Questions & Mysteries Is Kaidou the character with the most on-screen kills?
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Actually when looking back the only character that Kaido killed on screen was in a flashback when he killed Oden.
And he didn't kill Oden through a fight, but simply shot him in the head while Oden himself was already cuffed and being boiled alive.
That isn't impressive at all.
Also as @Owl Ki mentioned, we don't even know if Kaido himself actually killed Higurashi because Kaido only says "I had her killed."
This could still mean that he ordered his subordinates to kill Higurashi, but even if Kaido did kill her, again it's not impressive because Higurashi is not some strong fighter, she was a 85 year old hag.
The three Daimyo Kaido killed was not only in a flashback but it was off screen.
The only other character we thought Kaido killed on screen was Guernika, and well guess what?
Not only did he survive the attack but still had enough strength to survive a bit more longer, take a picture of Gear 5 Luffy and then send it to the Marines.
It's only after that he finally died, and his death wasn't even confirmed until the vivre cards.
And he didn't kill Oden through a fight, but simply shot him in the head while Oden himself was already cuffed and being boiled alive.
That isn't impressive at all.
Also as @Owl Ki mentioned, we don't even know if Kaido himself actually killed Higurashi because Kaido only says "I had her killed."
This could still mean that he ordered his subordinates to kill Higurashi, but even if Kaido did kill her, again it's not impressive because Higurashi is not some strong fighter, she was a 85 year old hag.
The three Daimyo Kaido killed was not only in a flashback but it was off screen.
The only other character we thought Kaido killed on screen was Guernika, and well guess what?
Not only did he survive the attack but still had enough strength to survive a bit more longer, take a picture of Gear 5 Luffy and then send it to the Marines.
It's only after that he finally died, and his death wasn't even confirmed until the vivre cards.
That blow was like an explosion and we saw both the instant before it hit and the explosion from afar. We don't need to see the body blown up from up close for it to be on-screen.
We could have seen the corpse, but not seeing it fits with it being absolutely obliterated/mangled by wha resembled an explosion. The angriest we have ever seen Kaido.
This is false, and it ignores the only point I made in my comment.
It's true that there is a difference between seeing a dead body or not, however... when Guernica died, everyone assumed he was dead, it wasn't a polarizing topic. It became polarized when a character in a later chapter said Guernica did something after that scene, implying he survived.
If we had a panel of Marco talking about Ace doing something after Marineford, we would also think Ace was somehow alive.
True, Oda is a bitch.
But just like Pound, there were also Kin'emon, Conis' father, Saul, to name a few, who were also on-screen deaths until they were confirmed alive. Drake also seems to be, and everyone expects Big Mom and Kaido to be alive as a consequence of this all.
They are either on-screen deaths or on-screen fakeouts, but they are on-screen as they happen on panel.
We could have seen the corpse, but not seeing it fits with it being absolutely obliterated/mangled by wha resembled an explosion. The angriest we have ever seen Kaido.
This is false, and it ignores the only point I made in my comment.
It's true that there is a difference between seeing a dead body or not, however... when Guernica died, everyone assumed he was dead, it wasn't a polarizing topic. It became polarized when a character in a later chapter said Guernica did something after that scene, implying he survived.
If we had a panel of Marco talking about Ace doing something after Marineford, we would also think Ace was somehow alive.
True, Oda is a bitch.
But just like Pound, there were also Kin'emon, Conis' father, Saul, to name a few, who were also on-screen deaths until they were confirmed alive. Drake also seems to be, and everyone expects Big Mom and Kaido to be alive as a consequence of this all.
They are either on-screen deaths or on-screen fakeouts, but they are on-screen as they happen on panel.
You're entire argument is that a cut away is on-screen. It isn't, that is why it is called a cut away.
On-screen means on, the, screen. As in you, the reader, actually clearly observed the event in question happening. Not jumping away 10000 feet away so you can't see anything.
If there was a shop's camera feed that showed the moment before a robbery and the aftermath of the robbery but not the robbery itself, would a person say that they caught the robbery on-screen? No, of course they wouldn't, that would be dumb.
Anything less than witnessing the weapon pierce flesh followed by seeing a clearly dead body is off screen, especially in a series like this where anything that doesn't result in an immediately observable corpse means the character has an 80% chance of coming back.
On-screen means on, the, screen. As in you, the reader, actually clearly observed the event in question happening. Not jumping away 10000 feet away so you can't see anything.
If there was a shop's camera feed that showed the moment before a robbery and the aftermath of the robbery but not the robbery itself, would a person say that they caught the robbery on-screen? No, of course they wouldn't, that would be dumb.
Anything less than witnessing the weapon pierce flesh followed by seeing a clearly dead body is off screen, especially in a series like this where anything that doesn't result in an immediately observable corpse means the character has an 80% chance of coming back.
