Future Events Is Sanji vs Beckman the new beat ?

[Paperchampion23]

Got nothing else to say about it after this point, just think about it in a logical way instead of "muh powerscale":

- Shanks and Mihawk are heavily tied to Luffy and Zoro and to each other

- Mihawk just lost his Shichibukai position.

- The crew fights enemy factions. That mean antagonosts that fit within one associated crew or group.

- That means Mihawk really can't justifiably fight in any faction outside of Shanks', because Blackbeard already has his "Zoro" archetype and he just got removed from the WG/Marine side of the equation, he quite literally does not fit anywhere else. Proof of this is essentially Kaido, Orochi and Big Mom. Not one SH crew member is fighting her, Orochi, Fuku or fought Peros. They were all localized to Kaido's side.

- We know justifiably zero major motives from Shanks at this point, so to say he won't legitimately fight Luffy when Luffy has stated he wants to fight him makes no sense to me.

- Really in no scenario is Zoro going to get a special exclusive fight outside of the confines of the story. The story is about Luffy. It makes zero sense to deliver emotional payoff AFTER everything is over.


This is why imo, Mihawk is best left to allying with Shanks, because it's what logically makes most sense from a storytelling/character perspective.

And this is why, yes, Sanji vs Beckman can happen on principle that he fights effectively the #3 in the "faction" because Shanks/Mihawk are the top two (and am not getting into that argument on who's stronger, just read the story)

 

[Kingslayer]

Ben is too cool and badass for oda to give him sanji

 

[Finalbeta]

No, because there is actually logic behind this one (not from the OP) unlike Sanji vs King

Faulty logic you mean?

 

[Lor D. Coast]

Really in no scenario is Zoro going to get a special exclusive fight outside of the confines of the story

Zoro is part of the story and gets exclusive treatment.

The story is about Luffy

You're so limited that your new cope is that no one can have any individuality, not even Zoro. Muh Luffy MC.

 

[Paperchampion23]

Zoro is part of the story and gets exclusive treatment.

You're so limited that your new cope is that no one can have any individuality, not even Zoro. Muh Luffy MC.

Except he really doesn't get special treatment lmao.

This isn't about "individuality", this is about the expectation that Zoro vs Mihawk will randomly happen outside of the confines of the main plot, which is frankly the worst take I've ever seen on this forum. Far worse than ZKK which actually has had some backing to it in the past I admit. There is NOTHING in this story implying Zoro will fight Mihawk after everything is done. The story will end with Luffy, just as it started with Luffy, because thats how you write a story that HAS an MC.

I quite literally see people here post future matchups for the Strawhats, and while everyone gets the same number, Zoro magically gets 1 over them because of Mihawk. This is because people here can't process Mihawk at all being associated with Shanks post-Wano lmao.


And FYI, I am a bigger Zoro fan than I am a Luffy fan. You can ask users like @Sigran101 that. I just don't dicksuck the character like half this forum does

 

[Lor D. Coast]

Except he really doesn't get special treatment lmao.

This isn't about "individuality", this is about the expectation that Zoro vs Mihawk will randomly happen outside of the confines of the main plot, which is frankly the worst take I've ever seen on this forum. Far worse than ZKK which actually has had some backing to it in the past I admit. There is NOTHING in this story implying Zoro will fight Mihawk after everything is done. The story will end with Luffy, just as it started with Luffy, because thats how you write a story that HAS an MC.

I quite literally see people here post future matchups for the Strawhats, and while everyone gets the same number, Zoro magically gets 1 over them because of Mihawk. This is because people here can't process Mihawk at all being associated with Shanks post-Wano lmao.


And FYI, I am a bigger Zoro fan than I am a Luffy fan. You can ask users like @Sigran101 that. I just don't dicksuck the character like half this forum does

Zoro gets special treatment, WSS is Zoro's goal and a main plot, and yes Luffy and Zoro get more fights than the remaining SHs and will continue to get.

