Questions & Mysteries Is Big Mom Dead or Alive?
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Both BM and Kaido are alive and will play a major role in the future.
It's not like this arc is not filled with hints and clues that ties them to basically everything lol
But the idea imo always goes back Rocks pirates as group being the main villains. Didn't happen in Wano but it's happening nonetheless
It's not like this arc is not filled with hints and clues that ties them to basically everything lol
But the idea imo always goes back Rocks pirates as group being the main villains. Didn't happen in Wano but it's happening nonetheless
I believe alive.
There's two Oda doodles that possibly hinted it.
I roughly translated it with my mediocre Uni Japanese.
But would love it if someone translated it better to see.
In these Oda had some continue others. Like Nami was Arigatou and Sanji completed it with Gozaimasu.
Taking that, he put Big Mom and Kaido together.
Big Mom is "Owari dayo" - This is it/ it's the end. (I THINK)
Kaido is "Chigau Sou Janai" - No that's not so.
So hint they're not dead?
There's two Oda doodles that possibly hinted it.
I roughly translated it with my mediocre Uni Japanese.
But would love it if someone translated it better to see.
In these Oda had some continue others. Like Nami was Arigatou and Sanji completed it with Gozaimasu.
Taking that, he put Big Mom and Kaido together.
Big Mom is "Owari dayo" - This is it/ it's the end. (I THINK)
Kaido is "Chigau Sou Janai" - No that's not so.
So hint they're not dead?
I believe alive.
There's two Oda doodles that possibly hinted it.
I roughly translated it with my mediocre Uni Japanese.
But would love it if someone translated it better to see.
In these Oda had some continue others. Like Nami was Arigatou and Sanji completed it with Gozaimasu.
Taking that, he put Big Mom and Kaido together.
Big Mom is "Owari dayo" - This is it/ it's the end. (I THINK)
Kaido is "Chigau Sou Janai" - No that's not so.
So hint they're not dead?
There's two Oda doodles that possibly hinted it.
I roughly translated it with my mediocre Uni Japanese.
But would love it if someone translated it better to see.
In these Oda had some continue others. Like Nami was Arigatou and Sanji completed it with Gozaimasu.
Taking that, he put Big Mom and Kaido together.
Big Mom is "Owari dayo" - This is it/ it's the end. (I THINK)
Kaido is "Chigau Sou Janai" - No that's not so.
So hint they're not dead?
I feel like Jarul's line about preferring older women might be setting BM up for something lmao.
I'm not sure about Kaido, what would bringing him back do? Worst case he ends up being a jobber of some kind.
Plus he got what he wanted which is defeat in glorious battle against a living god.
I guess it could be interesting if he got a cover story spinoff where he learns to discard his bloodlust and use his strength in a restrained way, like a One Piece version of Kratos in the later GOW games.
I'm not sure about Kaido, what would bringing him back do? Worst case he ends up being a jobber of some kind.
Plus he got what he wanted which is defeat in glorious battle against a living god.
I guess it could be interesting if he got a cover story spinoff where he learns to discard his bloodlust and use his strength in a restrained way, like a One Piece version of Kratos in the later GOW games.
Big Mom and Kaido are coming back after their complete flashback since they both have ties with Elbaf and went there together. My guess is they will make amends with Elbaf and the Straw Hats if the Holy Knighs and Shamrock/Garling turns out to be extremely busted.
Big Mom has political ties with Loki who will make Elbaf forgive her if he redeems himself and Hajrudin makes it happen. I also believe he taught Kaido Ragnarok, Three Realm and Thunder Bagua move and story of Joyboy/final war.
Kaido is also probably related to Harald because of the ancient giant and oni connection that I bet will have a flashback. Then there’s that theory where it was Shamrock who fought Kaido, not Shanks so if it’s true then it would be fitting to see Kaido and Loki against the Figarlands.
Big Mom has political ties with Loki who will make Elbaf forgive her if he redeems himself and Hajrudin makes it happen. I also believe he taught Kaido Ragnarok, Three Realm and Thunder Bagua move and story of Joyboy/final war.
Kaido is also probably related to Harald because of the ancient giant and oni connection that I bet will have a flashback. Then there’s that theory where it was Shamrock who fought Kaido, not Shanks so if it’s true then it would be fitting to see Kaido and Loki against the Figarlands.
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There's too many unresolved plotlines for her and Kaido to not come back.
Their "deaths" just felt forced as a way to force the narrative forward and end the arc, with the amount of asspulls and extreme plot armour to the point it was nauseating. Pure EOS Battle Shonen type nonsene but much earlier than that too.
