Controversial Is it okay to not care about politics?

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I care

but only enough to post my opinions on the internet and vote every few years.

I don’t care enough to protest. Or to get arrested and get my ass beat by the police.

I have a really good job as an engineer. However my company supports the US government and the war in Israel. I’m probably, in some ways, contributing to the suffering of the Palestinians.

But I feel like I can live with that. It’s not my responsibility to deal with that issue. I’m not the one in control of the US government or Israel. I’m not deciding to bomb or kill. I’m just a replaceable engineer who works to build software tools.

I suppose that’s how the Germans rationalized their actions during the nazi regime. But was that even wrong of them?

Of course it’s wrong to actually be a nazi. But what if you are just a German who works for the Nazis? Not in a concentration camp or anything. Just a factory worker.

Could you really blame those people for not standing up to the nazis? I read about the Germans who did stand up to the nazis. They were all murdered and died meaningless deaths. Years later they are now honored as heroes who stood up against evil. But that’s all they get.

They didn’t get to live the rest of their lives. They didn’t get to marry, have children, grow old.

That’s what I want. I want to live a good life. And I feel like politics, while having its place, isn’t really conducive to having a good life if it becomes your identity. Perhaps that is selfish. But what is wrong with being selfish? Everyone is selfish. Being selfish is how you survive in this world.

Are there things I wouldn’t do? Of course. I try my best to live a moral life. But why should I be expected to sacrifice my livelihood, especially when doing so wouldn’t change a thing?

If I wasn’t doing my job, someone else would be. If I were to quit to protest my company’s actions, I wouldn’t be helping the world, I’d just be hurting myself.

Just like how those Germans who protested hitler didn’t actually stop the Holocaust, but rather needlessly got themselves executed.

Sigh. This is truly one of the conundrums of my life.
We don't have direct democracies anymore,most people are poweless. Your vote matter very little. I'm thinking of stopping voting altogether for a number of reasons. Consuming politics related news takes a tool on your mind. I don't really think it is worthy it anymore. At least where i live.
 
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1 party in germany is advocating for direct democracy.
Ironically this is the party that gets called "anti-democratic".

Which brings me back to my original point.
If you care too little to inform yourself then you are better of not getting involved in politics at all. Not even for voting.
I'm not German, why should i know that? Voting in Brazil seems pointless, because:
1-Corruption.
2-Its always the same clowns running.
3-Voting system is most likely rigged. We don't have the means to count votes.
4-Even if legally elected, a conservative or opposition candidate might still be illegally denied to assume his office.
5-The balance of powers is so fucked, that presidents can do very little. Supreme court does a bunch of illegal shit and gets away with it.
6-Actually, voting keeps the facade of a democracy going. We don't have democracy here. Never had actually. It is all theatrics. Mass abstinence of voting would show what the average joe thinks of politicians here.
7-Brasilia, a tiny city in the middle of a desert like region in Brazil, calls most of the shots concerning administration. States ain't really autonomous. So we don't even have real Federalism.
 
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I'm not German, why should i know that?
The point was how ridiculous it is that the party who pushed for the most democratic way imaginable are considered "anti-democratic".
Its shows how absolutely rigged and idiotic "democracies" are.
Dumb term anyways since most are republics.
As for Brazil, you also live in a republic, not a democracy.
 
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The point was how ridiculous it is that the party who pushed for the most democratic way imaginable are considered "anti-democratic".
Its shows how absolutely rigged and idiotic "democracies" are.
Dumb term anyways since most are republics.
As for Brazil, you also live in a republic, not a democracy.
https://www.stf.jus.br/arquivo/cms/legislacaoConstituicao/anexo/brazil_federal_constitution.pdf
Article 1. The Federative Republic of Brazil, formed by the permanent union of the states, the municipalities, and the Federal District, is a democratic State ruled by the law and founded on: I – sovereignty; II – citizenship; III – human dignity; IV – social values of labor and free enterprise; V – political pluralism. Sole paragraph. All power emanates from the people, who exercise it by means of elected representatives or directly, as provided under this Constitution.
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The point was how ridiculous it is that the party who pushed for the most democratic way imaginable are considered "anti-democratic".
Its shows how absolutely rigged and idiotic "democracies" are.
Dumb term anyways since most are republics.
As for Brazil, you also live in a republic, not a democracy.
The left isn't pro democracy. They don't tolerate a true right wing opposition. The problem with the west is that it is plagued by leftism.
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There's usually only 3 kinds of people who care about politics to a great extent:

1) They have nothing going on and want to be part of something bigger

2) They get money from it

3) they are directly and tangibly feel impacted by political issues
4) People that now what is going on and actually care.
 