 

[Paperchampion23]

Zoro gets special treatment, WSS is Zoro's goal and a main plot, and yes Luffy and Zoro get more fights than the remaining SHs and will continue to get.

So like I said, where Mihawk is fought, Luffy would probably also have a fight (and probably Sanji if he's involved).

Seriously, try and associate Mihawk with a faction outside of Shanks. He's highly likely not riding solo to the end of the series. Oda LOVES combining plot points (Wano resolving 5 supernova, 2 Yonko, Orochi, Marines, CP-0 stuff, etc etc) and will most definitely do so to the final arc.

Marines/WG just removed his position and both technically have swordsman or sword users (i.e at worst like King). Blackbeard has Shiryu. I'm just stating the obvious, because Benn Beckman is not a swordsman/user/whatever.

 

[Lor D. Coast]

So like I said, where Mihawk is fought, Luffy would probably also have a fight (and probably Sanji if he's involved).

Seriously, try and associate Mihawk with a faction outside of Shanks. He's highly likely not riding solo to the end of the series. Oda LOVES combining plot points (Wano resolving 5 supernova, 2 Yonko, Orochi, Marines, CP-0 stuff, etc etc) and will most definitely do so to the final arc.

Marines/WG just removed his position and both technically have swordsman or sword users (i.e at worst like King). Blackbeard has Shiryu. I'm just stating the obvious, because Benn Beckman is not a swordsman/user/whatever.

Who did the other SHs fight when Zoro was fighting Hawkins, Denjiro, Gyukimaru, Kamazo and Gyukimaru, Gyukimaru again, the Orochi Oniwabanshu, fodder, Yonkou and King? I'll answer for you, no one, come Onigashima and most of them only interacted with fodder and their one and only match up.

 

[Paperchampion23]

Who did the other SHs fight when Zoro was fighting Hawkins, Denjiro, Gyukimaru, Kamazo and Gyukimaru, Gyukimaru again, the Orochi Oniwabanshu, fodder, Yonkou and King? I'll answer for you, no one, come Onigashima and most of them only interacted with fodder and their one and only match up.

Are you really comparing random fights pre-climax as an argument to justify Mihawk being fought alone

Other people fought others prior to Onigashima lmao

 

[Lor D. Coast]

Other people fought others prior to Onigashima

"Other people fought fodder and a F6 while Zoro only had 20 different fights against named characters, s-so you're wrong again!"
You're really this bothered that Zoro has an endgame fight that you can't move past the fact that no one else but Luffy will have more than 2/3 fights till the EoS.

 

[Paperchampion23]

"Other people fought fodder and a F6 while Zoro only had 20 different fights against named characters, s-so you're wrong again!"
You're really this bothered that Zoro has an endgame fight that you can't move past the fact that no one else but Luffy will have more than 2/3 fights till the EoS.

? But that entirely supports my point. If Mihawk is fought by Zoro, then Luffy will fight someone right after, because thats what happens. Thats what I'm talking about. In order for that to happen, Mihawk will likely be associated with a group that they are all fighting, becuase that's typically how Oda operates.

Its not about "everyone getting a fight" or Zoro getting into random named character battles that he didn't even finish (like, what does this have to do with the argument lmao). Its about any matchup having close association with another matchup. Mihawk will not be a standalone thing, he will be tied into the plot with other characters just like any other character in this series.

