Questions & Mysteries Is it the real Oden or is it a fake? And if it's a fake then who is it?
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The main problem I have with any teory that claims that he is Oden from the past is the swords. Why is he using two normal swords instead of two renown blades? And you can't say anything to counter it, if it is after he gave the swords that means it was moments before the torture which is unrealistic considering that Kaido wouldn't let anyone get close enough to perform such an action.
It either Oden surived the execution and got sent to the future, or it's someone else. It can't be some reversed Endgame shit since
1. Why the hell would ODen leave behind Enma and Ame Habakiri
2. Toki specifically told the Scabbards AFTER Oden execution that one can't travel to the past. Remember, this is after the Endgame theory has happened, so either Toki is dumb af and has a short memory, or she just lied to the Scabbards, or Oda just retconned the hell out of the very rule that he established in the same arc.
1. Why the hell would ODen leave behind Enma and Ame Habakiri
2. Toki specifically told the Scabbards AFTER Oden execution that one can't travel to the past. Remember, this is after the Endgame theory has happened, so either Toki is dumb af and has a short memory, or she just lied to the Scabbards, or Oda just retconned the hell out of the very rule that he established in the same arc.
For now there are Two Confirmed Facts imo:
1. Oden wasn't the one who Healed Scabbards, it's a Different Person which means Oden isn't Alone
2. The 2nd Person was Crying even though Scabbards were Unconscious so they were Real Tears & not Pretending
This means that Oden & that 2nd Person are truly Allies of Scabbards & not Deceiving them
So who is 2nd Person?
Judging by their Silhouette, they are Normal Sized Human & don't have Long Head & also have Long Hair near their Ears
Also Kawamatsu said he caught a Glimpse of who it was but he considered it Impossible
From this we conclude that 2nd Person is either Hiyori or Toki
So this Oden is someone who is accompanying either Hiyori or Toki
And there are only Two Possibilities: Real Oden or Onimaru (The Fox)
Also seeing how Kawamatsu deemed what he saw Impossible, further proves that it was truly either Hiyori or Toki which could be the reason Oda chose Kawamatsu specifically to say that Phrase
And if it's Toki, then this Oden can only be Real Oden & to be honest, Onimaru have no business appearing as Oden, we actually never saw him meet Oden too so how was he able to Perfectly Mimic him?
Not to mention that Oden before being Executed, told Kaido that he doesn't want to Die there, it wasn't his Time yet
From all these Hints, it seems that The Two helping Scabbards are indeed Toki & Real Oden
But how did Oden survive?
For starters, this is 39 Year Old Oden, he isn't 59 obviously so he clearly Traveled in Time but when did he have Time to?
We know that Toki can't Send People to the Past so the Option that says "Oden once Traveled to the Future & then got Back" cannot be True & it's obvious why Oda would add such Rule, because it would Complicate the Timeline & create Plot Holes & Paradoxes
But what if Toki Awakened her DF & she is able to completely Create a Copy of Someone in the Future
Just like Doffy who instead of "Creating Strings" he became able to Turn Things into Strings when using "Awakening"
Maybe Toki instead of "Sending People to Future" she becomes able to "Re-Create them in the Future"
So this is Oden 2.0 who appeared in the Future in case Oden 1.0 is Defeated & maybe he only Lives same as Oden 1.0
For example, let's say Toki used her Awakening & Created Oden 2.0 in the Future 1 Day before Oden Died at his Execution
This means Oden 2.0 & Oden 1.0 are existing Simultaneously in Past & Future & when Oden 1.0 Dies, so does Oden 2.0
In this example, that would mean this New Oden have 1 Day to live & he will disappear
And the one who Healed Scabbards can indeed be Toki who is Alive or Hiyori who was informed of this Plan by Toki when they were Trapped in the Burning Castle & that's why Hiyori chose to wait in Ringo & not meet Scabbards, because she was waiting for her Father to arrive so that she accompanies him & get him Updated on everything that happened
1. Oden wasn't the one who Healed Scabbards, it's a Different Person which means Oden isn't Alone
2. The 2nd Person was Crying even though Scabbards were Unconscious so they were Real Tears & not Pretending
This means that Oden & that 2nd Person are truly Allies of Scabbards & not Deceiving them
So who is 2nd Person?
Judging by their Silhouette, they are Normal Sized Human & don't have Long Head & also have Long Hair near their Ears
Also Kawamatsu said he caught a Glimpse of who it was but he considered it Impossible
From this we conclude that 2nd Person is either Hiyori or Toki
So this Oden is someone who is accompanying either Hiyori or Toki
And there are only Two Possibilities: Real Oden or Onimaru (The Fox)
Also seeing how Kawamatsu deemed what he saw Impossible, further proves that it was truly either Hiyori or Toki which could be the reason Oda chose Kawamatsu specifically to say that Phrase
And if it's Toki, then this Oden can only be Real Oden & to be honest, Onimaru have no business appearing as Oden, we actually never saw him meet Oden too so how was he able to Perfectly Mimic him?
Not to mention that Oden before being Executed, told Kaido that he doesn't want to Die there, it wasn't his Time yet
From all these Hints, it seems that The Two helping Scabbards are indeed Toki & Real Oden
But how did Oden survive?
For starters, this is 39 Year Old Oden, he isn't 59 obviously so he clearly Traveled in Time but when did he have Time to?