Especially with all the giant children and them being kidnapped and put into actual fatal danger, almost killed off brutally.
Scopper is gonna go all out in wrath but also Nami, Sanji and some of the other SHs but if Big Mom comes back and sees this? Shes gonna be the full on fire and lightning wrath, the walking Ragnarok of fury like a combination of Hela and Surtur upon Elbaf and turning it into Hellbaf.
I've been expecting this especially with the whole plotline of her portrait and Big Mom seemingly thinking it was alive. I thought there was gonna be some Dorian Gray shit going on and or the picture would be revealed to be alive and a homie, maybe with some of Carmel's soul at least possessing it and keeping her alive? Maybe even without Big Mom knowing, as Carmel plotted secretly to possess her maybe if she hasn't already with her awakening too potentially?
Exactly this too. Luffy even promised to Katakuri that he would come back and beat her and thus liberate the family from her. Why the fuck would Oda make Kidd and Law do that on his behalf, when she was built up personally as the direct nemesis of the SHs from Fishman Island for a decade in the story and we had that whole Yonko arc of her forcing Sanji to marry her daughter and then trying to kill him and his family off and chasing the SHs and terrorising them for MANY, MANY chapters too?
The only way her being dead is truly possible is if Oda has fallen off that hard, that he's fallen off harder than Kaido did off the sky island and Gedatsu off Skypeia and w/e and he has suffered too much from his own success and commited an Icarus with the story itself.
God....I wrote so much I could break it up into 4 "mini essays" LMFAO!
Their "deaths" just felt forced as a way to force the narrative forward and end the arc, with the amount of asspulls and extreme plot armour to the point it was nauseating. Pure EOS Battle Shonen type nonsene but much earlier than that too.
It really felt like Oda wanted Wano to be much longer and have the predicted 5 act structure but he was forced to cut it short for various reasons and I'm glad he did personally, although it was too much of an ireedeemable sacrifice on certain plotlines and characters too unfortunately
I'm not even convinced Hawkins, Izo and Ashura Doji are gone tbh, even though I suppose they did bury the bodies of Izo and Doji ofc, but you never know with Oda. Maybe he will really keep them dead like Pedro and 2 of the CP0 guys see to be surprisingly or he will bring them back like Pound, Kinemon, the Vegapunks, Saul and so on. (Although I ALWAYS believe Saul was alive like Sabo too.)
If she's really dead, then how are her homies still alive? But then again Oda said recently-ish that victims of Boa's fruit cannot be unpetrified if she dies and other users of the fruit supposedly can do it, whether thats a bluff from her, an awakening thing or the DF just being that stupidly fucking broken too (it probably relates to the mythology of Medusa and Basilisk or something though).
It also begs the question, if homies can persist after their creator's actual death supposedly, then what the hell happened to Pandora, the sun homie that Carmel made? Where is it? In the Heaven Realm? Playing a sort of Mother Flame type role maybe? That could relate to all the Sun God stuff too somehow?
Also are Prometheus and Napoleon still alive, given Zeus is obviously still alive and so is this homie shield Nash that Goldberg has? Whether it was Big Mom or Carmel made that shield as a homie?
The Supernovas and Warlords weren't planned for the story originally BUT the Yonkos WERE. They were planned from the start and meant to be the main villains of the original 5 year storyline for One Piece. So there's no way they're "just filler" and truly gone from the story and this neglected and badly written.
Oda LOVES bringing back his characters and thus villains and even making them more succesful post defeat even though they shouldn't be or deserve it. Just ask Wapol, Crocodile, Enel, Don Krieg and Gin etc.
Also its really suspect that Oda won't show Smoothies group of BMP who went to Wano and update us on them. I suspect they and Yamato will find Big Mom and Kaido alive but also Pluton under Wano and the old, original Wano and all hell will break loose, somewhat literally even.
I'm not even convinced Hawkins, Izo and Ashura Doji are gone tbh, even though I suppose they did bury the bodies of Izo and Doji ofc, but you never know with Oda. Maybe he will really keep them dead like Pedro and 2 of the CP0 guys see to be surprisingly or he will bring them back like Pound, Kinemon, the Vegapunks, Saul and so on. (Although I ALWAYS believe Saul was alive like Sabo too.)
If she's really dead, then how are her homies still alive? But then again Oda said recently-ish that victims of Boa's fruit cannot be unpetrified if she dies and other users of the fruit supposedly can do it, whether thats a bluff from her, an awakening thing or the DF just being that stupidly fucking broken too (it probably relates to the mythology of Medusa and Basilisk or something though).
