Speculations Is Queen down for good?
- Thread starter Patryipe
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I think this post was overlooked, because it's true. Look at every other one piece fight for the protagonists. In nearly every single fight, the villain does 1 final attack before being taken out. Just do this with Wano:
- Ulti was about to attack Nami before losing
- WsW used multiple attacks that couldn't break Jinbe before getting wrecked
- Sasaki used a last resort and got outclassed by Franky
- Black Maria used her fire and was about take out Robin if she didn't use her Fishman Karate move on the roof.
- Jack and Peros had attacked Inu/Neko (off screen unfortunately...) before losing.
Then just compare to Queen... the last thing he does to Sanji is Winch Queen. After this he gets hit twice, then focuses on something else while being invisible.
I for one don't believe it's over because of this. Seems way to anticlimactic, even when you compare it to the F6 fights.
Queen is literally not fighting Sanji on those last pages. It would be highly unsatisfactory if Sanji wins this way. Sure he got a powerup, but Queen was focused on the oiran, not Sanji here.
- Ulti was about to attack Nami before losing
- WsW used multiple attacks that couldn't break Jinbe before getting wrecked
- Sasaki used a last resort and got outclassed by Franky
- Black Maria used her fire and was about take out Robin if she didn't use her Fishman Karate move on the roof.
- Jack and Peros had attacked Inu/Neko (off screen unfortunately...) before losing.
Then just compare to Queen... the last thing he does to Sanji is Winch Queen. After this he gets hit twice, then focuses on something else while being invisible.
I for one don't believe it's over because of this. Seems way to anticlimactic, even when you compare it to the F6 fights.
Queen is literally not fighting Sanji on those last pages. It would be highly unsatisfactory if Sanji wins this way. Sure he got a powerup, but Queen was focused on the oiran, not Sanji here.
Nah, if anything if Queen is down like this I'm starting to shit bricks thinking about ZvK, Oda might decide to throw everything down the drain and end it next chapter as well. 
Oda has generally kept them satisfying. Even when Sanji's own fights were underwhelming (compare Sanji vs Absalom to Zoro vs Ryuma).
Also, Queen said "Judge's sons", not "Judge's children".
I agree with the rest.
@Paperchampion23: it looks like a finisher attack. In fact, It looks exactly like other Strawhat finishers that we've seen in Wano.
Jimbe vs Who's Who:
Franky vs Sasaki:
Sanji vs Queen:
I'd love for Queen to stand up and then power himself up with some monstrous plague that surpasses even the Ice Oni.
I think that's nothing but hopium though. The narrative of the fight was fully resolved in this chapter.
Jimbe vs Who's Who:
Franky vs Sasaki:
Sanji vs Queen:
I'd love for Queen to stand up and then power himself up with some monstrous plague that surpasses even the Ice Oni.
I think that's nothing but hopium though. The narrative of the fight was fully resolved in this chapter.
@Paperchampion23: it looks like a finisher attack. In fact, It looks exactly like other Strawhat finishers that we've seen in Wano.
Jimbe vs Who's Who:
Franky vs Sasaki:
Sanji vs Queen:
I'd love for Queen to stand up and then power himself up with some monstrous plague that surpasses even the Ice Oni.
I think that's nothing but hopium though. The narrative of the fight was fully resolved in this chapter.
Jimbe vs Who's Who:
Franky vs Sasaki:
Sanji vs Queen:
I'd love for Queen to stand up and then power himself up with some monstrous plague that surpasses even the Ice Oni.
I think that's nothing but hopium though. The narrative of the fight was fully resolved in this chapter.
They showed it in 1022. It still happened just later.
Hence why any arguement about Queen's fate works. He might be down in 1035, he might not.
It's not a good example, those other fights had the villains doing final attacks on Jinbe and Franky. Queen is literally distracted by the oiran.
And people said the same thing about 1031 which is kind of funny. It looked pretty climactic too, even if it didn't resolve plotwork. The point is, previous examples can't really be used to determine anything.
