Break Week Is Dark King Rayleigh a Swordsman?

[Shanal]

Can't wait for, "Is Zoro a swordsman?" thread one of these days and Rootbeer actually pushing for him not being a swordsman because he finally used blunt attack in battle

 

[Salah WG]

Sword = An Item
Swordsman = Someone using that Item
It's not really that Complicated.

 

[Bad English]

 

[Djordje]

No he is a bum

for real tho. If he is a swordsman, mohawk should have at least defeated him to get the wss title. Else mohawk's title is fake.

Mohawk didnt even defeat Shanks in their duel , its highly likely he was given title once Shanks lost his arm and was no longer seen worthy for that title .

 

[mly90]

I was waiting for these threads @Albino 👑 lets hear what cope you will cook up
this time don’t hide

 

[MonochromeYoru]

Where does the manga say they never fought?

Where does it say they did fight?

So he isn’t a swordsman then?

He prolly is. I think he considers himself one. Which is the qualification for a swordsman in op.

 

[Albino 👑]

I was waiting for these threads @Albino 👑 lets hear what cope you will cook up
this time don’t hide

You don’t need a sword style to be a swordsman but it does help
The reason Cabaji is one but king isn’t despite neither having one is just because Cabaji considers himself one and king doesn’t

It depends if he had a sword style 100% but without it it’s a lot more in the air

 

[Guymieux]

He said a zoro line before his attack and did a oni giri basically

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

Where does it say they did fight?



He prolly is. I think he considers himself one. Which is the qualification for a swordsman in op.

So Rayleigh isn’t a swordsman until he says “I’m a swordsman”

he can fight exactly the same way that Roger fights but the only difference between him and Roger would be saying “I’m a swordsman” and that alone will completely differentiate him from Roger

so swordsmanship is an identity. Not a fighting style to you @Albino 👑

 

[MonochromeYoru]

So Rayleigh isn’t a swordsman until he says “I’m a swordsman”

he can fight exactly the same way that Roger fights but the only difference between him and Roger would be saying “I’m a swordsman” and that alone will completely differentiate him from Roger

so swordsmanship is an identity. Not a fighting style to you @Albino 👑

Yeah you get it 👍

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

Yeah you get it 👍

Swordsmanship isn’t a fighting style, it’s an identity?

so Zoro wants to become the best at being an identity? He wants to be the “most swordsman identifying person” in the world

 

[MonochromeYoru]

Swordsmanship isn’t a fighting style, it’s an identity?

so Zoro wants to become the best at being an identity? He wants to be the “most swordsman identifying person” in the world

Yes. You already get it man. No need to ask me any further.

🤝

 

[kekaro]

mono vs imma =

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

Yes. You already get it man. No need to ask me any further.

🤝

Why doesn’t he waste his time fighting so much then

 

[MonochromeYoru]

Why doesn’t he waste his time fighting so much then

The answer is already within you my child.

Spoiler

It's not about zoro becoming the most swordsman identifying person of all time.

It's about zoro becoming the strongest out of all the swordsman identifying people alive.

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

It's about zoro becoming the strongest out of all the swordsman identifying people alive.

Which are about 5 people? Like there’s 5 people who have called themselves swordmen in the entire series

Even in Wano they call themselves “Samurai”, not swordsmen, and we know Samurai can include Ninja like Raizo and Izo

 

[MonochromeYoru]

Which are about 5 people? Like there’s 5 people who have called themselves swordmen in the entire series

Now you're understanding why nobody other than zoro fans take wss or zoro's goal seriously.

Cause oda himself doesn't care.

Even in Wano they call themselves “Samurai”, not swordsmen, and we know Samurai can include Ninja like Raizo and Izo

Yes. And Oda did not bother giving zoro a swordsman opponent in the samurai arc. Even though zoro said he'd have all the samurai working under him.

It's a travesty.

 

[Garps tekkai]

I'd say yes.
Inverse swordsmanship actually follows a certain (honor) code and it's multiple times displayed as a craft, with actual techniques/trained movement patterns.
-> Swordsmanship specific movements and techs =/= general named attacks involving swinging a sword.
For example none of Zoro's named techs are just simple sword swings iirc. There's always some specific movement involved.

And Ray's attack gives off heavy traditional swordsmanship vibes, as it instantly reminds one of Zoro, indepedent of him sending Sommers flying instead of cutting him up.

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

Now you're understanding why nobody other than zoro fans take wss or zoro's goal seriously.

But in the world itself they random choose to compare Mihawk, a swordsman, to Shanks, a non-swordsman for no reason then?

like why is it important for Brannew to say Mihawk’s swordsmanship surpasses Shanks’ swordsmanship when Shanks doesn’t use swordsmanship sinfe he doesn’t identify as a swordsman

 

[MonochromeYoru]

But in the world itself they random choose to compare Mihawk, a swordsman, to Shanks, a non-swordsman for no reason then?

Cause shank used to be a swordsman before the unfortunate accident

like why is it important for Brannew to say Mihawk’s swordsmanship surpasses Shanks’ swordsmanship when Shanks doesn’t use swordsmanship sinfe he doesn’t identify as a swordsman

That's literally the only thing that's hype about mohawk. He has no standalone feats or portrayal. It's why he's called the leech.

Brannew was hyping cg up. He used df and brains for croco. Roger pirate connections and stuff for buggy. And shank for mohawk.

How sad is that?