General & Others Is Oda Misogynistic ?
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Yes in this case not just oda tho
Other shonen mangaka also struggle to write any good story of woman character
Just look at Sakura in Naruto
Maybe oda is the worst by using them dress as naked as possible
Good design perhaps but a poor story development
Other shonen mangaka also struggle to write any good story of woman character
Just look at Sakura in Naruto
Maybe oda is the worst by using them dress as naked as possible
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I don't get people say this when we have good female characters in one piece.
Please explain your argument.
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Oda had Law and co turned into women by a "disease" power. I mean, that speaks volumes lol.
I've seen much worser treatment of girls and women in other series though, so it could be much worse too ofc. I don't believe he actually hates women, maybe mothers but thats it lol.
He has written some female characters well, maybe not by other author's standards ofc but still. There are some I do think are well written in OP.
I've seen much worser treatment of girls and women in other series though, so it could be much worse too ofc. I don't believe he actually hates women, maybe mothers but thats it lol.
He has written some female characters well, maybe not by other author's standards ofc but still. There are some I do think are well written in OP.
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No, he's got good female characters. It's just that every female in his show has a pencil waist and F-Cup breast.
Oda doesn't write romance, so he hasn't stumbled upon any truly mysogonystic characters like kishimoto.
The majority of Kishimoto's females are good, but these 4* -> Ino/Sakura, karin, Mei (Mizukage) who's entire personalities are based on men is pretty cringe and ruined public perception of his female characters as a whole.
Oda doesn't write romance, so he hasn't stumbled upon any truly mysogonystic characters like kishimoto.
The majority of Kishimoto's females are good, but these 4* -> Ino/Sakura, karin, Mei (Mizukage) who's entire personalities are based on men is pretty cringe and ruined public perception of his female characters as a whole.
They hung on to that Sasuke stuff way too long. It only became good when she started seeing Sai.
Like why was she crying for Sasuke after Kage summit. Why did Asuma's dying words have to be "don't lose to sakura in love or skill".
There are just many moments that make me wonder why is Ino still emotionally invested in this whole Sasuke business.
Also, I like Sakura too, she's my favorite Naruto character, but you can't deny in part 1 she was an after-thought. I'll say, outside of Sasuke she was good in part 1. Thinking back at all of her moments.
Like why was she crying for Sasuke after Kage summit. Why did Asuma's dying words have to be "don't lose to sakura in love or skill".
There are just many moments that make me wonder why is Ino still emotionally invested in this whole Sasuke business.
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Also, I like Sakura too, she's my favorite Naruto character, but you can't deny in part 1 she was an after-thought. I'll say, outside of Sasuke she was good in part 1. Thinking back at all of her moments.
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I am very critical of Kishimoto and his writing of female characters, of Sakura and Ino amongst many others, but his worst is certainely not on the same level than Oda's worst when it comes to female characters.
I don't think that you have ever seen a female character as badly mistreated and mishandled as Big Mom and several of her daughters in Naruto.
I don't think that you have ever seen a female character as badly mistreated and mishandled as Big Mom and several of her daughters in Naruto.
i think it was great from the get-go. the sakura-ino flashback is one of the 2 strongest moments in the chuunin exam arc, the other being the hyuga backstory.
because she's not a psychopath, robbed of the last scraps of empathy by the vile, warmongering, child-exploiting 'hidden village'. a person - a PERSON - who was her childhood friend (albeit not a close one), who never did anything bad to her, was on a dark path and about to get whacked by her OTHER childhood friends, who were also on a dark path but in a different way. if anything, ino is the only sane person (apart from naruto who eveyone loves to mock bc hYpErVeNtiLaTe) in that scene because sadness is about the only adequate reaction in such a terrible situation.
this doesn't reflect on ino in any way, it's asuma's problem he saw his student as nothing but some guy's potential love interest. asuma was written like a dick here, not ino
sure i can deny that. she served as a realistic portrayal of a spoiled brat who is so removed from reality she believes being an orphan is a BLESSING. her effortless mastery in chakra control also showed the reader that neither naruto nor sasuke are the best at everything. kishimoto also had her rethink her misguided assessment of rock lee's character. there's more but i hate sakura and don't really want to talk about her
because she's not a psychopath, robbed of the last scraps of empathy by the vile, warmongering, child-exploiting 'hidden village'. a person - a PERSON - who was her childhood friend (albeit not a close one), who never did anything bad to her, was on a dark path and about to get whacked by her OTHER childhood friends, who were also on a dark path but in a different way. if anything, ino is the only sane person (apart from naruto who eveyone loves to mock bc hYpErVeNtiLaTe) in that scene because sadness is about the only adequate reaction in such a terrible situation.
this doesn't reflect on ino in any way, it's asuma's problem he saw his student as nothing but some guy's potential love interest. asuma was written like a dick here, not ino
sure i can deny that. she served as a realistic portrayal of a spoiled brat who is so removed from reality she believes being an orphan is a BLESSING. her effortless mastery in chakra control also showed the reader that neither naruto nor sasuke are the best at everything. kishimoto also had her rethink her misguided assessment of rock lee's character. there's more but i hate sakura and don't really want to talk about her
Oda can write romance he just doesnt wanna try(he doesnt think it's cool). His treatment of women is very inconsistent but everytime he finds out a way to make'em a damsel in distress, he got mad "your princess is in another castle vibes"
And i dont mean that the women need to fight to be validated, characters can be validated without those fights. Nami is crazy important for the crew, as much as Luffy if not more. Her navigaiton skills were once focused a bunch in between arcs but that just gone now (as which crew interaction and so less sunny fun)
Big Mom was the most scary Yonko so far in WCI but then he made her a joke with no way to go.
is oda misogynistic likely but at best he takes misogynistc action as he and us are part of a context even tho our cultures are different coz countries, women be getting the short end of the stick in most places.