It also begs the question, if homies can persist after their creator's actual death supposedly, then what the hell happened to Pandora, the sun homie that Carmel made? Where is it? In the Heaven Realm? Playing a sort of Mother Flame type role maybe? That could relate to all the Sun God stuff too somehow?
Also are Prometheus and Napoleon still alive, given Zeus is obviously still alive and so is this homie shield Nash that Goldberg has? Whether it was Big Mom or Carmel made that shield as a homie?
The Supernovas and Warlords weren't planned for the story originally BUT the Yonkos WERE. They were planned from the start and meant to be the main villains of the original 5 year storyline for One Piece. So there's no way they're "just filler" and truly gone from the story and this neglected and badly written.
Oda LOVES bringing back his characters and thus villains and even making them more succesful post defeat even though they shouldn't be or deserve it. Just ask Wapol, Crocodile, Enel, Don Krieg and Gin etc.
Also its really suspect that Oda won't show Smoothies group of BMP who went to Wano and update us on them. I suspect they and Yamato will find Big Mom and Kaido alive but also Pluton under Wano and the old, original Wano and all hell will break loose, somewhat literally even.
Especially with all the giant children and them being kidnapped and put into actual fatal danger, almost killed off brutally.
Scopper is gonna go all out in wrath but also Nami, Sanji and some of the other SHs but if Big Mom comes back and sees this? Shes gonna be the full on fire and lightning wrath, the walking Ragnarok of fury like a combination of Hela and Surtur upon Elbaf and turning it into Hellbaf.
One of the giant fear monsters being a "giant mom" is foreshadowing of this too imo and its gonna be a hilarious gag when she appears and the holy knights might think she's one of the monsters from Killingham's powers and she will probably be in that demonic hellfire hair form she took when she was all skinny and enraged vs the SHs for added impact and fury too and then they will get the most hilariously terrifed reaction when they realise its the supposedly dead Big Mom instead lmfao. I actually am tempted to make a script about this now too.
Kaido needs to be able to follow up on this too:
The dude is literally Elbaf incarnate in mentality. It's no wonder him and Doflamingo got along too with Doflamingo saying the winners are the true justice of the world, they are the might and right, the ones who decide and make history or w/e.
Ain't it funny how Onigshima's true name was never revealed, why it's the biggest skull we've ever seen like its ancestor of Oars and Kaido, why the giant sword, like Elbaf has one on the Adam tree too and how Kaido wanted Wano to become New Onigashima too?:
It makes me think of "York" in the UK and thus "New York" in USA too and we have a York from the Vegapunks who wants to become a Celestial Dragon too and is working with the World Government like the fucking gluttonous rat she is lmfao.
Also another thing is, Big Mom mentioned Kaido's "victory roar" which we never saw and I refuse to believe we won't ever see it. It would be more fitting for him to do it in Elbaf, in the land of War itself which he loves the most and given his heritage naturally, its his genetic birthright to be there, kick ass and kill fools lmfao.
I think this is the real reason we didn't get awakenings for Kaido and Big Mom too, aside from how obviously unstoppable they both were and the sheer amount of asspulls, plot induced stupidity and armour to beat them took. Oda just took them out of the story temporarily not permanently. When was the last time either of them ever felt so threatened and got defeated? Especially in Big Mom's case? Kaido didn't get that fucked up and almost killed at least in 2 decades now too?
Kaido needs to be able to follow up on this too:
The dude is literally Elbaf incarnate in mentality. It's no wonder him and Doflamingo got along too with Doflamingo saying the winners are the true justice of the world, they are the might and right, the ones who decide and make history or w/e.
Ain't it funny how Onigshima's true name was never revealed, why it's the biggest skull we've ever seen like its ancestor of Oars and Kaido, why the giant sword, like Elbaf has one on the Adam tree too and how Kaido wanted Wano to become New Onigashima too?:
It makes me think of "York" in the UK and thus "New York" in USA too and we have a York from the Vegapunks who wants to become a Celestial Dragon too and is working with the World Government like the fucking gluttonous rat she is lmfao.
Also another thing is, Big Mom mentioned Kaido's "victory roar" which we never saw and I refuse to believe we won't ever see it. It would be more fitting for him to do it in Elbaf, in the land of War itself which he loves the most and given his heritage naturally, its his genetic birthright to be there, kick ass and kill fools lmfao.
