General & Others Is Oda a bad powerscaler?
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It was a stab clean through the abdomen which Marco reacted to severely demonstrating how brutally serious of an injury Marco believed it was. There is no excuse for Marco not healing that wound other than Oda sacrificing logic for plot.
Don’t defend everything a writer does blindly. They can make mistakes, as Oda clearly did here.
Don’t defend everything a writer does blindly. They can make mistakes, as Oda clearly did here.
I don't do it blindly, there are a lot of mistakes, but I don't think this is one. It's simply not in pirate nature to rush to heal your captain, no one would allow that, especially not Whitebeard who had a lot of pride in his toughness. Have we ever seen someone healed or tended to mid battle? It's an insult to warriors, lol.
Edit: especially since Whitebeard took it from his son.
Edit: especially since Whitebeard took it from his son.
This isn’t Big Mom who feels threatened when her own children protect her because she subconsciously understands just how unfit to be a captain she truly is, this is Whitebeard who openly welcomed the help and assistance of his sons on multiple occasions.
Whitebeard would’ve welcomed Marco’s healing, for sure.
Whitebeard would’ve welcomed Marco’s healing, for sure.
Not when it's coming from the anger of his own son in front of the marines. If that's what you think, you missed what Whitebeard's personality is about. Ace attacking him all the time and him allowing it literally exists to showcase his good will towards his sons etc. And this is a recurring theme of captains allowing the anger of their crew towards them, Luffy has done it many times without fighting back.
Marco healing him would 100% cheapen this betrayal and Whitebeard's tough but kind nature, as well as Whitebeard's pride in front of Marineford. He would never allow it, but I guess we have to agree to disagree. He went on to smash the place after that anyways.
Marco healing him would 100% cheapen this betrayal and Whitebeard's tough but kind nature, as well as Whitebeard's pride in front of Marineford. He would never allow it, but I guess we have to agree to disagree. He went on to smash the place after that anyways.
ffs, the logic IS that Whitebeard or Marco personally don't want his pride hurt. That's solid.
No, he's actually pretty good at it, tbh. Oda does not hide the fact when there is a clear gap in strength between characters, but at the same time, One Piece has never been about "If X character is stronger than Y character, then X character will win in a fight 100 percent of the time." And this is rightfully to be expected in a series where you have Devil Fruits that provide so much hax, it's not even funny. There is a multitude of ways a weaker character can be defeat a stronger character, but if the weaker character wins then they must have been stronger, right? No, it doesn't work like that.
There is also the fact that Oda utlilizes all aspects of combat when doing fights in One Piece. Strength, Speed, Agility, Luck, Intelligence etc.. All play a key role in his fights. He does this to balance things out. It's the fandom who refuses to accept that even if their favorite character wins a fight, that they were lacking in specific combat aspects in comparison to their opponent. Their character HAD to have been better in all aspects because they won, so therefore "Oda drew the fight inconsistently".
If anything, Oda puts too much thought into his fights, and to the casual reader it looks like looks like Oda doesn't know what he's doing when it comes to powerscaling. But again, in Oda's way of doing things, just because a character is weaker in certain regards, it doesn't mean their going to lose the fight, because in the aspects they are superior, they will pull out the win.
There is also the fact that Oda utlilizes all aspects of combat when doing fights in One Piece. Strength, Speed, Agility, Luck, Intelligence etc.. All play a key role in his fights. He does this to balance things out. It's the fandom who refuses to accept that even if their favorite character wins a fight, that they were lacking in specific combat aspects in comparison to their opponent. Their character HAD to have been better in all aspects because they won, so therefore "Oda drew the fight inconsistently".
If anything, Oda puts too much thought into his fights, and to the casual reader it looks like looks like Oda doesn't know what he's doing when it comes to powerscaling. But again, in Oda's way of doing things, just because a character is weaker in certain regards, it doesn't mean their going to lose the fight, because in the aspects they are superior, they will pull out the win.
Sorry @Admiral Lee Hung, your Marco complaints are dealt with in the manga. He can heal small aches and pains on others, but nothing major
Objectively, as the author of the manga, I’d say he’s the only GOOD powerscaler because he gets to create and alter the scale however he sees fit. Without reading other responses to this thread, I’m guessing some people here will disagree.
I agree with @Garp the Fist, a truly unbelievable line
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I agree with @Garp the Fist, a truly unbelievable line
Not really.
It is just that powerscaling consistency will never top the plot, the symbolic and the character dynamic. If at one point, to make the story work he has to not care of the power scale consistency he will. And he is right to do so.
Which does not mean that Oda is perfect. He has made mistakes here and there, but it is to be expect in a such long serie.
As I said, argue between ourselves is fun until you do not lose yourself in it.
Imo the issues in the powerscaling in One Piece are that :
-Some fans are far to much invest in them. To the point where they feel threatened or insulted if you disagree with them. It is the same fans who felt betrayed when a chapter prove them wrong.
-Some fans refuse to acknowledge that portrayal (which is link to the story) top feat (which can be circumstantial)
-Some fans refuse to understand that every character is not a 2000 IQ genius that can take life or death decision in atto second
-As it was said above some fans refuse to acknowledge that being able to beat someone does not mean that the winner was stronger in every aspect
-Some fans refuse to acknowledge « match up disadvantage »
-Some fans want to give « L » and « W » to every little things. Which lead thelto blow some actions out of proportion ans belittle others which to a totally misunderstanding of the general portrayal
-Oda is sometimes too vague on how some powers work or on the level of certains key characters.
In general, One Piece is pretty consistent powerscaling wise, Oda should just explains himself more imo.
It is just that powerscaling consistency will never top the plot, the symbolic and the character dynamic. If at one point, to make the story work he has to not care of the power scale consistency he will. And he is right to do so.
Which does not mean that Oda is perfect. He has made mistakes here and there, but it is to be expect in a such long serie.
As I said, argue between ourselves is fun until you do not lose yourself in it.
Imo the issues in the powerscaling in One Piece are that :
-Some fans are far to much invest in them. To the point where they feel threatened or insulted if you disagree with them. It is the same fans who felt betrayed when a chapter prove them wrong.
-Some fans refuse to acknowledge that portrayal (which is link to the story) top feat (which can be circumstantial)
-Some fans refuse to understand that every character is not a 2000 IQ genius that can take life or death decision in atto second
-As it was said above some fans refuse to acknowledge that being able to beat someone does not mean that the winner was stronger in every aspect
-Some fans refuse to acknowledge « match up disadvantage »
-Some fans want to give « L » and « W » to every little things. Which lead thelto blow some actions out of proportion ans belittle others which to a totally misunderstanding of the general portrayal
-Oda is sometimes too vague on how some powers work or on the level of certains key characters.
In general, One Piece is pretty consistent powerscaling wise, Oda should just explains himself more imo.
Oda gives A LOT fucks about power scaling, but he nerfs through circumstance, not feats.
He'll make a character stupid, or he's not serious/trolling, can't figure something out, he'll get sneak attacked, lose memory, etc.. but the feats are the feats. Big Mom is stupidly powerful, Kaido is stupidly durable, Usopp is still physically weak. That's not gonna change.
This is why I keep saying Portrayal > Feats, because feats are muddied by circumstance, which is heavily plot based.
He'll make a character stupid, or he's not serious/trolling, can't figure something out, he'll get sneak attacked, lose memory, etc.. but the feats are the feats. Big Mom is stupidly powerful, Kaido is stupidly durable, Usopp is still physically weak. That's not gonna change.
This is why I keep saying Portrayal > Feats, because feats are muddied by circumstance, which is heavily plot based.
