Powers & Abilities Is Law and the Ope Ope no Mi fair game in the WSS competition?
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but maybe law did some off-screen training and does have the growth of luffy and zoro?
I love the strawmans used here. I clearly said Law is a swordsman but asked if it would be fair game if a medicore swordsman (which Law is outside of his room) would be massively powered up by a DF which is separate from his swordsmanship.
People answer: "Law is still a swordsman"
People answer: "Law is still a swordsman"
i love the generalization used here. (also, there are still people here arguing against law being a swordsman, tbf)
It's very simple, I will explain it again since you seemingly are unable to read.
Outside of his room, Law is mediocre at best, doing mostly stalling. He couldn't even overpower Doflamingo's clone outside of his room. The vast majority of his power comes from his DF, when he is within his room. And at this point it doesn't matter whether he can do it with his bare hand or needs a sharp tool like a sword, a knife or scalpel. It's his DF that generates the abilities. And his DF is not simply powering up his swordsmanship (like a Zoan would power up your physical abilities), the abilities are not related to swordsmanship at all. It's simply hax. If you give Luffy the Ope Ope no Mi and let him master it, he will bust a mountain and cut Vergo into pieces as well with a sword.
It's really easy to understand.
We have a scale. Law outside of his room being unable to overpower Doflamingo's clone, being mostly on the defensive. Show me his power and skills outside of his room, will you?
Outside of his room, Law is mediocre at best, doing mostly stalling. He couldn't even overpower Doflamingo's clone outside of his room. The vast majority of his power comes from his DF, when he is within his room. And at this point it doesn't matter whether he can do it with his bare hand or needs a sharp tool like a sword, a knife or scalpel. It's his DF that generates the abilities. And his DF is not simply powering up his swordsmanship (like a Zoan would power up your physical abilities), the abilities are not related to swordsmanship at all. It's simply hax. If you give Luffy the Ope Ope no Mi and let him master it, he will bust a mountain and cut Vergo into pieces as well with a sword.
It's really easy to understand.
We have a scale. Law outside of his room being unable to overpower Doflamingo's clone, being mostly on the defensive. Show me his power and skills outside of his room, will you?
I'm attempting to understand what Pure Swordsman even means, you either are one or not. The fact you have several styles at your disposal doesn't overshadow the fact you are still one, if you are.
Law should be one in that there's fundamentally no reason why he would languish swordsmanship wise, even if carrying a sword was not enough to be labeled as swordsmen.
Law should be one in that there's fundamentally no reason why he would languish swordsmanship wise, even if carrying a sword was not enough to be labeled as swordsmen.
@comrade
still no answer yet? i want to know at what degree could Law perform without his df ability, and if he could perform cutting ability without a sword than his sword is nothing but a mere ornament that could only defend himself, so logically shield fits more than a sword since it has greater defence than a sword, yet Law decided to take a sword instead
still no answer yet? i want to know at what degree could Law perform without his df ability, and if he could perform cutting ability without a sword than his sword is nothing but a mere ornament that could only defend himself, so logically shield fits more than a sword since it has greater defence than a sword, yet Law decided to take a sword instead
It's not about Law having a DF, it is about Law's devil fruit making up his power entirely, while his swordsmanship is just a weak sidepower outside of his room.
We don't ignore Fujitora. We can very well make a case for Fujitora and Kizaru as well. As I said, versatility doesn't exclude you from the WSS title. If Mihawk eats a DF, the WSS still applies to him, because his swordmanship is by far his strongest asset.
The thread isn't about pure swordsmen. Versatile swordsmen are also candidates for the WSS title. The question was, if swordsmanship is just a weak side power of yours as compared to a vastly superior DF ability, whether Oda would make it count.
@ShinmenTakezo yeah. It really makes no sense anymore.
I already answered all of that. Why would I repeat my self 100 times? I'm sorry.
We don't ignore Fujitora. We can very well make a case for Fujitora and Kizaru as well. As I said, versatility doesn't exclude you from the WSS title. If Mihawk eats a DF, the WSS still applies to him, because his swordmanship is by far his strongest asset.
The thread isn't about pure swordsmen. Versatile swordsmen are also candidates for the WSS title. The question was, if swordsmanship is just a weak side power of yours as compared to a vastly superior DF ability, whether Oda would make it count.
@ShinmenTakezo yeah. It really makes no sense anymore.
