Powers & Abilities Is it PIS that Rayleigh didn't at the very least, explain the basic concepts of ACoA and ACoC?

Le Fishe D. Tomdou

My pronouns are Fish/Yum
#41
You literally can't even damage Kaido using traditional punches or slashes without barrier haki.

Internal destruction maybe overhyped, but then again Luffy explained Kaido had to dodge his internal destruction attacks because they were doing too much damage.

Advanced CoC allowed Luffy to clash with Kaido without fear and supression, creating sky splitting yonko clashes in base...
Adv CoC one shot Page One where the special OP laser failed to one shot Ulti and it also one shot Luffy both with Raime Hakke and Ragnarok.

Adv CoC user vs. non user can lead to a complete mismatch Like Roger vs Oden.
No.
We already saw plenty of characters using some form of "internal destruction" like you
folks likd to call it - Killer, Rayleigh, Sanji, Sabo, Law Jinbei, Santamaru, Rob Lucci, imapct/reverse dials in Skypia and hell even Luffy with 'Red Hawk' it's nothing new Luffy just didn't understand this because he baka.

CoC clash isn't new pleb Luffy already did it with serval character and was able to clad himself the 1st moment he realise this possible (he didn't until now because he baka).

Don Le Fishe stand correct it's another false hype like Mantra or Rukoshiki.
 

Fleet Admiral Lee Hung

Conqueror of the Stars
#42
Really weird thread with really weird misinformation.

“Rayleigh didn’t tell Luffy about advanced Haki!”

False, Rayleigh told Luffy about advanced CoA and advanced CoO. Hell Rayleigh sent a gigantic elephant flying moments after telling Luffy that his armament Haki could be weaponized. Luffy even explicitly referenced Rayleigh’s Haki when trying to learn AdCoA.

Rayleigh also told Luffy what Future Sight was which was the entire reason that Luffy learned AdCoO from Katakuri.

As for AdCoC, y’all need to jump the gun less and stop assuming the only application of AdCoC is the way Kaido and Zoro have used it lol. Rayleigh told Luffy that his CoC would grow, but that there was no explicit way to train the ability. So why waist any more time on it than that, especially if Oda simply reveals tomorrow that Rayleigh DID teach Luffy about AdCoC during the flashback and we just don’t know it yet?

“Rayleigh never told Luffy that Gear 4 wouldn’t help him defeat any enemies in the New World!”

Yes, he did. He literally did. Which is why Luffy came up with KKG and such. Rayleigh even told Luffy that KKG was even worse than Gear 4 because it would backfire on him worse.

Y’all need to reread the manga lol.
 
#43
No.
We already saw plenty of characters using some form of "internal destruction" like you
folks likd to call it - Killer, Rayleigh, Sanji, Sabo, Law Jinbei, Santamaru, Rob Lucci, imapct/reverse dials in Skypia and hell even Luffy with 'Red Hawk' it's nothing new Luffy just didn't understand this because he baka.

CoC clash isn't new pleb Luffy already did it with serval character and was able to clad himself the 1st moment he realise this possible (he didn't until now because he baka).

Don Le Fishe stand correct it's another false hype like Mantra or Rukoshiki.
Killer can't CUT kaido and was shocked at Zoro being able to do so, cutting requires barrier haki, the prerequisite to use internal destruction, do you seriously not know this stuff? If not I can advise chapters to reread, but this isn't even debatable so don't bother replying if you aren't willing to learn.

Being able to do internal damage through indirect or alternate means is not the same as ryuo internal destruction.
Rayleigh is the only character on that list with ryuo internal destruction.

CoC clashes are not the same as using advanced conquerors either, and that should be self evident, again don't bother replying if you expect me to debate you on that point, very distinct in effect.
 

Le Fishe D. Tomdou

My pronouns are Fish/Yum
#44
Killer can't CUT kaido and was shocked at Zoro being able to do so, cutting requires barrier haki, the prerequisite to use internal destruction, do you seriously not know this stuff? If not I can advise chapters to reread, but this isn't even debatable so don't bother replying if you aren't willing to learn.
How this relevant to what Don Le Fishe said? :choppawhat:

Being able to do internal damage through indirect or alternate means is not the same as ryuo internal destruction.
Rayleigh is the only character on that list with ryuo internal destruction.
Literally what the diffrence if it get the same resulte?

CoC clashes are not the same as using advanced conquerors either, and that should be self evident, again don't bother replying if you expect me to debate you on that point, very distinct in effect.
"Advanced" my fish ass if their CoC clash than they used it in their attacks even if they weren't aware.

Don Le Fishe see you have hard time coping your headcanons are nothing but false hype,it's so sad... :josad:🐟🥺🐟
 
#46
Literally what the diffrence if it get the same resulte?
Rokuougan and Kama sonic are both high lead time techniques with specific functions, adv CoC can be added to any punch or kick Luffy wants, and is more potent.
Reject dials are almost child's toys at this point in the story to the point that Usopp doesn't even bother to use, plus the obvious downside of causing reverse damage to yourself.
Red hawk is fire damage and can be stacked with ryuo, and was through red roc.

