General & Others Is Oda Misogynistic ?
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Ratio?
2 women out of 11 main characters?
Yonko? 1 woman out of 7 (a stereotyped "mom" trope).
Admirals? 0 women (unless you count Tsuru, who doesn't any a third of the hype Garp and Sengoku get).
Shichibukais? 1 woman out of 10 characters. (stereotype "uses beauty as her weapon. Also falls madly in love with MC).
Supernovas? 1 woman out of 11 characters.
But surely Oda is a "equal rights" kind of guy, and not someone who, like tons of other people, reproduces the values of a misogynist world.
Which is kinda funny when you think about the fact that, the very idea of "shounen", "shoujo", etc, are enforcing stereotypical values of men and women having different "natural" tastes instead of fed ones, while also ignoring that a HUGE chunk of OP's fanbase consists in a female audience despite that.
But I digress. Surely Kuina will become the strongest sword user in the world and prove that a woman can be stronger than guys.
Wait....
2 women out of 11 main characters?
Yonko? 1 woman out of 7 (a stereotyped "mom" trope).
Admirals? 0 women (unless you count Tsuru, who doesn't any a third of the hype Garp and Sengoku get).
Shichibukais? 1 woman out of 10 characters. (stereotype "uses beauty as her weapon. Also falls madly in love with MC).
Supernovas? 1 woman out of 11 characters.
But surely Oda is a "equal rights" kind of guy, and not someone who, like tons of other people, reproduces the values of a misogynist world.
Which is kinda funny when you think about the fact that, the very idea of "shounen", "shoujo", etc, are enforcing stereotypical values of men and women having different "natural" tastes instead of fed ones, while also ignoring that a HUGE chunk of OP's fanbase consists in a female audience despite that.
But I digress. Surely Kuina will become the strongest sword user in the world and prove that a woman can be stronger than guys.
Wait....
He isn't sexist. He is simply to optimistic about his female characters having power oriented roles and fails at executing it affectively. And the time in which he did with bigmom, he made her a goof ans with yamato he made her identify being strong to being attributed to her wanting to be Oden (a man)
No. Especially compared to the other popular long running shounens like Naruto. Yes he draws large boobs, big deal. Female characters in one piece have motivations that aren't centered around a guy they have a crush on (like 99% of Naruto girls), they have skills and abilities that are crucial for the succes of whatever group they belong in.
One Piece world reflects the real world during the real world great pirate era, which had a total of like 2 or 3 prominent female pirates worth mentioning, so the ratio checks out. Adding more women to fit some artificially calculated equality or diversity quota (like what Netflix does with all those low quality trash shows they pump out) is dumb.
Yes, this is quite a stinker for me as well. Yes, women not being able to achieve the same level of physical strength as men is a biological fact. But that shouldn't be relevant in a manga aimed at teenagers that usually goes for "you can be whatever you want if you work hard enough" message. This is why I beleive the Kuina plotline is not over yet.
One Piece world reflects the real world during the real world great pirate era, which had a total of like 2 or 3 prominent female pirates worth mentioning, so the ratio checks out. Adding more women to fit some artificially calculated equality or diversity quota (like what Netflix does with all those low quality trash shows they pump out) is dumb.
Yes, this is quite a stinker for me as well. Yes, women not being able to achieve the same level of physical strength as men is a biological fact. But that shouldn't be relevant in a manga aimed at teenagers that usually goes for "you can be whatever you want if you work hard enough" message. This is why I beleive the Kuina plotline is not over yet.
I have been patient and given Oda his chance to better his treatment and writing of female characters, and to give them their moments to shine as much as male characters, but eventually I was forced to see the truth of how sexist and old-fashioned he is, and lost all delusion with the Yonko saga, with his treatment of Big Mom and her daughters being the last straw.