Controversial Is it over for THAT fanbase?

[Thaidakar]

What the hell is a coc explosion attack??
How is it not apart of swordsmanship when haki is apart of swordsmanship?
Why is Luffy not using a weapon if it's supposedly not needed to have any mastery over it? It's pretty much meta if we look at toptiers, more than half of them got a weapon.
Would Roger be just as strong as garp if he dropped his sword?

I genuinely think that if certain swordsmen would drop their swords they would need some adaptation time but afterwards would be on the same level as before.
As kaido stated, haki transcends all. It's basically all about haki in the end. Swordsmen only use an additional tool to channel their haki. Thus, they even have more control over their haki than those who use their 'body' to channel it.

On the other hand, non-weapon fighters that pick up weapons would need longer adaptation time to be as strong as they were before without weapon cause they'd struggle with the channeling/haki management.

 

[Chaves]

What the hell is a coc explosion attack??
How is it not apart of swordsmanship when haki is apart of swordsmanship?
Why is Luffy not using a weapon if it's supposedly not needed to have any mastery over it? It's pretty much meta if we look at toptiers, more than half of them got a weapon.
Would Roger be just as strong as garp if he dropped his sword?

Roger and Shanks know how to handle a sword just as Law, Whitebeard, Big Mom, Fujitora, Rocks, Ryokugyu, Kizaru, etc. also know how to handle a sword well. I never said they don't know how to use a weapon,

I also never said that cutting techniques don't need haki to be enhanced, you got all that out of your ass

 

[Rurushu]

You can't ignore that Roger and Shanks' attacks (divine departure) were CoC explosion attacks.

That's like saying that Law's shock whille is a fencing technique too, or that WB using his bisento to expand his earthquake was a cutting attack... But lately I'm not expecting anything from Zoro fanboys

You also can't deny that they did it with a sword.
They fight with sword.
Shanks only fights with a sword at the moment.

Shanks was literally Mihawk's main rival and his swordsmanship is the benchmark for Mihawk's hype

Spoiler

Please cite me a panel in the Manga where it says that non-slashing attacks make you someone else but not a swordsman.

 

[LolonoisZolo]

Mihawk is the world's strongest cutting swordsman and Shanks the world strongest explosive swordsman; and since explosions > cuts then Shanks > Mihawk. This the cope of the day.
Can't wait for he next one.

 

[Franosuke]

Roger and Shanks know how to handle a sword just as Law, Whitebeard, Big Mom, Fujitora, Rocks, Ryokugyu, Kizaru, etc. also know how to handle a sword well. I never said they don't know how to use a weapon,

I also never said that cutting techniques don't need haki to be enhanced, you got all that out of your ass

So you want people to believe that the world’s strongest swordsman’s greatest rival, who he’s had his swordsmanship compared to, is not a swordsman? Good luck with that

 

[Rekien]

You can't ignore that Roger and Shanks' attacks (divine departure) were CoC explosion attacks.

That's like saying that Law's shock whille is a fencing technique too, or that WB using his bisento to expand his earthquake was a cutting attack... But lately I'm not expecting anything from Zoro fanboys

Law is and have always been a swordman just like Fujitora is also a swordman with his df. Law is not even on the same level of Zoro at this point and only a complete idiot would not realize it by now, as even Law himself said, overwhelming haki can deny devil fruit powers.

 

[Wano Never Happened]

Please Oda, dedicate even just one chapter to Mihawk doing anything of note. Have him one-shot that bum Sengoku and his whole fleet or something I don't care, but I can't take this Hakiman CoCk Explosion vs. Fraud Swordpainter debate anymore.

 

[Chaves]

You also can't deny that they did it with a sword.
They fight with sword.
Shanks only fights with a sword at the moment.

Shanks was literally Mihawk's main rival and his swordsmanship is the benchmark for Mihawk's hype

Spoiler

Please cite me a panel in the Manga where it says that non-slashing attacks make you someone else but not a swordsman.

I just think it's ridiculous to say that divine departure (or the attack that Shanks used as a finisher in the movie red, or Roger's clash with WB) is a swordsmanship technique.

Just as it is ridiculous to say that puncture whille or shock wille are swordsmanship techniques

Just as it is ridiculous to say that WB's attacks with bisento are swordsmanship techniques

Or that Fujitora's gravity attacks are swordsmanship techniques

If you guys stop to think how ridiculous you are being in this discussion, you would drop this shit, it smells like ZKK

 

[Herrera95]

What is an evidence to a group that doesn't work with logic?