Hyo showed the difference in a mental diagram between barrier haki and internal destruction.
Practically speaking, barrier is needed to overcome scales to do damage at all, internal destruction increases AP and surprise surprise the amount of destruction caused internally, you can't use barrier to destroy exploding chains, it would be too slow and clumsy.
 

Le Fishe D. Tomdou

My pronouns are Fish/Yum
#47
Rokuougan and Kama sonic are both high lead time techniques with specific functions, adv CoC can be added to any punch or kick Luffy wants, and is more potent.
Reject dials are almost child's toys at this point in the story to the point that Usopp doesn't even bother to use, plus the obvious downside of causing reverse damage to yourself.
Red hawk is fire damage and can be stacked with ryuo, and was through red roc.

Hyo showed the difference in a mental diagram between barrier haki and internal destruction.
Practically speaking, barrier is needed to overcome scales to do damage at all, internal destruction increases AP and surprise surprise the amount of destruction caused internally, you can't use barrier to destroy exploding chains, it would be too slow and clumsy.
Rokuougan and Kama sonic are both high lead time techniques with specific functions, adv CoC can be added to any punch or kick Luffy wants, and is more potent.
Reject dials are almost child's toys at this point in the story to the point that Usopp doesn't even bother to use, plus the obvious downside of causing reverse damage to yourself.
Red hawk is fire damage and can be stacked with ryuo, and was through red roc.

Hyo showed the difference in a mental diagram between barrier haki and internal destruction.
Practically speaking, barrier is needed to overcome scales to do damage at all, internal destruction increases AP and surprise surprise the amount of destruction caused internally, you can't use barrier to destroy exploding chains, it would be too slow and clumsy.
:okay:
Believe whatever you want dude.
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Rokuougan and Kama sonic are both high lead time techniques with specific functions, adv CoC can be added to any punch or kick Luffy wants, and is more potent.
Reject dials are almost child's toys at this point in the story to the point that Usopp doesn't even bother to use, plus the obvious downside of causing reverse damage to yourself.
Red hawk is fire damage and can be stacked with ryuo, and was through red roc.

Hyo showed the difference in a mental diagram between barrier haki and internal destruction.
Practically speaking, barrier is needed to overcome scales to do damage at all, internal destruction increases AP and surprise surprise the amount of destruction caused internally, you can't use barrier to destroy exploding chains, it would be too slow and clumsy.
Rokuougan and Kama sonic are both high lead time techniques with specific functions, adv CoC can be added to any punch or kick Luffy wants, and is more potent.
Reject dials are almost child's toys at this point in the story to the point that Usopp doesn't even bother to use, plus the obvious downside of causing reverse damage to yourself.
Red hawk is fire damage and can be stacked with ryuo, and was through red roc.

Hyo showed the difference in a mental diagram between barrier haki and internal destruction.
Practically speaking, barrier is needed to overcome scales to do damage at all, internal destruction increases AP and surprise surprise the amount of destruction caused internally, you can't use barrier to destroy exploding chains, it would be too slow and clumsy.
:okay:
Believe whatever you want dude.
 
#48
Rayleigh left Luffy 6 months by himself. Luffy learning Adv techniques in a day, 2 weeks and a beating. Rayleigh could have stayed at least 1 month more and teaching him all that.

In Rayleigh defense... He had an incredible hot woman waiting for him in a island that many remarkable people are passing by... He had to set territory.
 
#49
You literally can't even damage Kaido using traditional punches or slashes without barrier haki.
Luffy literally couldn't damage Katakuri without Future Sight, and Oda has barely made use of it after that.

Don't overrate skills because they're super important for 1 specific character. He'll beat Kaido and Oda will go back to barely mentioning them.
 
#50
No it’s not. Rayleigh knows what he is talking about. Luffy wouldn’t be this strong with Ryou and Haki in general had he not focus on perfecting the basics.He also told him to master all three not jsut one but all forms of Haki which is foreshadowing of advanced forms and Rayleigh was definitely using Ryou and FS at least in front of him the whole two years so it’s not PIS. This is the same question as saying why did the come out with Ryou or whatever. Well it wouldn’t be as strong as it is right now. Rayleigh pretty much told him you can’t cheat the process. People say he is abd for having Luffy coming out with dangerous power ups but Rayleigh knows how it gets done. If Luffy had learn Ryou the Haki he pulls out wouldn’t be as strong, and he would lack forms to deal with many type of opponents two things Aoro has problems with using his max Haki and obviously he doesn’t have flying forms and speed forms. Oda can afford this with Zoro and Sanji can because Oda can power them up with magical an tools and weapons+ fights. Luffy can only be powered up with fights and awakening but obviously Rayleigh couldn’t teach him that Luffy didn’t even know what that was and that’s a different ballgame really. Luffy had to power his DF his own creative ways. Snakeman must have taken a long time to come up with especially when that was his anti FS weapon.
 
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