So you would say we didn't see Guernica die in the manga?
If a drone filmed a soldier bent over a grenade and then zoomed out a millisecond before it exploded and it only captured the explosion but not the soldier itself being torn apart and calcined, would a person say the drone didn't film the death of the soldier on screen? No, they wouldn't, that would be dumb.
Oda being a bitch and there being a made-up percentage chance of the character coming back is not an argument towards whether if if happened on screen or off screen. I gave you examples, Kin'emon or Saul, of people who even you could have considered died on-screen but still came back. Thus, whether they come back or not is inconsequential to the topic.
You were comparing it to how people reacted to Ace's death, I was correcting you on that, people reacted similarly (emotional investment aside) until something suggested later on that Guernica survived.
If a drone filmed a soldier bent over a grenade and then zoomed out a millisecond before it exploded and it only captured the explosion but not the soldier itself being torn apart and calcined, would a person say the drone didn't film the death of the soldier on screen? No, they wouldn't, that would be dumb.
Oda being a bitch and there being a made-up percentage chance of the character coming back is not an argument towards whether if if happened on screen or off screen. I gave you examples, Kin'emon or Saul, of people who even you could have considered died on-screen but still came back. Thus, whether they come back or not is inconsequential to the topic.
You were comparing it to how people reacted to Ace's death, I was correcting you on that, people reacted similarly (emotional investment aside) until something suggested later on that Guernica survived.
Oh, yeah.
Pell is another great example of how it doesn't matter how onscreen a death is for Oda to later change his mind. It clearly happened, he had a "death scene" that culminated in an explosion.
As I think I said in some of those comments: the later reveal just shifts from an onscreen death to an onscreen fakeout.
This whole discussion only exists because of factoring in that Oda is a bitch, but it wouldn't be such a discussion in a normal movie and it shouldn't be factored in. It feels similar to how whether a character is a swordsman or not is an entirely different discussion in One Piece than in any other media.
Pell is another great example of how it doesn't matter how onscreen a death is for Oda to later change his mind. It clearly happened, he had a "death scene" that culminated in an explosion.
As I think I said in some of those comments: the later reveal just shifts from an onscreen death to an onscreen fakeout.
This whole discussion only exists because of factoring in that Oda is a bitch, but it wouldn't be such a discussion in a normal movie and it shouldn't be factored in. It feels similar to how whether a character is a swordsman or not is an entirely different discussion in One Piece than in any other media.
Lmfao Mr.Go literally asked Enraged Angry Drunk Kaidou to kill him, didn't defend himself at all. Not to mention he took a Garp lvl stab ontop of explosive damage before he even did all that.
Despite all that he still managed to stay conscious for a picture of G5 which took place minutes later.
This is more of a feat for Guernica not Kaidou.
Despite all that he still managed to stay conscious for a picture of G5 which took place minutes later.
This is more of a feat for Guernica not Kaidou.
Kaido killed him with a no name attack. Who did Kizaru killed? Fodder vegapunk? 
He still survived, took a picture of Gear 5 Luffy, and then sent that picture to the Marines.
After all of that he finally died.
So all that hype you are giving to Kaido for killing Guernika with a no name attack, is all for nothing when the guy was able to survive a bit more longer.
Also Guernika accepted his fate, so Kaido pretty much killed someone who didn't even fight back and let himself get hit.
Hey at least we saw Kizaru kill Vegapunk on screen and got his death confirmed in the main story.
Guernika's death on the other hand was debatable and at the end he died off screen, and his death wasn't even confirmed until his vivre card came out.
Wtf are you talking about? It's not like Guernika immediately died from that one attack from Kaido.
He still survived, took a picture of Gear 5 Luffy, and then sent that picture to the Marines.
After all of that he finally died.
So all that hype you are giving to Kaido for killing Guernika with a no name attack, is all for nothing when the guy was able to survive a bit more longer.
Also Guernika accepted his fate, so Kaido pretty much killed someone who didn't even fight back and let himself get hit.
Hey at least we saw Kizaru kill Vegapunk on screen and got his death confirmed in the main story.
Guernika's death on the other hand was debatable and at the end he died off screen, and his death wasn't even confirmed until his vivre card came out.
He still survived, took a picture of Gear 5 Luffy, and then sent that picture to the Marines.
After all of that he finally died.
So all that hype you are giving to Kaido for killing Guernika with a no name attack, is all for nothing when the guy was able to survive a bit more longer.
Also Guernika accepted his fate, so Kaido pretty much killed someone who didn't even fight back and let himself get hit.
Hey at least we saw Kizaru kill Vegapunk on screen and got his death confirmed in the main story.
Guernika's death on the other hand was debatable and at the end he died off screen, and his death wasn't even confirmed until his vivre card came out.