I think this is the real reason we didn't get awakenings for Kaido and Big Mom too, aside from how obviously unstoppable they both were and the sheer amount of asspulls, plot induced stupidity and armour to beat them took. Oda just took them out of the story temporarily not permanently. When was the last time either of them ever felt so threatened and got defeated? Especially in Big Mom's case? Kaido didn't get that fucked up and almost killed at least in 2 decades now too?
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I've been expecting this especially with the whole plotline of her portrait and Big Mom seemingly thinking it was alive. I thought there was gonna be some Dorian Gray shit going on and or the picture would be revealed to be alive and a homie, maybe with some of Carmel's soul at least possessing it and keeping her alive? Maybe even without Big Mom knowing, as Carmel plotted secretly to possess her maybe if she hasn't already with her awakening too potentially?
There's so much confusion over Big Mom and Carmel still and there's also the homie Pandora Carmel made on Elbaf decades ago, what happened to it? Where is it? As I was saying earlier, if Big Mom is dead, then it means her homies can exist without her then and thus Pandora should still be alive too potentially? Humans can live up to 140 years apparently unless Kureha is a special exception and extended her lifespan somehow? Immortality Surgery from a previous user of Law's fruit or something else?
I think IIRC, Moria's fruit was also said to persist after death, as in the stolen shadows and such but its been almost 20 years since I've seen Thriler Bark properly so I can't remember lol.
There's too many unresolved plotlines for her and Kaido to not come back.
Their "deaths" just felt forced as a way to force the narrative forward and end the arc, with the amount of asspulls and extreme plot armour to the point it was nauseating. Pure EOS Battle Shonen type nonsene but much earlier than that too.
I'm not even convinced Hawkins, Izo and Ashura Doji are gone tbh, even though I suppose they did bury the bodies of Izo and Doji ofc, but you never know with Oda. Maybe he will really keep them dead like Pedro and 2 of the CP0 guys see to be surprisingly or he will bring them back like Pound, Kinemon, the Vegapunks, Saul and so on. (Although I ALWAYS believe Saul was alive like Sabo too.)
If she's really dead, then how are her homies still alive? But then again Oda said recently-ish that victims of Boa's fruit cannot be unpetrified if she dies and other users of the fruit supposedly can do it, whether thats a bluff from her, an awakening thing or the DF just being that stupidly fucking broken too (it probably relates to the mythology of Medusa and Basilisk or something though).
It also begs the question, if homies can persist after their creator's actual death supposedly, then what the hell happened to Pandora, the sun homie that Carmel made? Where is it? In the Heaven Realm? Playing a sort of Mother Flame type role maybe? That could relate to all the Sun God stuff too somehow?
Also are Prometheus and Napoleon still alive, given Zeus is obviously still alive and so is this homie shield Nash that Goldberg has?
I think IIRC, Moria's fruit was also said to persist after death, as in the stolen shadows and such but its been almost 20 years since I've seen Thriler Bark properly so I can't remember lol.
There's too many unresolved plotlines for her and Kaido to not come back.
Their "deaths" just felt forced as a way to force the narrative forward and end the arc, with the amount of asspulls and extreme plot armour to the point it was nauseating. Pure EOS Battle Shonen type nonsene but much earlier than that too.
I'm not even convinced Hawkins, Izo and Ashura Doji are gone tbh, even though I suppose they did bury the bodies of Izo and Doji ofc, but you never know with Oda. Maybe he will really keep them dead like Pedro and 2 of the CP0 guys see to be surprisingly or he will bring them back like Pound, Kinemon, the Vegapunks, Saul and so on. (Although I ALWAYS believe Saul was alive like Sabo too.)
If she's really dead, then how are her homies still alive? But then again Oda said recently-ish that victims of Boa's fruit cannot be unpetrified if she dies and other users of the fruit supposedly can do it, whether thats a bluff from her, an awakening thing or the DF just being that stupidly fucking broken too (it probably relates to the mythology of Medusa and Basilisk or something though).
It also begs the question, if homies can persist after their creator's actual death supposedly, then what the hell happened to Pandora, the sun homie that Carmel made? Where is it? In the Heaven Realm? Playing a sort of Mother Flame type role maybe? That could relate to all the Sun God stuff too somehow?
Also are Prometheus and Napoleon still alive, given Zeus is obviously still alive and so is this homie shield Nash that Goldberg has?
