Character Discussion Is Blackbeard The Sasuke of One Piece?
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I honestly don't think another Sasuke-like has ever existed in Shonen. Probably never will either.
Kishimoto had insane balls to pull something like that...
Creating a deuteragonist- not a villain, but a proper protagonist of his own story who kept up pace with if not was AHEAD of the main character in both power and narrative for majority of the series.
On top of getting a happy ending and concluding as practically equal to the MC in epilogue anyway.
On top of having independent story arcs unrelated to the MC, meanwhile the MC was the one chasing and revolving around him.
On top of ending up with the female lead whom the MC was crushing on since the beginning
Holy shit lmao.
Teach is just a villain. Maybe main villain, but that doesn't put him anywhere near being essentially the co-protagonist of the series who more than often outshines the MC.
Kishimoto had insane balls to pull something like that...
Creating a deuteragonist- not a villain, but a proper protagonist of his own story who kept up pace with if not was AHEAD of the main character in both power and narrative for majority of the series.
On top of getting a happy ending and concluding as practically equal to the MC in epilogue anyway.
On top of having independent story arcs unrelated to the MC, meanwhile the MC was the one chasing and revolving around him.
On top of ending up with the female lead whom the MC was crushing on since the beginning
Holy shit lmao.
Teach is just a villain. Maybe main villain, but that doesn't put him anywhere near being essentially the co-protagonist of the series who more than often outshines the MC.
thats good and all but the entire story of naruto is shaped around naruto and sasuke's friendship,
gojo has crazy influence but he just isnt sasuke level.
- being under orochimaru
- " killing " orochimaru
- " killing " itachi
- knowing the truth of his brother and becoming an akatsuki member
- crashing the kage's meeting and fighting raikage
- killing konoha's hokage
- summoning all hokages just for a Q/A
- fighting madara and beating kaguya
- fighting the MC to decide the world's fate
- becoming the shadow hokage
there's levels to this shit
gojo has crazy influence but he just isnt sasuke level.
- being under orochimaru
- " killing " orochimaru
- " killing " itachi
- knowing the truth of his brother and becoming an akatsuki member
- crashing the kage's meeting and fighting raikage
- killing konoha's hokage
- summoning all hokages just for a Q/A
- fighting madara and beating kaguya
- fighting the MC to decide the world's fate
- becoming the shadow hokage
there's levels to this shit
Well, we’re talking about narrative significance. Gojo’s very existence reshapes how sorcerers and cursed spirits move, forcing them to account for him at every turn. Long before Yuji even entered the Jujutsu story, Gojo’s presence was already monumental. And since the central conflict revolves around eliminating Sukuna, Yuji still doesn’t surpass Gojo in sheer narrative weight since he really didn’t overshadow Gojo’s contributions in that department either.
I get what you’re saying though, Sasuke was a real foil and mirrored Naruto’s growth. Their story was also more intertwined and we were shown more of Sasuke’s POV throughout.
I get what you’re saying though, Sasuke was a real foil and mirrored Naruto’s growth. Their story was also more intertwined and we were shown more of Sasuke’s POV throughout.
Not even a close comparison lol
Gojo is so integral to the main story that he had to be sealed to give way for what is essentially padding. Hashirama is just a strong bastard of the past, more similar to Kashimo. Gojo is essentially like gravity to the JJK world, his presence is felt even when he’s not even shown.
Gojo is so integral to the main story that he had to be sealed to give way for what is essentially padding. Hashirama is just a strong bastard of the past, more similar to Kashimo. Gojo is essentially like gravity to the JJK world, his presence is felt even when he’s not even shown.
"Well, we’re talking about narrative significance. Gojo’s very existence reshapes how sorcerers and cursed spirits move, forcing them to account for him at every turn. Yuji even entered the Jujutsu story, Gojo’s presence was already monumental "
So thats not a argument than why write it?
Dafaq has to do with anything, is all for one the deut. now in Hero Academia?
Gojo is not a deut. dog
also saying the author wrote a deut. and added half of the manga as padding to keepig him baby jail is insane man logic
So thats not a argument than why write it?
Dafaq has to do with anything, is all for one the deut. now in Hero Academia?
