General & Others Is One Piece a top 3 manga?

[Fn Lucci]

Fair enough.

Let's pick another topic, then: OP's manga sales have factually been declining the last several years. Don't you think it has anything to do with the decline of its writing quality?

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CMIIW, but I think JoJo has OP beat in regards of endurance.

I think since Skypiea even, Oda has had a bad habit of padding his arcs. Personally I didn't mind until Onigashima got filled with a bunch of random shit while forcing some intriguing storylines to fall flat... like a kingdom of Zoans getting defeated without a single one of them awakening.

I think fatigue is every bit as likely a factor as a quality related decline. Even 80 volumes is a seriously big ask for one series, with the cost of real life shit on the rise and many businesses in the toilet from covid related issues.

Viz was smart with JoJo because they sell less actual volumes but make a little more for the same amount of content. Unfortunately it's only a practical method for a series that's been running for at least 20 years before hitting distribution

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Those are strictly volume sales my man. The charts I've shown you are weekly sales.

With the final one being the volume sales for May. And JJK had only one chapter in June when the list you're quoting was made.

What are you talking about? Individual chapters don't sell. Do you know how manga works?


The recent round of a lot of series had the latest volume released April 4. Here's how it went that month

1Spy x FamilyTatsuya Endo2, 303,434
2Jujutsu KaisenGege Akutami2,022,059
3One PieceEiichiro Oda1,512,148
4Tokyo RevengersKen Wakui1,146,363

Not bad at all except it's not really a massive difference considering OP sold more copies before these series started than they will throughout their whole runs and will continue after JJK finishes.

 

[Finalbeta]

Does it make to top 1000 for the recent stuff?

 

[Weeman]

Top 13.5

 

[Malio]

Nope!

 

[Light D Lamperouge]

What are you talking about? Individual chapters don't sell. Do you know how manga works?

I'll take it slowly. What I showed you are the weekly sales of all the manga. It's not for a specific volume. It's for all of the manga purchased in a week. Everything clear so far? I genuinely hope it is.


Agree to disagree or whatever. You've been just mischaracterizing what I say or not understanding it.

 

[Fn Lucci]

I'll take it slowly. What I showed you are the weekly sales of all the manga. It's not for a specific volume. It's for all of the manga purchased in a week. Everything clear so far? I genuinely hope it is.


Agree to disagree or whatever. You've been just mischaracterizing what I say or not understanding it.

... But seriously, if I didn't seem condescending, would you admit to perhaps making a mistake?

Those are strictly volume sales my man. The charts I've shown you are weekly sales.

With the final one being the volume sales for May. And JJK had only one chapter in June when the list you're quoting was made.

The fact of how many chapters is irrelevant because chapters don't sell. So it's all "strictly volume sales." Sounds like a mistake man. How about if I apologize for how I came off so you can play it straight?

The number of copies moved for almost any series in individual volumes, other than the most current volume, wouldn't be significant enough to even count. But even if a chart tracks ALL "strictly volume sales" then that really doesn't change anything. OP isn't close to its peak, it's getting beat out on release day and tapers off from there, but overall it holds up decently while other series are peaking.

JJK wasn't on the chart for mid June. Same with AoT, My Hero, and Demon Slayer. In strict volume sales, TR is just under where OP was at the same point but even if it might be there again next year, ten years or twenty years from now I doubt it.

 

[Light D Lamperouge]

... But seriously, if I didn't seem condescending, would you admit to perhaps making a mistake?

The fact of how many chapters is irrelevant because chapters don't sell. So it's all "strictly volume sales." Sounds like a mistake man. How about if I apologize for how I came off so you can play it straight?

The number of copies moved for almost any series in individual volumes, other than the most current volume, wouldn't be significant enough to even count. But even if a chart tracks ALL "strictly volume sales" then that really doesn't change anything. OP isn't close to its peak, it's getting beat out on release day and tapers off from there, but overall it holds up decently while other series are peaking.

I meant what you quoted was strictly for one specific volume. What I showed were weekly sales of the manga in general. That's what I've been talking about. Perhaps I phrased it wrongly. No apology needed. We ostensibly had a misunderstanding. Btw chapters are released in magazines. No new chapter no incentive to buy older ones etc. Never mind, it's irrelevant. Like I said, agree to disagree or whatever lol.

 

[Tai long]

lets stop talking about sale because if you want to use sales then one piece is top one but if you want to bash op for it current sales then I would laugh about most of yous top 3 current sale (berserk, monster and so on)

 

[The White Crane]

I think since Skypiea even, Oda has had a bad habit of padding his arcs. Personally I didn't mind until Onigashima got filled with a bunch of random shit while forcing some intriguing storylines to fall flat... like a kingdom of Zoans getting defeated without a single one of them awakening.

I think fatigue is every bit as likely a factor as a quality related decline. Even 80 volumes is a seriously big ask for one series, with the cost of real life shit on the rise and many businesses in the toilet from covid related issues.

Viz was smart with JoJo because they sell less actual volumes but make a little more for the same amount of content. Unfortunately it's only a practical method for a series that's been running for at least 20 years before hitting distribution

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What are you talking about? Individual chapters don't sell. Do you know how manga works?


