Powers & Abilities Is Kaido TOO special?

Yes or no?

  • Yes

    Votes: 9 50.0%
  • No

    Votes: 9 50.0%

  • Total voters
    18
#1
I was one of the supporters of Advanced Armament is all you need to beat Kaido simply because that meant you can train hard enough to one day beat this man.

But Nope. Apparently you have to first of all be born with Conqueror’s haki and then learn advanced conqueror’s haki, before you can do shit to this man

The reason This

or this


The reason the above attacks arent actually fuckin up kaido despite being from some of the most proficuent Ryuo users in the story isnt because the scabbards arent trying hard enough, its because THEY LITERALLY WERE NOT BORN TO BE ABLE TO DO THIS

This is kind of fucked up. Their entire capacity to beat Kaido was determined at birth.

Kaido is saying very specific words here. “TOO SHALLOW”


The same words Luffy, arguably as good a Ryuo user as the scabbards, says about his attacks


Hence explaining why even though Enma is called a big deal for forcing out excessive Ryuo (Advanced Armament) making Zoro damage Kaido



NONE of this mattered. Kaido healed that shit up. The Excess Ryuo, was completely unimportant from Zoro. Zoro just had to have been BORN able to cut this man same way Oden was or else their mastery of Ryuo would’ve been as shallow as the scabbards




Kaido does say even among those born capable of this, you have to be particularly strong even on that standard (so Katakuri, Chinjao, Doffy, boa, and Kid arent counted)


So i suppose some amount of personal sttength is required here but its still based on literally being BORN able to even beat this man.

Its actually ridiculous. No other character in One piece as far as we know requires a specific power to be born into his enemy for them to be beaten.

Oda did write himself into a corner with Kaido supposedly being King of 1v1s and having one scar ever but i dont think this is the solution to that corner.
 
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#2
The problem is that these Extremely Rare Few Individuals are those who have Ability to Kill him, but it still doesn't guarantee they can Defeat him in a fair 1 v 1 so make that List even Shorter!

And the Guy stands atop all Species as being a Huge Mythical Dragon and is so far Most Versatile Character in One Piece when it comes to causing Disasters. Not to mention that He himself is also an Adv CoC & others cannot Tank his Attacks the same way he does

So yes, Kaido is clearly & without doubt "Strongest Creature" in One Piece
Especially since he can Roam in Sky, Land & Sea & not just Land like most Characters or Two like Fishmen & Flying Characters
He is clearly on Top of Food Chain Stats Wise

But Defeat/Victory Wise, he definitely have lot Competitors & those on his Level
 
#3
Luffy did way more damage than scabbards, that's why Kaido started to dodge him, so no, it's a matter of having enough AP.
And now with Adv CoC his AP is even greater and much more efficient for damaging Kaido, that's all.

He is "special" if you want, because he is a top tier, and the first tier in this league, above Admirals. When he was mid tier let's say, current Luffy with Adv CoA would have oneshoted him. But since he is a top tier now, only top tiers attacks will be enough to put him down and to be a top tier in OP world, you need either a strong DF or Adv CoC (aside from Prime Garp and Chinjao who are anomalies) since people in OP world have a limit strength growth.

Probably this is because of his regeneration rate capacity.
Let's say he heals himself with a 5 hp/sec.
Luffy does 4 hp/sec damage with Adv CoA -> Kaido can heal from it but still will be pretty injured at this pace in the end.
With Adv CoC is 6 hp/sec -> Luffy will win eventually if he can keep punching for enough time and clearing Kaido's health bar to zero.
 

nik87

Kitetsu Wanker
#4
I was one of the supporters of Advanced Armament is all you need to beat Kaido simply because that meant you can train hard enough to one day beat this man.

But Nope. Apparently you have to first of all be born with Conqueror’s haki and then learn advanced conqueror’s haki, before you can do shit to this man

The reason This

or this


The reason the above attacks arent actually fuckin up kaido despite being from some of the most proficuent Ryuo users in the story isnt because the scabbards arent trying hard enough, its because THEY LITERALLY WERE NOT BORN TO BE ABLE TO DO THIS

This is kind of fucked up. Their entire capacity to beat Kaido was determined at birth.

Kaido is saying very specific words here. “TOO SHALLOW”


The same words Luffy, arguably as good a Ryuo user as the scabbards, says about his attacks


Hence explaining why even though Enma is called a big deal for forcing out excessive Ryuo (Advanced Armament) making Zoro damage Kaido



NONE of this mattered. Kaido healed that shit up. The Excess Ryuo, was completely unimportant from Zoro. Zoro just had to have been BORN able to cut this man same way Oden was or else their mastery of Ryuo would’ve been as shallow as the scabbards




Kaido does say even among those born capable of this, you have to be particularly strong even on that standard (so Katakuri, Chinjao, Doffy, boa, and Kid arent counted)


So i suppose some amount of personal sttength is required here but its still based on literally being BORN able to even beat this man.