I already answered all of that. Why would I repeat my self 100 times? I'm sorry.
I asked you for a specific person Law scales to
let me ask more specific things then
Law fought directly in close quarters with Doffy’s main body on the bridge and was able to react and block and clashed Doffy with attacks
Laws main uses of his df on the bridge are Throwing the bridge pieces towards Doffy, teleporting Doffy to prevent him from killing the strawhats, trying to use Metz and launching a cut that cut the bridge up.
So when Law Blocked Doffy (Which is a swordsmanship skill) he did not use his DF, When he reacted Same thing, when he clashed same thing. These all require Laws basic skill speed and power which feed into Swordsmanship.
So let me ask, if Law can react to Doffy, how mediocre is his Swordsmanship? Like can Diamanté or Amande or Tashigi or Hyouzo react to attacks from Doffy? Can the above guys block attacks or Clash with Doffy?
Hell Doffy barely survived Metz which is just a regular fist lunge from Law. Get it? Law lunged his hand so fast that Doffy barely dodged it. Like Metz is dangerous because it’s almost a one shot, BUT Law’s hand has to be fast enough to do it. Law’s actual combat speed almost caught Doffy slipping
you seem to forget that Law’s df mostly just affects AoE and AP. This isn’t all that makes up swordsmanship. Like Zoro has high AP and AoE, but is that all we use to say Zoro is good swordsman.
let me ask more specific things then
Law fought directly in close quarters with Doffy’s main body on the bridge and was able to react and block and clashed Doffy with attacks
Laws main uses of his df on the bridge are Throwing the bridge pieces towards Doffy, teleporting Doffy to prevent him from killing the strawhats, trying to use Metz and launching a cut that cut the bridge up.
So when Law Blocked Doffy (Which is a swordsmanship skill) he did not use his DF, When he reacted Same thing, when he clashed same thing. These all require Laws basic skill speed and power which feed into Swordsmanship.
So let me ask, if Law can react to Doffy, how mediocre is his Swordsmanship? Like can Diamanté or Amande or Tashigi or Hyouzo react to attacks from Doffy? Can the above guys block attacks or Clash with Doffy?
Hell Doffy barely survived Metz which is just a regular fist lunge from Law. Get it? Law lunged his hand so fast that Doffy barely dodged it. Like Metz is dangerous because it’s almost a one shot, BUT Law’s hand has to be fast enough to do it. Law’s actual combat speed almost caught Doffy slipping
you seem to forget that Law’s df mostly just affects AoE and AP. This isn’t all that makes up swordsmanship. Like Zoro has high AP and AoE, but is that all we use to say Zoro is good swordsman.
@comrade
i asked "And you still have yet to answer my first question. You claimed that Law's ability is not sword related and his sword is mainly used to protect him right. Then shouldnt a shield fits more than a sword?"
and you answered "Because he fights at his best with a sword. 99% of the OP world would fight better with a weapon. And again it doesn't change the fact that amputate is a DF ability. It's not even a slash but separation of matter at a given trajectory. You are not hurt and can reassemble."
then i responded again "You said Law df negates durability so his sword has no attack power and can only be used in defence, so you still have yet to refute why didnt Law get a shield instead"
you're just looping yourself over and over again and you're saying "I already answered that"? lol
i asked "And you still have yet to answer my first question. You claimed that Law's ability is not sword related and his sword is mainly used to protect him right. Then shouldnt a shield fits more than a sword?"
and you answered "Because he fights at his best with a sword. 99% of the OP world would fight better with a weapon. And again it doesn't change the fact that amputate is a DF ability. It's not even a slash but separation of matter at a given trajectory. You are not hurt and can reassemble."
then i responded again "You said Law df negates durability so his sword has no attack power and can only be used in defence, so you still have yet to refute why didnt Law get a shield instead"
you're just looping yourself over and over again and you're saying "I already answered that"? lol
Does Law's shambles use a sword? It can also be used unknowingly on the opponent who doesn't protect himself with Haki
Can't Law win a fight by shambling a df user into water?
Law is a swordsman sure but i'm still wondering if Oda will see him as weaker by default to Wss Eos.
I have Zoro as stronger but not because of Wss though.
Can't Law win a fight by shambling a df user into water?
Law is a swordsman sure but i'm still wondering if Oda will see him as weaker by default to Wss Eos.
I have Zoro as stronger but not because of Wss though.