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https://www.stf.jus.br/arquivo/cms/legislacaoConstituicao/anexo/brazil_federal_constitution.pdf
Article 1. The Federative Republic of Brazil, formed by the permanent union of the states, the municipalities, and the Federal District, is a democratic State ruled by the law and founded on: I – sovereignty; II – citizenship; III – human dignity; IV – social values of labor and free enterprise; V – political pluralism. Sole paragraph. All power emanates from the people, who exercise it by means of elected representatives or directly, as provided under this Constitution.
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The left isn't pro democracy. They don't tolerate a true right wing opposition. The problem with the west is that it is plagued by leftism.
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4) People that now what is going on and actually care.
"Democracy" is an overused buzzword. Your country is a republic. Its a representative democracy.
Yet nothing forces those representatives to do as they promised.
What good is it if you are being represented by someone or something that can not be held accountable for actively misrepresenting you?
 
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"Democracy" is an overused buzzword. Your country is a republic. Its a representative democracy.
Yet nothing forces those representatives to do as they promised.
What good is it if you are being represented by someone or something that can not be held accountable for actively misrepresenting you?
It does no good, which why is i'm tired of playing this game.
 
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1 party in germany is advocating for direct democracy.
Ironically this is the party that gets called "anti-democratic".

Which brings me back to my original point.
If you care too little to inform yourself then you are better of not getting involved in politics at all. Not even for voting.

That's just one of their ploys tho to distract from their other downright fascist plans + large swaths of the party being connected with Neo-Nazi groups and "Reichsbürger" who even planned a Coup de Etat to overthrow Germanys Liberal/Social democracy and install some "Prince" as new ruler.

There's many damn good reasons why AFD is considered a Right-Wing extreme organisation by Germanys Office for the Protection of the Constitution (thankfully they're not led by that racist & antisemite Maaßen anymore) and i'm always baffled when people not only here, who probably aren't even from Germany keep downplaying this party and their ambitions.

Heck, they're so far-right even fucking Le Pens RN doesn't want them in their european parliament faction anymore, because they're too bad for their own publicity in France.
 
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That's just one of their ploys tho to distract from their other downright fascist plans
Any other party program: valid and true

Theirs: clearly a lie

Obviously you can grasp how stupid you are, no?
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When did this happen?
It did not.
They arrested 25 geriatric dudes armed with air rifles, lmao.
25.
Fucking 25.

Good luck "overthrowing" a middleschool with that.
 
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Any other party program: valid and true

Theirs: clearly a lie

Obviously you can grasp how stupid you are, no?
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It did not.
They arrested 25 geriatric dudes armed with air rifles, lmao.
25.
Fucking 25.

Good luck "overthrowing" a middleschool with that.

Says the guy who nitpicks just one part (and even uses a dumb strawman argument at the same time as if anyone ever said other parties programs must be true) and ignores that even parliament politicians were part of a coup de etat to overthrow the government. Not sorry to say that you're the dumb one here and that's giving you the benefit of the doubt.


Edit: Nvm just say already that you're far-right and hate Democracy, saves us a lot of time. Many of you are bold enough to not even try to hide anymore what they are after recent election results in Europe.
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https://www.stf.jus.br/arquivo/cms/legislacaoConstituicao/anexo/brazil_federal_constitution.pdf
Article 1. The Federative Republic of Brazil, formed by the permanent union of the states, the municipalities, and the Federal District, is a democratic State ruled by the law and founded on: I – sovereignty; II – citizenship; III – human dignity; IV – social values of labor and free enterprise; V – political pluralism. Sole paragraph. All power emanates from the people, who exercise it by means of elected representatives or directly, as provided under this Constitution.
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The left isn't pro democracy. They don't tolerate a true right wing opposition. The problem with the west is that it is plagued by leftism.
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4) People that now what is going on and actually care.

West being plagued by "Leftism" while Conservative EPP was the biggest faction in EU Parliament even before recent far-right surge is some actual brainrot. Also newsflash to you, the far-right isn't pro democracy either as your previous ruler in Brazil Bolsonaro showed. You guys just have too much of a bias for the opposite of the spectrum to see it. Heck, some of you even think centrist-liberals are some far-leftist marxists.

Frankly so many people on both edges of the political spectrum (including you guys) piss me off at this point and unfortunately the world is going through so many crises at same time that one demagogue (on right and left) after another gets voted into power to ruin yet another country even further for years than any modern liberal party ever could. Makes me just puke about most humans and politics.
 
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