He can get up next chapter, or he stays down and nobody can prove otherwise until it happens
Hence why any arguement about Queen's fate works. He might be down in 1035, he might not.
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@Paperchampion23: it looks like a finisher attack. In fact, It looks exactly like other Strawhat finishers that we've seen in Wano.
Jimbe vs Who's Who:
Franky vs Sasaki:
Sanji vs Queen:
I'd love for Queen to stand up and then power himself up with some monstrous plague that surpasses even the Ice Oni.
I think that's nothing but hopium though. The narrative of the fight was fully resolved in this chapter.
Jimbe vs Who's Who:
Franky vs Sasaki:
Sanji vs Queen:
I'd love for Queen to stand up and then power himself up with some monstrous plague that surpasses even the Ice Oni.
I think that's nothing but hopium though. The narrative of the fight was fully resolved in this chapter.
And people said the same thing about 1031 which is kind of funny. It looked pretty climactic too, even if it didn't resolve plotwork. The point is, previous examples can't really be used to determine anything.
He can get up next chapter, or he stays down and nobody can prove otherwise until it happens
@Cinera
Look at Franky VS Fukuro
This was the conclusion of Chapter 404 with the VS title. It very much could have also just been this one chapter alone. It resolves the entire little feud Franky and Fuku had with each other. It showed that he outclassed Fuku in that moment. You get Fuku's unconscious face AND Franky's badass dialogue and closeup.
And yet....fight continues in chapters 405 and 406.
Yes, you could 150% right and the fight could be over, I'm just pointing out that there really aren't "rules" to what constitutes a villain getting up or not. The F6 could have gotten up again, but they didn't because Oda felt that what they showed was enough to defeat them. Does he feel the same way about Queen? We can't know until we see how next chapter starts/ends.
Look at Franky VS Fukuro
This was the conclusion of Chapter 404 with the VS title. It very much could have also just been this one chapter alone. It resolves the entire little feud Franky and Fuku had with each other. It showed that he outclassed Fuku in that moment. You get Fuku's unconscious face AND Franky's badass dialogue and closeup.
And yet....fight continues in chapters 405 and 406.
Yes, you could 150% right and the fight could be over, I'm just pointing out that there really aren't "rules" to what constitutes a villain getting up or not. The F6 could have gotten up again, but they didn't because Oda felt that what they showed was enough to defeat them. Does he feel the same way about Queen? We can't know until we see how next chapter starts/ends.
@Cinera
Look at Franky VS Fukuro
This was the conclusion of Chapter 404 with the VS title. It very much could have also just been this one chapter alone. It resolves the entire little feud Franky and Fuku had with each other. It showed that he outclassed Fuku in that moment. You get Fuku's unconscious face AND Franky's badass dialogue and closeup.
And yet....fight continues in chapters 405 and 406.
Yes, you could 150% right and the fight could be over, I'm just pointing out that there really aren't "rules" to what constitutes a villain getting up or not. The F6 could have gotten up again, but they didn't because Oda felt that what they showed was enough to defeat them. Does he feel the same way about Queen? We can't know until we see how next chapter starts/ends.
Look at Franky VS Fukuro
This was the conclusion of Chapter 404 with the VS title. It very much could have also just been this one chapter alone. It resolves the entire little feud Franky and Fuku had with each other. It showed that he outclassed Fuku in that moment. You get Fuku's unconscious face AND Franky's badass dialogue and closeup.
And yet....fight continues in chapters 405 and 406.
Yes, you could 150% right and the fight could be over, I'm just pointing out that there really aren't "rules" to what constitutes a villain getting up or not. The F6 could have gotten up again, but they didn't because Oda felt that what they showed was enough to defeat them. Does he feel the same way about Queen? We can't know until we see how next chapter starts/ends.
u got bodied with wsw
u gonna get bodied with Lueen to
he s done