Versus Battle Is Pain vs Itachi a debate?

[Shiroyru]

Animal Path summons are even worse than the Paths lol. They’ll be basic 3T Genjutsu victims without even taking too much toll on Itachi’s chakra reserves. Itachi also outscales the Paths by a lot in terms of speed so he will eventually be in range for Amaterasu amped Katons which will kill them. Not to mention, a bigger target is a death wish against the Susano’o. Especially one with an overpowered sword that can one shot anybody

One of the summons is invisible, so Itachi won’t be able to easily cast Sharingan genjutsu on it, and the Animal Path can keep on spam summoning animals to provide Nagato with vision while the other 5 Paths jump Itachi. He can only put one of them in a genjutsu at a time, and he’ll have to do so while focusing on the 5 Paths

 

[SkySanji]

By your logic, wouldn’t all the the Paths have been caught in Ibiki’s genjutsu?

That's anime filler and iirc it wasn't even genjutsu.

 

[BoaHancocksHusband]

Forget Madara, he uses the famous Shibai tools, with a healthy body he'd body the Otsutsuki clan with careful plans and genjutsu like Batman with prep time.

The goat Itachi was nerfed by his feelings for Sauce Gay

 

[ZenZu]

I agree that Sick Itachi loses but I’m assuming you have Edo Itachi over Pain right? Since those stamina and chakra issues are gone.

Also, I wanna push back on the Genjutsu resistance thing. It’s never said that Rinnegan has Genjutsu resistance, this is simply a Mandela effect that the fanbase has gaslighted itself into. Just because it’s a superior eye doesn’t mean it’s immune to everything the inferior eyes has below it. Especially not MS level Genjutsu. The only statement regarding this matter is Sasuke’s Rinnegan’s resistance to the Infinite Tsukuyomi BUT Sasuke had his Rinnegan amped up by his own EMS and Six Paths chakra. Nagato’s Rinnegan is fodder in comparison.

Itachi can definitely use Genjutsu against Pain. Worst case scenario, he’ll be forced to use Tsukuyomi but it can canonically land on multiple targets at once so it shouldn’t be an issue.

Tldr, most paths outside of Deva and Asura is fodder to Itachi. Asura can also be defeated by Totsuka Blade GG “easily” (easily is in quotations because while Itachi’s arsenal does have a very viable wincon against Asura, I wouldn’t say him using his strongest weapon is easy).

Deva is the only problem.

Disagreed. I'm only commenting for the Gin pfp

 

[Rumble]

It's a very real debate, especially when you argue on a "Healthy" Itachi. It's not a hidden bit of subtext that Zetsu repeatedly gassed up Itachi beyond Pein's level of hype despite seeing Pein fight in the same arc.

Itachi's faster than Pein, he typically has better jutsu, he's more intelligent as well.

I'd argue that a Healthy Itachi beats Pein 7/10 times. A Sick Itachi gets close to 50/50.

Boy, someone should kick you in your fucking chest.

Itachi has better jutsu he says.

 

[GalaxyLevelShanks]

One of the summons is invisible, so Itachi won’t be able to easily cast Sharingan genjutsu on it

The fight isn't gonna be easy, duh. Itachi will obviously get pushed to his limits.

he Animal Path can keep on spam summoning animals to provide Nagato with vision while the other 5 Paths jump Itachi.

This is gonna be a huge nerf for Pain though. The key advantage of Shared Vision is that Pain can see through multiple angles in a fight. Take this instance for example.

This is especially useful in a CQC scenario as you can gauge the opponent's moves without even looking. The thing here is, looking is deadly against Itachi and using summons as vision won't help either since they're far bigger so it'll be harder for them to view the exact details of the CQC fight. Similar to looking at a basketball game from the nosebleeds vs courtside. Sure, they'll transmit information but it won't be as helpful. They'll pretty much be transferring inefficient info while getting negged by Genjutsu. That's deadly against someone who was clowning KCM1 Naruto and Bee who scale much higher than the Paths in terms of CQC. Not to mention, Susano'o will take care of all of them as well.

He can only put one of them in a genjutsu at a time, and he’ll have to do so while focusing on the 5 Paths

Tsukuyomi is canonically confirmed to work on multiple targets at once.

 

[MonsterKaido]

Pain is stronger and has more ways to win against itachi. Itachi will go blind given how much he needs to use his MS here to not get bodied by pain.

 

[MonsterKaido]

if Jiraiya can solo 4 pains with no intel and needing assistance to create a genjutsu, itachi will body pain/nagato without much effort lets be honest, only thing that would give itachi trouble is if its all 6 peins at once and hes getting countered by deva path but even than isthat enough to bypass susanoos ultimate defense and blade.

but if we use their alive versions nagato is permanently crippled and itachi is leaps and bounds smarter than naruto to understand pein hell he even knew he wasnt even in charge of akatsuki so he already has intel on him to understand how to easily defeat him.

if both are primed it can go either way but that if its 1on1 opposed to 6v1 itachi wins that handedly. 6 paths would be tougher but Naruto easily destroyed all versions of pein outside of deva with intel if you guys dont think itachi can do as much while naruto had just barely learn sagejutsu.

Jiraiya was getting dominated by 3 paths which didn't include deva path. He had to literally run from 3 paths.

 

[Charlie]

Everything is up to debate if you're delusional brave enough.

 

[The Shaman King]

Of course not
Itachi is by far the strongest character in all of Naruto so strong is he in fact he can no diff
Kaguya,the Jubbi, Madara alive,Edo,Jubidara,Hashirama and Jubito at the same time (this is of course sarcasm and just me talking about Itachi highballs from years ago)

 

[BoaHancocksHusband]

Itachi with prep time, the eye of the crow

 

[MUUGEN]

Jiraiya was getting dominated by 3 paths which didn't include deva path. He had to literally run from 3 paths.

as he was summoning and then once again when he began the genjutsu lol he didnt just run to run away he ran to understand the abilities of pein in which itachi already has full knowledge about.

does itachi need to summon or prep a genjutsu no, did naruto easily counter once info was known yes.

pein is only an issue with deva path and if its nagato solo thats even easier for itachi to handle

 

[MonsterKaido]

as he was summoning and then once again when he began the genjutsu lol he didnt just run to run away he ran to understand the abilities of pein in which itachi already has full knowledge about.

does itachi need to summon or prep a genjutsu no, did naruto easily counter once info was known yes.

pein is only an issue with deva path and if its nagato solo thats even easier for itachi to handle

Jiraiya literally admitted that had he continued the fight , he would have been killed. 3 paths of pain >> Jiraiya.

Only after running away due to terrain , he was able to use genjutsu. Against 6 paths he would be no match.