Is Goku A Good Father?

Jew D. Boy

Jew D. Boy

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enelminemreborn said:
my only problem is when people intentionally negate gokus goods and only highlight the bad when picolo by their definition did much worse this is why i dont like picolo equals gohans dad because goku has been ther way longer for gohan because their is no solid evidence to support that claim
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Nah, I’m not someone who thinks Piccolo was a better father figure...he put Gohan through some serious psychological and physical trauma after the Raditz encounter, and they clearly grew close as a result, but he’s just Gohan’s mentor through and through.

Goku has done quite a lot of good, and you don’t have to twist yourself in knots to defend his parenting style. I’m just saying that there is PLENTY of reason why someone might think he ISN’T a good father, but like I said in my first post, “good” parenting is entirely subjective. The responses here say more about us and our own feelings towards our dads than they do about DBZ.
 
enelminemreborn

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Jew D. Boy said:
Nah, I’m not someone who thinks Piccolo was a better father figure...he put Gohan through some serious psychological and physical trauma after the Raditz encounter, and they clearly grew close as a result, but he’s just Gohan’s mentor through and through.

Goku has done quite a lot of good, and you don’t have to twist yourself in knots to defend his parenting style. I’m just saying that there is PLENTY of reason why someone might think he ISN’T a good father, but like I said in my first post, “good” parenting is entirely subjective. The responses here say more about us and our own feelings towards our dads than they do about DBZ.
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thats what i said they're somethings pointing towards why people think this way but when you look at its the opposite
 
ZenZu

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Goku is probably the most selfish person in the entire series, easily more than Vegeta. So caught up in his own bullshit that he doesn't even understand his own son, took Piccolo to lecture him about who his own son is lmao.

He's just an asshole plain and simple, cares more about getting enjoyment out of a fight than actually protecting anything. Shitty father, goes without saying.
 
BossYimz

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Jew D. Boy said:
Obviously, this question can only be answered subjectively - no parent is perfect, no child is without trauma that they pass on in some way, and no family gets through life without internal strife.

Usually, though, relatives don’t also have to save the planet from extraterrestrial and existential threats. Goku is a mighty defender of the universe, and his sons are both more powerful than most other creatures throughout. He clearly loves Gohan and Goten, will sacrifice everything for their safety, and trains them so they can eventually succeed him. It’s equally clear that they revere him for both his power and the care he shows them, even in/from the afterlife.

Is he a good father? The above reasons are all good points in his defense, but he’s also:
• Intentionally put one son (Gohan) in harm’s way multiple times
• Barely knows or spends any real time with the other (Goten)
• Seems to value battling over everything else, to the detriment of his sons’ other interests
• Shows little genuine affection for Chi-Chi, his wife and the mother of said children

For my money, Goku IS a good father, but it’s razor thin. What say y’all?
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Yes he is

A father's role is to provide and protect.
When it comes to protecting, he goes all out even to the point of dying
When it comes to providing he also does provide when he is not busy protecting. We have seen him spending time and home with his wife and kids, getting food etc when there is no crisis.

Given the circumstances that he is in, he is doing a very good job.

As for the points you raised:
  1. Intentionally putting Gohan in harm's way. It has to be noted that Goku won't always be there , the he has to raise up Gohan to take over his duties when he is not there. Gohan also needs to grow up and be able to be a father for his family
  2. Barely knows or spends time with his Goten. This is valid to some extend although we have seen him spend time with gotenwhen therewas no crisis
  3. Values battling over everything else to the detriment of his sons interests. I dont think thisis valid. He had no problem with letting Gohan go to university, stop training.
  4. Shows little affection to Chichi. Showing affection is relative. Some father show affection directly ie by hugging etc whilst others dont and do it indirectly ensuring the family is provided for and protected.
 
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Homelander said:
Goku is bad role model for any father.

To add he is also terrible husband, it looks like he doesnt support chichi in household you can clearly see she has grown sullen with goku's childish behavior as a husband.

Other than a good fighter, he is pretty useless with real life stuff.
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I imagine he was a good father AND husband, until Raditz showed up. Then one thing led to another and we now know him as the obsessed with challenging himself constantly fighting freak.
 
Jew D. Boy

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BossYimz said:
3. Values battling over everything else to the detriment of his sons interests. I dont think thisis valid. He had no problem with letting Gohan go to university, stop training.
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This is the only one on which I’ll disagree - he was dead during the years that Chi-Chi sent Gohan to school, the decision was neither his to make nor override.
 
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Jew D. Boy said:
All right, follow up question since the issue is kinda forcing itself...is Chi-Chi a good wife? Even as overbearing as she is to her kids, they are clearly her number one concern, and she (rightfully) views her husband as the actual biggest threat to their safety, so I’m not doubting her as a mother; she tricked Goku into marriage, doesn’t support ANY of his endeavors, and won’t even grant him a divorce so he can defend the planet without worrying about how mad she’ll be. I’m leaning towards no on this one.
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I think if you look at her in terms of being a support to her husband, and not forcing something onto him which he clearly is uncomfortable with, shes not a good wife.
But the issue imo is that Toriyama cant seem to make up his mind whether to end the series or continue. Goku basically 'retired' after beating Piccolo and flew off with Chichi, and it looked like an end of the series. Hes traveled around the world, accomplished his mission(s), surpassed his enemy and in the end, married. Good enough for an ending right? But then the story continued, and the nature of the story is such that it pushes the MC (whos now not only married, but also has a child) into constant fighting and bettering himself on that field. And since his wife is not a warrior herself, shes reduced to the (from readers perspective) annoying and always interfering side character.
Then Toriyama wants to conclude the story again, by leaving the MC dead and the new generation to take over, so again ignoring his marriage like its some meaningless thing.

Long story short, they never should off gotten married with the story intended to continue after it. It was just a bad fit, love aside.
 
Jew D. Boy

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TEACH D TEACH said:
I think if you look at her in terms of being a support to her husband, and not forcing something onto him which he clearly is uncomfortable with, shes not a good wife.
But the issue imo is that Toriyama cant seem to make up his mind whether to end the series or continue. Goku basically 'retired' after beating Piccolo and flew off with Chichi, and it looked like an end of the series. Hes traveled around the world, accomplished his mission(s), surpassed his enemy and in the end, married. Good enough for an ending right? But then the story continued, and the nature of the story is such that it pushes the MC (whos now not only married, but also has a child) into constant fighting and bettering himself on that field. And since his wife is not a warrior herself, shes reduced to the (from readers perspective) annoying and always interfering side character.
Then Toriyama wants to conclude the story again, by leaving the MC dead and the new generation to take over, so again ignoring his marriage like its some meaningless thing.

Long story short, they never should off gotten married with the story intended to continue after it. It was just a bad fit, love aside.
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Really appreciate this point of view, puts their dynamic in a much better perspective. Had the series ended after DB, we could have safely assumed that Goku and Chi-Chi would spend the rest of their lives in marital bliss while raising their boys without intergalactic battles to detract from their relationship...but every return to the story further diminished her quality of life specifically - her husband died MULTIPLE TIMES, her son(s) both wanted to follow in his footsteps, and she didn’t have enough power to stop any of them from choosing the path of most resistance. With all that in mind, it’s no wonder she’d be constantly frustrated and defensive :smithnie:
 
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He was a good father before Android Saga. Sacrificing his life to save his son and saved his son from Frieza. In Android Saga he became a bad father, gave Cell senzu bean who would fight his son, entrusted Goten and Trunks to defeat Majin Buu instead of doing it himself and the worst thing is abandoning his family to train UUb, a starnger he just met so overall he is a bad father.
 
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