Its actually ridiculous. No other character in One piece as far as we know requires a specific power to be born into his enemy for them to be beaten.

Oda did write himself into a corner with Kaido supposedly being King of 1v1s and having one scar ever but i dont think this is the solution to that corner.
I dont think so. CoC is just an amplifier for attacks, nothing more.
Kaido's body is simply special, just like all other opponents who could not match Zoro in combat, they received special bodies.
Kaido is Mr1/zOars/PX-4 of the post-TS. None of them were able to match Zoro in combat so the solution was a tough body.
Zoro ends up superior but doesnt win because their special bodies can deal with Zoro's attacks.

It matters not if you can enhance your attacks with CoC, if they are too weak, nothing will come of it.
I dont think CoC is required to beat Kaido, just incredibly powerful attacks.
Hiryu Kaen seems to be just that. Kaido looked like his life flashed before his eyes in that moment.
Zoro wasnt overflowing his haki during Asura like he was during Hiryu Kaen, I guess he used it all up versus Hakai.
 
#5
I was one of the supporters of Advanced Armament is all you need to beat Kaido simply because that meant you can train hard enough to one day beat this man.

But Nope. Apparently you have to first of all be born with Conqueror’s haki and then learn advanced conqueror’s haki, before you can do shit to this man

The reason This

or this


The reason the above attacks arent actually fuckin up kaido despite being from some of the most proficuent Ryuo users in the story isnt because the scabbards arent trying hard enough, its because THEY LITERALLY WERE NOT BORN TO BE ABLE TO DO THIS

This is kind of fucked up. Their entire capacity to beat Kaido was determined at birth.

Kaido is saying very specific words here. “TOO SHALLOW”


The same words Luffy, arguably as good a Ryuo user as the scabbards, says about his attacks


Hence explaining why even though Enma is called a big deal for forcing out excessive Ryuo (Advanced Armament) making Zoro damage Kaido



NONE of this mattered. Kaido healed that shit up. The Excess Ryuo, was completely unimportant from Zoro. Zoro just had to have been BORN able to cut this man same way Oden was or else their mastery of Ryuo would’ve been as shallow as the scabbards




Kaido does say even among those born capable of this, you have to be particularly strong even on that standard (so Katakuri, Chinjao, Doffy, boa, and Kid arent counted)


So i suppose some amount of personal sttength is required here but its still based on literally being BORN able to even beat this man.

Its actually ridiculous. No other character in One piece as far as we know requires a specific power to be born into his enemy for them to be beaten.

Oda did write himself into a corner with Kaido supposedly being King of 1v1s and having one scar ever but i dont think this is the solution to that corner.
The fact that you concede that simply having COC doesn't make you able to actually defeat Kaido, the main point of your argument becomes moot. No character was born being able to defeat him... It doesn't work that way
 
#11
Luffy is the only man to step on Wano soil since WB to have advanced ryuo internal destruction bubbles.
Oden died in chains, and his subordinates are weaker combined than he was alone.
The "not touching" phenomenon is a combo of internal destruction + CoC, which only Roger,WB and Luffy have shown on panel.
Kaido doesn't have the ryuo, and Oden and his crew were lacking in both internal destruction ryuo and CoC areas.
 
#14
kaido himself said if you have power y
That is not true. Kaido has never said this
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internal destruction ryuo and CoC areas.
@WesMidnight
Then how did Oden and Zoro cut scar kaido?
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would have done far more than Asura did.
@nik87
It would not because only CoC cant be healed... Kaido would’ve healed it...
That attack would still be “TOO SHALLOW” as both Kaido and Luffy have said
 
#16
He said it with the scabbards
Nope. At no point did he give specific conditions to scar him. He simply said the scabbards are too weak to scar him and now in this chapter he said only the strong among Conqueror’s users can manage this Advaced CoC

Kaido did not tell the scabbards that they needed bigger attacks to scar him. You are making that up
 
#18
Nope. At no point did he give specific conditions to scar him. He simply said the scabbards are too weak to scar him and now in this chapter he said only the strong among Conqueror’s users can manage this Advaced CoC

Kaido did not tell the scabbards that they needed bigger attacks to scar him. You are making that up

CoC is not needed for Kaido, unless you're saying mihawk can't hurt him and shanks can
 
#19

CoC is not needed for Kaido, unless you're saying mihawk can't hurt him and shanks can
CoC IS POWER. Thats why he said the strongest of the strong are the omes who use this special CoC. Because this CoC is POWER.

Remember? The ryuo is too shallow WITHOUT CoC... There is NO RYUO without CoC that can go deep enough to scar this man

So yes, if Mihawk doesnt have CoC, he wont be able to do this
 
#20
So yes, if Mihawk doesnt have CoC, he wont be able to do this
Yes, CoC ignores his regen but if you put pressure on him just severe his breathing you don't need CoC for that
Even Kizaru wanted to solo him
Big mom can kill kaido she has no AcoC
But you know what let's see plenty of things in this verse ignore durability
 
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