Character Discussion Is Sanji a Supernova?

Is Sanji a Supernova? Is Supernova/super rookie title obtainable for pirates inside the New World?

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Doggo

Doggo

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That's what happens when vague definitions are thrown by an author that feeds on fueling useless debates.

The only "rock solid" thing is "a supernova is a rookie pirate that reaches a 100+ Million bounty".

The thing about Sabaody is that it is a common check point before entering the New World, so they tend to gather there.

Now we have the things are are made up and we have no confirmation.
- For how long does one stays as a rookie? 1 year? 2 years? 5? 10? Does someone needs some kind of special rite of passage to graduate as non-rookie?
- Do you need to reach the 100+ Million bounty in Sabaody? Can you get there with 99 Million, go back to some random island, get the 100+ and go back and still be called Supernova?
- If somehow you skip sabaody, either because you have an eternal pose and a submarine or whatever, and have a 100+ bounty, do you not become a Supernova just because you didn't stop at Sabaody? And if it is necessary, do you have to stay there for more than 1 minute?
- Can a New World rookie get a 100+ Million bounty, go back to Paradise, reach Sabaody and become a Supernova? And just because he doest do so, he isn't one?



See how dumb and useless this debate is?
11 supernovas from 2 years ago, plus a few extra.
The 11 ones and Blackbeard form the Worst Gen.
That's all that is pivotal to the story.
Sanji is on par or even stronger than some of them already. It's a plot device, not power one.
 
Hedfi

Hedfi

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#142
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ZoroSlaysDragonTuna said:
Sanji not being a super nova is literally the point of this whole thread.
A super nova is a rookie who gets to sabaody with a bounty of 100M or over that. It was shown multiple times in the manga that thats what a super nova is.

If you think i am incorrect then show me one time in the whole manga where a person who didnt arrive to sabaody with 100m or more for the first time was called a super rookie. If not then you are the person who is coming with the head canon.

Sanji is not a super nova.
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People want to debate stop saying the same thing like i said if you dont like the debate then go away.
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Yeah maybe Sanji is what started this debate but he's not my main focus from the beginning. I even said that Usopp whould be considered a super rookie as he's a rookie with a bounty over 100mil.

My main focus from the beginning was to confirm what's considered a SN canonically. I don't even care if Sanji should be called supernova or not. That's just something superfecial to me.

And in the canon a SN is a rookie with over 100mil bounty. That's it. Nowhere was it stated that you should reach Sabaody to be considered a SN. Anything I add to this, is headcanon.
 
ZoroSlaysDragonTuna

ZoroSlaysDragonTuna

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Hedfi said:
Yeah maybe Sanji is what started this debate but he's not my main focus from the beginning. I even said that Usopp whould be considered a super rookie as he's a rookie with a bounty over 100mil.

My main focus from the beginning was to confirm what's considered a SN canonically. I don't even care if Sanji should be called supernova or not. That's just something superfecial to me.

And in the canon a SN is a rookie with over 100mil bounty. That's it. Nowhere was it stated that you should reach Sabaody to be considered a SN. Anything I add to this, is headcanon.
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these are the majority of the instances that the term Super nova was used:




* In SBS 81>
Oda here while WCI was going still refereed to the rookies from 2 years ago as the same 11 rookies that were included in the original supernovas. Is anyone else grouped with them?

In all of these SBS Oda refers to the super novas as the original 11 that were introduced in sabaody and never included anyone else with them, Sometimes he excludes Zoro and Luffy because he gave the answer somewhere else. But ever includes anyone else.

This is not a coincidence, This is because these are the only supernovas from that generation. There are no more Supernovas from that generation.

Once you are in the new world you are not a rookie any more.

This is where supernovas was explained:

*We know Shakky was talking about the SuperNovas here because the title of this same chapter is 11 SuperNovas. She is practically explaining what is a supernova without saying she is. But as readers we know this based of the chapter title on the cover.


-She continues to explain what a supernova is:


*then we were introduced to this generations Super novas:

*Well you asked why is bartolomeo?

Simple answer like i highlighted its true hes a supernova but its also true he entered to the new world as a rookie of more than 100M bount, 150M bounty to be exact.


* To prove this furthermore Bellamy Pretimeskip had a bounty of 55M and was called a heavywight rookie :

*But in the same Arc that cavandish Bartolomeo and the other Super Rookies from that generation who were introduced as superrookies Bellamy was never introduced as one even thought at the point he had a bounty of over 100M, 195M to be exact:


* Bellamy was a rookie aswell we know that as i proved before but he didnt qualify as a superrookie as the others, This literally proves that not every rookie that gets to a 100m+ bounty is called a superrookie. there is no better proof than this. Furthermore this proves the Shakky's Explanation about what a super rookie is, Because this means that Bellamy only got his 195M Bounty after he crossed to the new world for the first time.

Just incase you ask how do you know that bellamy crossed to the new world before his bounty increase:

I wont go too much into detail with this but to make it short, We learned that Bellamy was forced to fight his crewmate then he went straight to Jaya "skyisland". After that he brought the golden bell from Jaya to doffy. What happens in jaya doesnt reach the Sea under so what ever he did there wouldnt have raised he bounty. And he went to Doffy to bring him the bell which means he crossed to the new world to meet Doffy with the same bounty he had when he met Luffy and Zoro at Mock town (55M), And that he had his increase after.


*Conclusion :

With logic, different SBS's Manga panels and more importantly Shakky's explanation we can conclude that a SuperNova is a rookie who arrived a sabaody with a bounty of 100M and more.

Now if you can disprove this then give me one panel where a rookie other than any of the rookies who arrived at the new world with a bounty of 100m=+ was ever called a supernova. Not even blackbeard was ever called one, And he has a bounty of over 2M. No other rookie was called a supernova other than the people who arrived at Sabaody with 100m=+ bounty. It could be from different generations but he has to have got to Sabaody with 100M or more bounty.

And yes by the way this means that Sanji is not a supernova.
 
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