General & Others Is Oda speedrushing the fights atm?
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That was a special case. Most One Piece villains don't get backstories, the East Blue ones didn't (arlong didn't untill FMI). Crocodile didn't, Enel didn't, the CP9 didn't untill Chapter 0, Moria was an exception, Magellan didn't, the Admirals didn't.
Even in Dressrossa the seats more or less got the same shitty lame Backstory of getting a stiffy from seeing kid Doflamingo using CoC. King and Queen at least have better backstories
Even in Dressrossa the seats more or less got the same shitty lame Backstory of getting a stiffy from seeing kid Doflamingo using CoC. King and Queen at least have better backstories
regular one piece readers know
most fights for the strawhats are about 2-3 chaps tops
zoro and sanji received that
f6 fights like ww jimbei, nami ulti seem a bit rushed
but these last two met standard...........
i guess in the last 5 yrs the fandom has grown so used to luffy fights which cover a longer span of time
its easy to forget how other fights in the series
actually go down.
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just luffy's fight mate
how long was ace BB
rofl
most fights for the strawhats are about 2-3 chaps tops
zoro and sanji received that
f6 fights like ww jimbei, nami ulti seem a bit rushed
but these last two met standard...........
i guess in the last 5 yrs the fandom has grown so used to luffy fights which cover a longer span of time
its easy to forget how other fights in the series
actually go down.
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just luffy's fight mate
how long was ace BB
rofl
I wonder if people would have enjoyed the fights more if instead of going (roughly):
Zoro chapter > Sanji chapter > Killer chapter > Kid chapter > Sanji chapter > Zoro chapter > Zoro chapter > Sanji chapter > Zoro chapter
Oda grouped them all up together in a row. And just did the Kid/Killer stuff before or after the Zoro/Sanji stuff.
Zoro chapter > Sanji chapter > Killer chapter > Kid chapter > Sanji chapter > Zoro chapter > Zoro chapter > Sanji chapter > Zoro chapter
Oda grouped them all up together in a row. And just did the Kid/Killer stuff before or after the Zoro/Sanji stuff.
yep thanks to @zzShinichi
Here you have Zoro vs King fight which has 42 pages (probably we will get 2 more for 1036)
Sanji vs Queen got 33 pages
Here you have Zoro vs King fight which has 42 pages (probably we will get 2 more for 1036)
Sanji vs Queen got 33 pages
@sanjikun
Luffy vs Cracker:
- 836: 4 pages; 2 attacks from Luffy. 1 from Cracker
- 837: 11 pages; 3 attacks from Luffy. 5 from Cracker
- 838: 11 pages; 2 attacks from Luffy. 3 from Cracker
- 841: 2 pages; no attacks from either side
- 842: 9 pages; 2 attacks from Luffy. 2 from Cracker
Total: 37 pages; 9 attacks from Luffy. 11 from Cracker
It's actually a pretty decently long fight for how broken up it is. That's over 2 chapters worth of full content (32 pages is ~2 chapters). Sanji and Zoro got longer fights this arc which is pretty neat and commensurate with the commander rankings of their enemies (48 pages for Sanji, 52 pages for Zoro).
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It's over 3 chapters when you add all of the pages he got on the fight. Sanji's was exactly 3 chapters worth.
Luffy vs Cracker:
- 836: 4 pages; 2 attacks from Luffy. 1 from Cracker
- 837: 11 pages; 3 attacks from Luffy. 5 from Cracker
- 838: 11 pages; 2 attacks from Luffy. 3 from Cracker
- 841: 2 pages; no attacks from either side
- 842: 9 pages; 2 attacks from Luffy. 2 from Cracker
Total: 37 pages; 9 attacks from Luffy. 11 from Cracker
It's actually a pretty decently long fight for how broken up it is. That's over 2 chapters worth of full content (32 pages is ~2 chapters). Sanji and Zoro got longer fights this arc which is pretty neat and commensurate with the commander rankings of their enemies (48 pages for Sanji, 52 pages for Zoro).
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It's over 3 chapters when you add all of the pages he got on the fight. Sanji's was exactly 3 chapters worth.
