Questions & Mysteries Is the Blackbeard Crew too weak for EOS opponent?

[Garp the Fist]

They are all EoS characters, and they are all linked to people from the past that Imu is obsessed with.

Joy Boy - Luffy
Davy Jones - Blackbeard
Vivi - Lily
Shirahoshi - original Poseidon

Rocks is only a part of Blackbeard’s story. Blackbeard’s still deeply tied to the Void Century lore through Davy Jones, and we aren’t finding the truth of that until Laugh Tale.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

They are all EoS characters, and they are all linked to people from the past that Imu is obsessed with.

Joy Boy - Luffy
Davy Jones - Blackbeard
Vivi - Lily
Shirahoshi - original Poseidon

Rocks is only a part of Blackbeard’s story. Blackbeard’s still deeply tied to the Void Century lore through Davy Jones, and we aren’t finding the truth of that until Laugh Tale.

@Sir Yasheen Thoughts?

 

[Sir Yasheen]

@Sir Yasheen Thoughts?

I’m not saying BB can’t be important EOS, but the villain is Imu. It’s possible after Luffy beats BB he gets a slight redemption and helps Luffy defeat Imu like Croc did in Marineford but he won’t be Luffys final fight

 

[Shyneseru]

I’m not saying BB can’t be important EOS, but the villain is Imu. It’s possible after Luffy beats BB he gets a slight redemption and helps Luffy defeat Imu like Croc did in Marineford but he won’t be Luffys final fight

What is he Imu going to do if Gunko is saved by Brook, and he doesn't have a vessel anymore ? He obviously can't get out of the castle for some reason, but we know Mariejoie is getting invaded. I'm 99% sure Imu is cooked unless Vivi gets kidnapped last minute.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

What is he Imu going to do if Gunko is saved by Brook, and he doesn't have a vessel anymore ? He obviously can't get out of the castle for some reason, but we know Mariejoie is getting invaded. I'm 99% sure Imu is cooked unless Vivi gets kidnapped last minute.

He’ll find another vessel if needed. It’s clearly not a hard process for him.

Imu isn’t cooked. Have you ever read a story where the ancient evil from the past gets defeated before the final arc?

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

I’m not saying BB can’t be important EOS, but the villain is Imu. It’s possible after Luffy beats BB he gets a slight redemption and helps Luffy defeat Imu like Croc did in Marineford but he won’t be Luffys final fight

I doubt it, BB will likely kill Imu after he's weakened from fighting Luffy then Luffy will fight him in Hachinosu with Koby as a mirror to God Valley.

 

[Shyneseru]

He’ll find another vessel if needed. It’s clearly not a hard process for him.

Imu isn’t cooked. Have you ever read a story where the ancient evil from the past gets defeated before the final arc?

That's precisely what Oda likes to do, make the reader believe he got it all figured, just to change everything last minute.

 

[MonsterKaido]

Imu definitely feels like the main villain of one piece. The primordial tyrant who has been ruling the world for centuries and root cause of all evil in the word.

BB at the end is part of that system given even his origin as a villain is indirectly caused by great imu.

BB taking imu's power and replacing him while possible won't make him the main villain of OP in general as he doesn't shoulder all evils done to the world for decades.

 

[DonWick]

When you look at the Strawhat pirates, which is who they will fight. They are more than strong enough, because the Strawhat crew outside of Luffy and Zoro are pretty underwhelming.

 

[Robin swan]

The bb pirates are the road to pk. They are great to be the last pirate v pirate fight for the sh's. Bb crew isn't weak and is likely stronger than every other yonko crew currently. Problem is that crew isn't strong enough to challenge the wg like eos luffy and the sh's will. Imu and wg are likely the eos opponents not bb crew. If eos sh's fought the bb pirates they'd win alot easier than at the end of yonko saga.

 

[dirtyLarry]

I honestly don't know which route Oda will go, but I personally think Blackbeard as real final villain over Imu would be a bad choice.

Sure, Blackbeard is the most stereotype pirate in the series and therefore primed to be Luffy's main pirate rival (it's a series about pirates at its core after all). Same with his crew of ugly pirate basterds.

However, the moment Oda decided to introduce a tyrannical world government with a primordial "God"/"Devil" ruling as king of the world (who basically created this whole world and now tries to sink it), the deal was sealed.

The latter is just so much more important in the overall context of the world, you can't sell me BB as final villain anymore.

Even if Oda decided to go the Blackbeard route, it just won't feel like the final villain.

He is completely insignificant in the lore of the One Piece world (only relevant as a pirate for 2 years, whereas Imu has been the literal dictator of the world for 800+ years) and also doesn't mean anything to the vast majority of citizens in the OP world (99.9% haven't been affected by Blackbeard at all, whereas everyone basically lives in "Imu's dystopia world" under the reign of the CDs).

 

[Wh1p]

Nah Oda said the exact opposite.
''Pinguin and Shachi were supposed to be there but Bepo in Sulong is way too strong and had to put him.''
I'm paraphrasing but that's the gist of it.