Exactly this too. Luffy even promised to Katakuri that he would come back and beat her and thus liberate the family from her. Why the fuck would Oda make Kidd and Law do that on his behalf, when she was built up personally as the direct nemesis of the SHs from Fishman Island for a decade in the story and we had that whole Yonko arc of her forcing Sanji to marry her daughter and then trying to kill him and his family off and chasing the SHs and terrorising them for MANY, MANY chapters too?
The only way her being dead is truly possible is if Oda has fallen off that hard, that he's fallen off harder than Kaido did off the sky island and Gedatsu off Skypeia and w/e and he has suffered too much from his own success and commited an Icarus with the story itself.
It's not impossible ofc, we've seen it happen with other series and authors but I think Oda still cares far too much about his magnum opus, his life's work that he's worked on for over half of his lifetime and his recent messages, the way he's involved with the newer films and the OPLA and thus his obsessive control over them just proves that. This is everything to Oda, it changed his life beyond anything we could ever understand and for him to start caring less or hating it seems completely implausible given how much it's transformed his life for the better and he wouldn't be working up to 21 hours a day at most and hospitalising himself if he didn't care about the series that much.
I think like with a lot of authors, Oda's just a victim of extremely overbearing, demanding, strict whatever editors, executives, deadlines and so on and also his own success, ambitions, passions, addictions etc. I can really relate to the latter except hte success part lmfao. That's why his series is all about ambitions and dreaming too, its what matters most to him too.
Oda's sacrificed so much of his life and health to make this happen, to do things this way, as awful as it might make him look in some ways in regards to his family and neglecting his own health and such, this is his dream and passion and to him it means more than anything else in the world, whether we care or understand or not.
For what it's worth, I wish I had even half the tenacity that Oda does. The relentlessness, resilience, drive, ambition, whatever. The guy is an unstoppable machine, his spirit is far too strong like some other authors and he will not stop until death makes him stop once and for all, whenever that is. Hopefully far later than sooner ofc. The guy deserves to finish his GRAND masterpiece no matter what. He deserves that much at least.
Apologies if I come off as condescending or preachy or w/e too lol. I know I rant a million times about Oda and say the most angriest, meanest shit at times but I can't disrespect what he's accomplished and his passions, his dreams and thus almost life/health destroying hard work just to try and make his impossible dream succeed. It's no wonder the story revolves around those themes too.
Idk why I'm so ranty too but I suppose it's long overdue given how much I constant slander and shittalk Oda too lmfao. I gotta counterbalance all that negativity/toxicity too, as it's eating me up inside too and it's part of the reason why I'm permanently avoiding Piratefolk these days now too actually. Even they're far more negative than "WE ARE"!:
I think like with a lot of authors, Oda's just a victim of extremely overbearing, demanding, strict whatever editors, executives, deadlines and so on and also his own success, ambitions, passions, addictions etc. I can really relate to the latter except hte success part lmfao. That's why his series is all about ambitions and dreaming too, its what matters most to him too.
Oda's sacrificed so much of his life and health to make this happen, to do things this way, as awful as it might make him look in some ways in regards to his family and neglecting his own health and such, this is his dream and passion and to him it means more than anything else in the world, whether we care or understand or not.
For what it's worth, I wish I had even half the tenacity that Oda does. The relentlessness, resilience, drive, ambition, whatever. The guy is an unstoppable machine, his spirit is far too strong like some other authors and he will not stop until death makes him stop once and for all, whenever that is. Hopefully far later than sooner ofc. The guy deserves to finish his GRAND masterpiece no matter what. He deserves that much at least.
Apologies if I come off as condescending or preachy or w/e too lol. I know I rant a million times about Oda and say the most angriest, meanest shit at times but I can't disrespect what he's accomplished and his passions, his dreams and thus almost life/health destroying hard work just to try and make his impossible dream succeed. It's no wonder the story revolves around those themes too.
Idk why I'm so ranty too but I suppose it's long overdue given how much I constant slander and shittalk Oda too lmfao. I gotta counterbalance all that negativity/toxicity too, as it's eating me up inside too and it's part of the reason why I'm permanently avoiding Piratefolk these days now too actually. Even they're far more negative than "WE ARE"!:
God....I wrote so much I could break it up into 4 "mini essays" LMFAO!
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Kaido repaying his debt to BM to save her is the likely scenario I’m seeing, BM’s the one who has narrative ties left. She also has O-lin mode which means she can go back into the story without being a walking plothole in the final war. Somebody on their level staying idle in the most massive war will be stupid writing after all. They also can’t really be in the final war, they’re too strong and will take up too much panel time again, redundant.