And for the small thing i watched on naruto, Ino vs Sakura was interesting but greatly overshadower by GaaravsRocklee_numb.avi
And i dont mean that the women need to fight to be validated, characters can be validated without those fights. Nami is crazy important for the crew, as much as Luffy if not more. Her navigaiton skills were once focused a bunch in between arcs but that just gone now (as which crew interaction and so less sunny fun)
Big Mom was the most scary Yonko so far in WCI but then he made her a joke with no way to go.
is oda misogynistic likely but at best he takes misogynistc action as he and us are part of a context even tho our cultures are different coz countries, women be getting the short end of the stick in most places.
And for the small thing i watched on naruto, Ino vs Sakura was interesting but greatly overshadower by GaaravsRocklee_numb.avi
That's not entirely true. Humans still have an inclination, a core that defines their personality and why they are like they are. Experiences make up most of the personality, but people are inclined to different things than others. Otherwise, why do some babies cry and others stay silent, some hit, others are angels. Even infants have innate nature.
That's why 'changing,' your personality is so hard to do. You can put on masks, unlearn habits. But you can't change your inclinations.
That's why 'changing,' your personality is so hard to do. You can put on masks, unlearn habits. But you can't change your inclinations.
That was a great moment, I kinda scoffed when the whole "long hair" argument came up and turned them into rivals; but I suppose I have to remember that they're 7 year old girls at that point, and are written as such.
I never made fun of Naruto for the hyperventilation, it's a completely realistic reaction to the 5 great military super-powers in the world coming together and saying "let's kill your best friend".
To be honest, I think everyone interprets that scene as Ino crying over a lost love. When even Sakura (at least in front of everyone) isn't crying and is commited to ending Sasuke.
Lol could have fooled me, you're really objective. I've changed my mind on certain scenes thanks to this little exchange.
I never made fun of Naruto for the hyperventilation, it's a completely realistic reaction to the 5 great military super-powers in the world coming together and saying "let's kill your best friend".
To be honest, I think everyone interprets that scene as Ino crying over a lost love. When even Sakura (at least in front of everyone) isn't crying and is commited to ending Sasuke.
Lol could have fooled me, you're really objective. I've changed my mind on certain scenes thanks to this little exchange.
good for you. many, many people thought naruto was dumb, pathetic and in the wrong, though.
well, i don't think ino ever loved sasuke. he was just a crush - a good-looking, studious and competent classmate who, unlike many of their peers, didn't exhibit any particularly negative character traits (bullying sakura for her forehead, picking on outcasts like naruto, body-shaming choji etc). i think she had reasons to like him - he was likable - and she did. but a child's crush is not love and ino never seriously claimed she was mourning her 'lost love', idiot fans choose to interpret the scene in such a nonsensical way. ino has a similar character to naruto (boastful, extraverted, but kind) and her reaction is similar to naruto's, except milder because to her, sasuke was a good classmate but not her best friend
she also cares about sakura and knows her friend is very attached to sasuke, so sasuke dying would be hard on her closest friend, too (however, this isn't an angle kishimoto chose to emphasize)
that's a nice thing to say to someone. ino is a great character, but she's also a minor character who doesn't get a lot of panel time, and due to her somewhat 'caricaturized' quirks (boasting, vanity, penchant for the quieter dark-haired gents), it's easy to only remember these moments and think she's vapid and sucks. but the truth is that ino's actions never resulted in harm to others and she always had empathy for those who had it worse than her
well, i don't think ino ever loved sasuke. he was just a crush - a good-looking, studious and competent classmate who, unlike many of their peers, didn't exhibit any particularly negative character traits (bullying sakura for her forehead, picking on outcasts like naruto, body-shaming choji etc). i think she had reasons to like him - he was likable - and she did. but a child's crush is not love and ino never seriously claimed she was mourning her 'lost love', idiot fans choose to interpret the scene in such a nonsensical way. ino has a similar character to naruto (boastful, extraverted, but kind) and her reaction is similar to naruto's, except milder because to her, sasuke was a good classmate but not her best friend
she also cares about sakura and knows her friend is very attached to sasuke, so sasuke dying would be hard on her closest friend, too (however, this isn't an angle kishimoto chose to emphasize)
that's a nice thing to say to someone. ino is a great character, but she's also a minor character who doesn't get a lot of panel time, and due to her somewhat 'caricaturized' quirks (boasting, vanity, penchant for the quieter dark-haired gents), it's easy to only remember these moments and think she's vapid and sucks. but the truth is that ino's actions never resulted in harm to others and she always had empathy for those who had it worse than her