One piece fights have always been underwhelming. Really even best fights are choreographed not as smoothly as naruto's mid level fights, let alone top level fight like gara vs rock lee, obito vs kakashi, naruto pein.
One piece shines in its story and world building not fights and character depth developments(though here and there you might find some well written enough characters)
One piece shines in its story and world building not fights and character depth developments(though here and there you might find some well written enough characters)
Oda's Forte, imo, comes from single panel shots of moves with impact and how he draws the affects of movement in the environment. Like Zoro's last double spread against Ryuuma or Luffy's Adv CoC hits against Kaido (few examples out of hundreds).
However, the biggest thing really comes from the environmental affects. Look at the Luffy vs Katakuri finisher. It ends on a cliffhanger, following chapter shows the aftermath of the impact. You can see Luffy was hit on the head and sunk into the ground, and you can see Katakuri was hit in the stomach and moved back like 30 feet and the ground damage is exceptionally drawn. Then Luffy falls through the crushed floor and faints, it's really well done when you look at this stuff from that perspective.
Even Sanji and Zoro's latest fights are good examples of this:
- Sanji's Hell memories, if you pay attention in the 1031 double spread, you can see Queen is knocked through some doors, indicating he was launched out of the hallway. 2 chapters later, you see Queen was launched like through 5 walls and he's walking back from it. Then last chapter when he did his Ifrit Jambe stuff, you see him launched away, but in this chapter you can see Sanji shot him through the roof and out the side of Onigashima. However, this location is exactly the correct location for where Black Maria's red light district is located, on the right side of Onigashima in the bedrock of the Skull.
- Zoro has the same deal. The way King uses his fire dragon and it misses Zoro, if you pay attention to the background of as they fight, you can see the explosion of the Dragon happen after Zoro dodges, then you can see the fire and smoke as they keep fighting. You can also see on the beginning of 1035 the damage King did against Zoro with his moves 2 chapters before. All of the impacts and explosion aftermath in the area. On top of that, locationally, Zoro has been on the left side of the Onigashima Skull.
So back to back, both King and Queen were dropped off Onigashima around the same time on the opposing sides. All consistently done.
Tldr: my favorite thing about one piece is how the environment is drawn. It's extremely consistent and scaled correctly with how damage is done/portrayed to it or where characters are located. Oda is VERY good at this.
However, the biggest thing really comes from the environmental affects. Look at the Luffy vs Katakuri finisher. It ends on a cliffhanger, following chapter shows the aftermath of the impact. You can see Luffy was hit on the head and sunk into the ground, and you can see Katakuri was hit in the stomach and moved back like 30 feet and the ground damage is exceptionally drawn. Then Luffy falls through the crushed floor and faints, it's really well done when you look at this stuff from that perspective.
Even Sanji and Zoro's latest fights are good examples of this:
- Sanji's Hell memories, if you pay attention in the 1031 double spread, you can see Queen is knocked through some doors, indicating he was launched out of the hallway. 2 chapters later, you see Queen was launched like through 5 walls and he's walking back from it. Then last chapter when he did his Ifrit Jambe stuff, you see him launched away, but in this chapter you can see Sanji shot him through the roof and out the side of Onigashima. However, this location is exactly the correct location for where Black Maria's red light district is located, on the right side of Onigashima in the bedrock of the Skull.
- Zoro has the same deal. The way King uses his fire dragon and it misses Zoro, if you pay attention to the background of as they fight, you can see the explosion of the Dragon happen after Zoro dodges, then you can see the fire and smoke as they keep fighting. You can also see on the beginning of 1035 the damage King did against Zoro with his moves 2 chapters before. All of the impacts and explosion aftermath in the area. On top of that, locationally, Zoro has been on the left side of the Onigashima Skull.
So back to back, both King and Queen were dropped off Onigashima around the same time on the opposing sides. All consistently done.
Tldr: my favorite thing about one piece is how the environment is drawn. It's extremely consistent and scaled correctly with how damage is done/portrayed to it or where characters are located. Oda is VERY good at this.
