulary telling, because even for the CoC poster boy Oda simply didn't draw any trails.
In fact, even Roger's Kamusari vs Oden didn't have any, in the same chapter in which Oda showed the trails vs WB btw, so It's not like he forgot.

Oda simply doesn't care and draw them we he thinks they are pretty or maybe when he wants to draw a certain scene.
If even for his golden boy he didn't, that's telling on how much he values them.

Which Is not good btw, Oda proved himself to be an unrealiable hack, again.
 
Kōri no kokyū

Kōri no kokyū

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#64
#64
Dragon777 said:
Let's take out Kuzan and Koby for a moment, one can agree or not about them regardless, but we agree then that Oda showed multiple use of AdvCoC without trails.
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Remove Luffy G5 from the equation.
- It's been verbally Stated.

For Roger and Shanks.
The lightning-fast strike unleashed from his beloved sword, Gryphon, carries an unshakable and weighty power, embodying the resolve to inherit the techniques of the "Pirate King."
This is what Shanks vivre card says about Kamasuri.
- People are legit Passing out
- Lightening before the Attacks lands.

And for Roger.
" Supreme king Haki ".

For it to be AdCoC.
- Trailing Lightening
- Someone Passing out around
- verbal Confirmation.

I have proved all your " Multiple Instances " as Advanced Conqueror.


Dragon777 said:
Oda simply doesn't care and draw them we he thinks they are pretty or maybe when he wants to draw a certain scene.
If even for his golden boy he didn't, that's telling on how much he values them.

Which Is not good btw, Oda proved himself to be an unrealiable hack, again.
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I understand Drawing Lightening Everytime is a good call to remove Confusion. But Oda does compensate for it if he isn't not Drawing Lightening.

- Luffy in Gear 5 never Showed us Trails type Haki. Except Bajrang Gun Ig. I see it more like G4 with Armanent , us? Haki is visible. But Conqueror Coating I don't think so neccesarly have Hardening color Property. Like G4 is always coated with Armanent , G5 is always coated in Conqueror as well.


- For Shanks Oda explicitly Showed people are Passing out. Not even once in the series it has happened that , " People Passed out Before attack landed " except for the case of AdCoC usage. Which is Zoro and Shanks.
 
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HPsyche

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#65
#65
MonsterKaido said:


Check the middle part of the panel. Ulti has small haki trails.
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That was my point.

If the "lightening" is only present from a clash, it's just Armament Haki.

King's Haki doesn't require clashes for the lightening-sparks, there's a long obvious trail that almost outlines the swing of the attack from what I can see.
The lightening is present before even clashing.
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This is what I mean, there's a trail of lightening before even clashing - this is to me, King's Haki attacks.

Ulti and Luffy clashing, Joker and Luffy, Katakuri and Luffy... there's no trail, there's just a clash with sparks. That to me is just Armament. That's how I make the distinction anyway.
 
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Dragon777

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#66
Kōri no kokyū said:
Remove Luffy G5 from the equation.
- It's been verbally Stated.

For Roger and Shanks.
The lightning-fast strike unleashed from his beloved sword, Gryphon, carries an unshakable and weighty power, embodying the resolve to inherit the techniques of the "Pirate King."
This is what Shanks vivre card says about Kamasuri.
- People are legit Passing out
- Lightening before the Attacks lands.

And for Roger.
" Supreme king Haki ".
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Ok, so we agree that AdvCoC could be used even at very high levels, but no trail whatsoever is shown, which is what we were discussing here.

For it to be AdCoC.
- Trailing Lightening
- Someone Passing out around
- verbal Confirmation.

I have proved all your " Multiple Instances " as Advanced Conqueror.
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Or better, this is what you are willing to consider AdvCoC, which is fine and imho, rightfully. For my part I'd add all the instances of characters looking exactly the same as another confirmed Coc user in the same scene, maybe even using the same move:





So we are left wondering when this is the case and we it isn't.
 
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MonsterKaido

MonsterKaido

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#67
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HPsyche said:
That was my point.

If the "lightening" is only present from a clash, it's just Armament Haki.

King's Haki doesn't require clashes for the lightening-sparks, there's a long obvious trail that almost outlines the swing of the attack from what I can see.
The lightening is present before even clashing.
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This is what I mean, there's a trail of lightening before even clashing - this is to me, King's Haki attacks.

Ulti and Luffy clashing, Joker and Luffy, Katakuri and Luffy... there's no trail, there's just a clash with sparks. That to me is just Armament. That's how I make the distinction anyway.
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Kōri no kokyū

Kōri no kokyū

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#69
#69
Dragon777 said:
Or better, this is what you are willing to consider AdvCoC, which is fine and imho, rightfully. For my part I'd add all the instances of characters looking exactly the same as another confirmed Coc user in the same scene, maybe even using the same move:




So we are left wondering when this is the case and we it isn't.
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Garp Galaxy Impact , Galaxy Divide and Blue hole are Advanced Conqueror.

- Punch on Aokiji is not.
  • No Conqueror lightening
  • No verbal Confirmation
  • Nobody is passing out.
- COBY punch
  • much more like Armanent Haki
  • No verbal Confirmation
  • No Conqueror Lightening
  • And again Occams razor rule. COBY AND AOKIJI ARE NOT EVEN Conqueror Proved so far.

Also.
Coby Honesty Impact is Copy of garp Galaxy Impact. Not galaxy Divide two different set of attacks.
 
Julius

Julius

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#70
#70
Hamlette said:
Who cares about black squiggles?. Did said character do something impressive?, if yes, then just powerscale that. If a character destroys an island with his pinky, I don't really care about some aesthetic lightning effect, that doesn't change what they actually did. A character can have an oceans worth of black lightning coming out while accomplishing a feat that isn't nearly as impressive.
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So simple isn't it? Just powerscale the feat itself, not the amount of lightning trails or the type of Haki used or whatever shit dawg...
 
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