Gojo is not a deut. dog
also saying the author wrote a deut. and added half of the manga as padding to keepig him baby jail is insane man logic
And i told you how narrative significance, especially before the story, has nothing to do with the word deuteragonist
Your arguments were "ahahaha no gojo cant be compared to the singificanly "le system sthifting" hashirama" and you ignored the all for one example that does this before and during the story too
https://www.google.com/search?sca_e...1YG6gQ7xYoAHoECA4QAQ&biw=1745&bih=828&dpr=1.1
Just learn what that word means
No wonder the one piece character take are something else
Your arguments were "ahahaha no gojo cant be compared to the singificanly "le system sthifting" hashirama" and you ignored the all for one example that does this before and during the story too
https://www.google.com/search?sca_e...1YG6gQ7xYoAHoECA4QAQ&biw=1745&bih=828&dpr=1.1
Just learn what that word means
No wonder the one piece character take are something else
And i told you how narrative significance, especially before the story, has nothing to do with the word deuteragonist
Your arguments were "ahahaha no gojo cant be compared to the singificanly "le system sthifting" hashirama" and you ignored the all for one example that does this before and during the story too
https://www.google.com/search?sca_e...1YG6gQ7xYoAHoECA4QAQ&biw=1745&bih=828&dpr=1.1
Just learn what that word means
No wonder the one piece character take are something else
Your arguments were "ahahaha no gojo cant be compared to the singificanly "le system sthifting" hashirama" and you ignored the all for one example that does this before and during the story too
https://www.google.com/search?sca_e...1YG6gQ7xYoAHoECA4QAQ&biw=1745&bih=828&dpr=1.1
Just learn what that word means
No wonder the one piece character take are something else
Like what tf are you talking about? 😂😂
He resolved a lot of the early conflicts, and was involved in the kids’ development. That’s precisely the reason why he had to be sealed until Sukuna was ready to be resurrected at full power. If he wasn’t sealed then the plot itself won’t move forward.
Just tell me you haven’t watched JJK and want to be included in the convo or some shit. What an annoying user.
Yeah. Which makes it even more hilariously ballsy.
He didn't even name the show something that'd be in-line with dual-protagonist story to set expectations. Instead he named it Naruto then proceeded to make it a dual-MC story with Naruto revolving around Sasuke like Killua revolves around Gon lol
In certain ways, maybe. But as an overall character, not really...
Sasuke is practically THE main character of Naruto alongside Naruto himself. The entire story is a two-faced narrative and for the entirety of Part II we see PoV shifts with dedicated dozens of chapters to both of them. Except difference being Sasuke's story is his own and propels without Naruto, meanwhile Naruto reacts to and dances around Sasuke's a lot.
I don't think Gojo has that. In terms of being presented as this badass and strong and perhaps most epic character of the show? Sure Gojo's there. But that ain't really a ballsy thing to do or anything out of ordinary. There are many shows in Shonen where there's this one character who is not the MC but instead an older, mentor figure and ends up being THE shit for literally entire story.
And that's not even getting into the way Kishi treated Sasuke... all that focus, all that emphasis and then even a happy ending.
He didn't even name the show something that'd be in-line with dual-protagonist story to set expectations. Instead he named it Naruto then proceeded to make it a dual-MC story with Naruto revolving around Sasuke like Killua revolves around Gon lol
In certain ways, maybe. But as an overall character, not really...
Sasuke is practically THE main character of Naruto alongside Naruto himself. The entire story is a two-faced narrative and for the entirety of Part II we see PoV shifts with dedicated dozens of chapters to both of them. Except difference being Sasuke's story is his own and propels without Naruto, meanwhile Naruto reacts to and dances around Sasuke's a lot.
I don't think Gojo has that. In terms of being presented as this badass and strong and perhaps most epic character of the show? Sure Gojo's there. But that ain't really a ballsy thing to do or anything out of ordinary. There are many shows in Shonen where there's this one character who is not the MC but instead an older, mentor figure and ends up being THE shit for literally entire story.
And that's not even getting into the way Kishi treated Sasuke... all that focus, all that emphasis and then even a happy ending.