It's a case by case basis. Just because that was the reasoning for the Heart pirates doesn't mean it's the reasoning for the BBP.

If Kizaru joined the straw hats, he wouldn't take Zoro's role just because he's stronger.

the Garp fight made it clear who the strongest subordinate is.

 

[Juanpiz]

It's a case by case basis. Just because that was the reasoning for the Heart pirates doesn't mean it's the reasoning for the BBP.

If Kizaru joined the straw hats, he wouldn't take Zoro's role just because he's stronger.

the Garp fight made it clear who the strongest subordinate is.

Vasco Shot

 

[LolonoisZolo]

It's a case by case basis. Just because that was the reasoning for the Heart pirates doesn't mean it's the reasoning for the BBP.

If Kizaru joined the straw hats, he wouldn't take Zoro's role just because he's stronger.

the Garp fight made it clear who the strongest subordinate is.

What made it clear is Oda drawing all #2 and gave an example of why he drew one of them instead of ''what should have been'' and the reason was strength.
Why would you or I nitpick what the author draws and comments ?
What does ''Zoro's role'' have to do with the conversation ? We're talking strength, not role.
The Garp fight made what clear exactly ?

 

[Wh1p]

What made it clear is Oda drawing all #2 and gave an example of why he drew one of them instead of ''what should have been'' and the reason was strength.
Why would you or I nitpick what the author draws and comments ?
What does ''Zoro's role'' have to do with the conversation ? We're talking strength, not role.
The Garp fight made what clear exactly ?

Kuzan wasn't even introduced as a titanic captain when that drawing was made so I'm not sure why you're using it.

Oda's SBS said he chose the number 2s of each crew as he saw fit. His basis for why Bepo is number 2 isn't the same as another crew. It can only be used to explain why he is the number 2. You can't extrapolate that to other crews.

 

[LolonoisZolo]

Kuzan wasn't even introduced as a titanic captain when that drawing was made so I'm not sure why you're using it.

Oda's SBS said he chose the number 2s of each crew as he saw fit. His basis for why Bepo is number 2 isn't the same as another crew. It can only be used to explain why he is the number 2. You can't extrapolate that to other crews.

The argument that says ''Kuzan wasn't introduced officialy yet'' isn't receivable as it was revealed in FI/PH Kuzan was already a bb member.
Ok but according to you, what was Shiryu doing in that colorspread as #2 ?

 

[Shyneseru]

The argument that says ''Kuzan wasn't introduced officialy yet'' isn't receivable as it was revealed in FI/PH Kuzan was already a bb member.
Ok but according to you, what was Shiryu doing in that colorspread as #2 ?

Shiryu saved Teech's life and the entire crew just because he liked their vibes. In some way he also kind of has the same origin as Zoro since he was in jail before Impel down got invaded and BB gave him a new purpose. Oda is not gonna put Kuzan as Vice captain because that would mean Zoro fights someone that isn't a swordman and that wouldn't serve any purpose to the story, right ? King ?

 

[Yoho]

To weak for the full force of Luffys empire, crew, fleet and allies included

I think so unless BB pirates get a massive glow up

However they're the perfect strength for the unlikely alliance between

Sword- who need to rescue Garp and give Koby his legendary moment in history
Heart pirates- some of them got captured after the Law vs BB fight, Law won't just abandon his crew
Rememnants of big mom pirates - pudding was kidnapped ain't no way her family is letting that slide, especially Katakuri

And then we have dark horses that may not necessarily be apart of the alliance but still their for their own reasons

Weevil to spin back for whitebeard

Moriah for Absomlom

 

[Welkin]

I really don’t see how they could be EOS opponents without Oda ass pulling them to insane levels

Like BB has the narrative but his subordinates are scrubs

Half of the Titanic Captains were effortlessly oneshot by Aokiji and an Old Garp was running the gauntlet against them

I know I’ll annoy the Zoro defense force but I genuinely have a hard time believing Zoro’s gonna go extreme diff with someone that Old Garp had leaking with a hakiless throw

The Strawhats are progressing fast and the Titanic Captains still seem pretty meh even after eating strong devil fruits

 

[LolonoisZolo]

Shiryu saved Teech's life and the entire crew just because he liked their vibes. In some way he also kind of has the same origin as Zoro since he was in jail before Impel down got invaded and BB gave him a new purpose. Oda is not gonna put Kuzan as Vice captain because that would mean Zoro someone that isn't a swordman and that wouldn't serve any purpose to the story, right ? King ?

Ok so the spread was about vice captains ?

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Our CONFIRMED number 2s

From the official One Piece account on Twitter/X

https://x.com/OPcom_info/status/1971062445516222631

Coincidentally, the very same characters featured on the OP chapter 1031 color spread of the number 2s... that Oda later confirmed was about the second strongest members of certain groups/organizations

It's "almost" as these guys actually are the number 2s of their respective organizations 🤷🏻‍♂️

@Sir Yasheen @Wh1p @Shyneseru where do we go from here ?