The recent round of a lot of series had the latest volume released April 4. Here's how it went that month

1Spy x FamilyTatsuya Endo2, 303,434
2Jujutsu KaisenGege Akutami2,022,059
3One PieceEiichiro Oda1,512,148
4Tokyo RevengersKen Wakui1,146,363

Not bad at all except it's not really a massive difference considering OP sold more copies before these series started than they will throughout their whole runs and will continue after JJK finishes.

That fatigue thing might have been it. Lolda should have taken a month-break every year since the Post-TS begin, imo. And his editor should have been ballsier, too.

 

[Tomu]

I have been reading One Piece since its first volume was released, dude.

Calling SXF decent at best is just lolworthy considering it's one of the best original works in years. The reception both to its manga and its anime is something no "decent at best" series can even dream of.

Kimetsu no Yaiba (bottom tier series) says hi

 

[Monkey D Theories]

I once read this really wacky manga that nobody's heard of. Its called grashros. Its about a caveman who has sex, and also he is hunting a mammoth.

I think its better than the last 5 years of one piece

 

[Fn Lucci]

I meant what you quoted was strictly for one specific volume. What I showed were weekly sales of the manga in general. That's what I've been talking about. Perhaps I phrased it wrongly. No apology needed. We ostensibly had a misunderstanding. Btw chapters are released in magazines. No new chapter no incentive to buy older ones etc. Never mind, it's irrelevant. Like I said, agree to disagree or whatever lol.

No new chapter, you have... no significant reason to see sales change for the collected edition. Unless it's a massive delay like we see with HxH, Vagabond, etc. Oda taking this break will push volume 104 or 105 further out I guess, but there's no reason to think less people would buy 102 right now or that 103-105 will have sales suffer. Because of the anthology format it's really a separate market.

But okay. All I'm saying is that for all of the problems we see, the idea that it's getting destroyed in sales is quite exaggerated.

That fatigue thing might have been it. Lolda should have taken a month-break every year since the Post-TS begin, imo. And his editor should have been ballsier, too.

If there's one thing I see that Oda should go with, it's maybe something like the biweekly release schedule of SxF. Less pages per month, more time to plan and execute

And from what we've been getting I feel like his editor is a fucking bum

 

[The White Crane]

Kimetsu no Yaiba (bottom tier series) says hi

I didn’t read or watch KnY, so I can neither agree nor disagree with you.

No new chapter, you have... no significant reason to see sales change for the collected edition. Unless it's a massive delay like we see with HxH, Vagabond, etc. Oda taking this break will push volume 104 or 105 further out I guess, but there's no reason to think less people would buy 102 right now or that 103-105 will have sales suffer. Because of the anthology format it's really a separate market.

But okay. All I'm saying is that for all of the problems we see, the idea that it's getting destroyed in sales is quite exaggerated.

If there's one thing I see that Oda should go with, it's maybe something like the biweekly release schedule of SxF. Less pages per month, more time to plan and execute

And from what we've been getting I feel like his editor is a fucking bum

OP being bi-weekly but super well written would have been worth it.

Man, his editor must be his bootlicker. Probably too much in awe of Lolda to disagree with "I am going to highlight Tama and Momo while sidelining my first 1 billion berry character!" or otherwise similar ideas.

But, yeah, the SxF and OP comparison really opened my eyes about the importance of editors.

Tatsuya Endo kept getting his mangas axed and even got nicknamed 'The Axeman'. Literally was pushing 40 as mangaka with nothing to show for it. Got the idea to make a spy series and wanted to make it dark and gritty (ala his previous works). His editor told him that a wholesome content being injected to the series will make it a success. He listened to his editor and made the monster hit that is SxF.

Meanwhile, Lolda's editor was still crying after Luffy punched his opponent for the one trillionth time, in an arc where the deuteragonist is literally the series' least popular major character after a decade of build-up.

 

[Tomu]

I once read this really wacky manga that nobody's heard of. Its called grashros. Its about a caveman who has sex, and also he is hunting a mammoth.

I think its better than the last 5 years of one piece

Man Grashros is just really weird - it focuses more on the fact the main character is well endowed than any plotline

 

[OnePieceFanGirl]

Very influential and historically impressive to be sure considering how long Oda has been writing it. His imagination is extremely impressive too. But when it comes to what I personally consider important, i.e. consistent quality and depth of characterisation, to me it cannot be. It’ll always be amongst the most popular ever, including outside of its genre, but it doesn’t necessarily mean it’s amongst the best written. There’s a lot of wasted potential, unfortunately, and it’s a pity because Oda is really talented.

 

[Punk Rotten]

Yea no question for me. For its genre, it’s one of the best to it and that is obvious. It touched way too many people for it not to.

Berserk is the only series for me that tops it.

 

[ConquistadoR]

If you've read just 3 mangas then yes, One Piece is a top 3 manga.

 

[Finalbeta]

Maybe it still does make it in top 1000

 

[Light D Lamperouge]

If you've read just 3 mangas then yes, One Piece is a top 3 manga.

 

[Wuuuke]

Not even top 10 IMO