 

[Rurushu]

I just think it's ridiculous to say that divine departure (or the attack that Shanks used as a finisher in the movie red, or Roger's clash with WB) is a swordsmanship technique.

Just as it is ridiculous to say that puncture whille or shock wille are swordsmanship techniques

Just as it is ridiculous to say that WB's attacks with bisento are swordsmanship techniques

Or that Fujitora's gravity attacks are swordsmanship techniques

If you guys stop to think how ridiculous you are being in this discussion, you would drop this shit, it smells like ZKK

What the fuck does it matter what you think if everything in the manga says Shanks is a swordsman?
What you write is just your fucking headcanons, lol.
Where does such a retarded fuck like you have such arrogance?

 

[Warine]

The idea that shanks was not a swordsman was always stupid let's be real but it was definitely a loophole pre 1058 but now you have to be slow to actually believe he ain't a swordsman

 

[Lor D. Coast]

What is an evidence to a group that doesn't work with logic?

Poison.

 

[Chaves]

What the fuck does it matter what you think if everything in the manga says Shanks is a swordsman?
What you write is just your fucking headcanons, lol.
Where does such a retarded fuck like you have such arrogance?

tell me one time the manga said Shanks is a swordsman??

Getting ahead... You won't find it.

 

[comrade]

I just think it's ridiculous to say that divine departure (or the attack that Shanks used as a finisher in the movie red, or Roger's clash with WB) is a swordsmanship technique.

That may be true, but you can't reduce Shanks' fighting style to Divine Departure. Shanks is considered a top class swordsman who was rival to Mihawk, so he should be able to utilize strong swordsmanship/cutting techniques. Mihawk wouldn't consider someone his rival who just uses his sword like a bat. Or it's that Mihawk considers those shockwaves like Divine Departure channeled through a blade indeed swordsmanship. After all, it is likely that Shanks knew of this move while fighting Mihawk, as he grew up on Roger's ship. He probably didn't just pick that move up as an adult.

Furthermore, the point would still remain, that a powerful swordsman needs powerful Haki. Hardening for a hard blade that doesn't get damaged, Ryuo for cutting and ACoC for further potency. Or have you seen Zoro rejecting ACoC because it's not "specific to swordsmanship"?

 

[Warine]

tell me one time the manga said Shanks is a swordsman??

Getting ahead... You won't find it.

Are you serious

 

[HA001]

Scaves falling apart.

 

[Rurushu]

tell me one time the manga said Shanks is a swordsman??

Getting ahead... You won't find it.

Just like you won't find the crap you're writing about.

Only difference is that I can prove why Shanks is a swordsman based on what the manga has given us so far.

Your logic ignores the entire manga just to grasp at straws.

It's just pathetic.

 

[Rekien]

tell me one time the manga said Shanks is a swordsman??

Getting ahead... You won't find it.

When was it stated that he was not a swordman or that he fights withoud using a sword?

 

[Chaves]

That may be true, but you can't reduce Shanks' fighting style to Divine Departure. Shanks is considered a top class swordsman who was rival to Mihawk, so he should be able to utilize strong swordsmanship/cutting techniques. Mihawk wouldn't consider someone his rival who just uses his sword like a bat. Or it's that Mihawk considers those shockwaves like Divine Departure channeled through a blade indeed swordsmanship. After all, it is likely that Shanks knew of this move while fighting Mihawk, as he grew up on Roger's ship. He probably didn't just pick that move up as an adult.

Furthermore, the point would still remain, that a powerful swordsman needs powerful Haki. Hardening for a hard blade that doesn't get damaged, Ryuo for cutting and ACoC for further potency. Or have you seen Zoro rejecting ACoC because it's not "specific to swordsmanship"?

Again, I never separated cutting skills with CoC, of course swordsmanship skills are enhanced with the use of haki, just like any other fighting style.

From the moment Zoro started using CoC as shockwaves to use to blow up his opponent, then this would no longer fit as a swordsman who uses swordsmanship skills.

I also never denied that Shanks had good swordsmanship skills, but like I said, many other characters have good swordsmanship skills and are not considered swordsmen (King, Daz Bones, Law, Ryokugyu, Kizaru, Big Mom, Rocks, WB, etc.

 

[zenox]

someone who thinks this was zoro clashing his swords together should not talk abt swordsmanship at all

go back to the little cave u came from