We know that Toki can't Send People to the Past so the Option that says "Oden once Traveled to the Future & then got Back" cannot be True & it's obvious why Oda would add such Rule, because it would Complicate the Timeline & create Plot Holes & Paradoxes
But what if Toki Awakened her DF & she is able to completely Create a Copy of Someone in the Future
Just like Doffy who instead of "Creating Strings" he became able to Turn Things into Strings when using "Awakening"
Maybe Toki instead of "Sending People to Future" she becomes able to "Re-Create them in the Future"
So this is Oden 2.0 who appeared in the Future in case Oden 1.0 is Defeated & maybe he only Lives same as Oden 1.0
For example, let's say Toki used her Awakening & Created Oden 2.0 in the Future 1 Day before Oden Died at his Execution
This means Oden 2.0 & Oden 1.0 are existing Simultaneously in Past & Future & when Oden 1.0 Dies, so does Oden 2.0
In this example, that would mean this New Oden have 1 Day to live & he will disappear
And the one who Healed Scabbards can indeed be Toki who is Alive or Hiyori who was informed of this Plan by Toki when they were Trapped in the Burning Castle & that's why Hiyori chose to wait in Ringo & not meet Scabbards, because she was waiting for her Father to arrive so that she accompanies him & get him Updated on everything that happened
It is indeed a decent theory, however, if oden survived being burnt alive he should get his swords back and he would probably have some serious scars on his legs, considering that he stayed for one hour in the boiling pot. Plus, why is he smiling then? He looks so careless when it is going quite bad.
Also, I dislike time travel so much because it makes a lot of plot holes and nonsense, and having like you call Oden1.0 and 2.0 would fuck up a little the story. Adding time travel is a bad idea... That's why I dislike adding time travel in mangas or shows where it doesn't belong.
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Also, I dislike time travel so much because it makes a lot of plot holes and nonsense, and having like you call Oden1.0 and 2.0 would fuck up a little the story. Adding time travel is a bad idea... That's why I dislike adding time travel in mangas or shows where it doesn't belong.
Oden is travel to the future is possible(if he really alive)...but its impossible to travel back to past as toki time df cannot turn back to past....thats the weakness of that theory...
Coz in manga said its not possible to travel to past unless kinemon is lying or oda had retconned it... the real problem of time travel shinenigan is travel to past thing as it can create new parallel world or create some time paradox or some shit as you can see in stein gate or endgame
Its impossible coz we literallu see oden died in boiled oil and we need toki present there to make time travel happen but she wasnt there...unless that oden in hour legend is not actually oden but someone else impersonate him but again its very hard to do that
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Coz in manga said its not possible to travel to past unless kinemon is lying or oda had retconned it... the real problem of time travel shinenigan is travel to past thing as it can create new parallel world or create some time paradox or some shit as you can see in stein gate or endgame
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Its impossible coz we literallu see oden died in boiled oil and we need toki present there to make time travel happen but she wasnt there...unless that oden in hour legend is not actually oden but someone else impersonate him but again its very hard to do that
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In my Theory, i'm saying that there are Two Odens, think of it like Doflamingo's Clone but instead of being made of Strings, Toki re-created Oden in the Future using her Time DF
So while Oden 1.0 is in the Past sometime before he Died, Waiting for his Execution
Second Oden is in the Future helping in the Raid & witnessing his Dream come True
That is why Oda chose to give some time for Oden between his Defeat & Execution
And that is why this Future Oden doesn't have his Swords, that's because Toki uses her Powers on him after he gave her his Swords
For better Explanation, here is Chain of Events:
20 Years Ago (Three Days before Oden's Execution) --- Oden attacked Kaido & Beasts Pirates alongside Scabbards
20 Years Ago (One Day before Oden's Execution) --- Oden was Imprisoned, he meets Toki, gives her his Swords & she uses Her Awakened Powers to re-create him in the Future
Current Time (One Day before Raid) --- Oden appears & meets Hiyori or Toki (If she is still Alive) & she updates him on what happened for past 20 Years
20 Years Ago (Day of Execution) --- First Oden is getting Executed & have few Hours left to Live while Second Oden is in Present Day Time joining the Raid & meeting Scabbards as we saw in last Chapter
This Second Oden is only Temporary
So while Oden 1.0 is in the Past sometime before he Died, Waiting for his Execution
Second Oden is in the Future helping in the Raid & witnessing his Dream come True
That is why Oda chose to give some time for Oden between his Defeat & Execution
And that is why this Future Oden doesn't have his Swords, that's because Toki uses her Powers on him after he gave her his Swords
For better Explanation, here is Chain of Events:
20 Years Ago (Three Days before Oden's Execution) --- Oden attacked Kaido & Beasts Pirates alongside Scabbards
20 Years Ago (One Day before Oden's Execution) --- Oden was Imprisoned, he meets Toki, gives her his Swords & she uses Her Awakened Powers to re-create him in the Future
Current Time (One Day before Raid) --- Oden appears & meets Hiyori or Toki (If she is still Alive) & she updates him on what happened for past 20 Years
20 Years Ago (Day of Execution) --- First Oden is getting Executed & have few Hours left to Live while Second Oden is in Present Day Time joining the Raid & meeting Scabbards as we saw in last Chapter
This Second Oden is only Temporary
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