 

[Finalbeta]

I'm looking forward the time the Red Hair Pirates are arguably vanquished by the BB Pirates and these foolish talks come to a quit

 

[Lifeismeh]

Who did the other SHs fight when Zoro was fighting Hawkins, Denjiro, Gyukimaru, Kamazo and Gyukimaru, Gyukimaru again, the Orochi Oniwabanshu, fodder, Yonkou and King? I'll answer for you, no one, come Onigashima and most of them only interacted with fodder and their one and only match up.

stop denying the obvious

why would Zoro even care about fighting Mihawk at EoS when a huge war is happening and the world is in danger? the fight doesn't fit in that plot

Mihawk lost his rival shanks, than pushed Zoro to be his new rival

Shanks pushed Luffy to challenge him and be pirate King

similar relationships and all characters are tied together, obviously Oda will handle them all in the same arc

the place is obviously a very hyped island that fit the build up, the final island in the grand line , basically at the end of the world

I've said this years ago but nice many people are coming around for the idea

 

[BleakAsh]

Sanji’s early design

btw if you read Oda's One shot Wanted! which is his debut one shot..

Sanji's character is derived from Gill Bastar the most wanted guns man in the town.. hence in his early design sanji wields 2 revolvers seemingly.

this says alot about sanji's future as the most trouble some strawhat

 

[Zoro the badass god]

Sanjitards want sanji to be zoro when sanji only on usopp level(if usopp get his daddy help usopp will be sanji level right now)

Sanjitards never stop being clown(how they live in this world with that pig level of brain

 

[roronoa_fan]

Sanji Won't Fight Ben Beckman

Zoro Won't Fight Ben Beckman

There will be no fight with the Red Hair Pirates

At most Luffy and Shanks exchange a Sparring, the others will just talk.

 

[Cinera]

But yeah totally agreed lol, it's funny how few people see this point made about Mihawk. He needs more depth and to play a role in coming events.

Nah, even many Zoro fans believe that Zoro will fight Mihawk at Elbaf when the Strawhats confront the Red Hair Pirates.

And outside the Zoro fan base it's incredibly popular.

I think Zoro fighting a swordsman like Shiryu after Mihawk is dumb, but many people disagree.

 

[BleakAsh]

Only way Sanji is fighting Beckman is if Zoro fights Shanks or Mihawk

The whole "Zoro will be out for the whole arc" is such major bullshit. Zoro has never been sidelined for a whole arc during which the Straw Hats got major fights, let alone against a Yonko crew. I mean the Straw Hats would be straight retarded to take on Shanks' crew without Zoro

zoro's condition is ALOT worse than TB or post TB..

unless sanji helps him with his cooking even then i doubt zoro would recover fully till RHP show up.

its possible SHP face off without zoro we already have someone like Yamato joining in case sanji faces Ben.. so she'll face Lucky Roux

Zoro isn't getting side lines.. if oda has him rest up while someone looks over him.. in the arc then its no biggo

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Ben is too cool and badass for oda to give him sanji

reverse psychology i c

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Sanji Won't Fight Ben Beckman

Zoro Won't Fight Ben Beckman

There will be no fight with the Red Hair Pirates

At most Luffy and Shanks exchange a Sparring, the others will just talk.

Hypothetically speaking that is

but still that's possible as well

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or.. SHP and RHP will have a Roger Pirates and WBP parallel fighting for days

fantasies

 

[Paperchampion23]

Sanji Won't Fight Ben Beckman

Zoro Won't Fight Ben Beckman

There will be no fight with the Red Hair Pirates

At most Luffy and Shanks exchange a Sparring, the others will just talk.

Frankly boggles my mind people still say this after every red flag Shanks has given and how close we are to the endgame. Luffy wants to fight Shanks and has said it multiple times. Read the manga guys lmao

 

[roronoa_fan]

Frankly boggles my mind people still say this after every red flag Shanks has given and how close we are to the endgame. Luffy wants to fight Shanks and has said it multiple times. Read the manga guys lmao

Did I say for sure that Luffy won't fight Shanks? No, read it again this time carefully. I just stated for sure that neither Zoro nor Sanji will fight Ben Beckman because there will be no fight between the crew.

Or do you think Zoro who weakened from taking double the damage dealt by Kaido, Big Mom and King will still beat Ben Beckman or Mihawk. He will spend the entire Elbaf at rest.