Is there a single fictional character that can defeat EOS Bobobo?

[Tomu]

I think people here are failing to acknowledge that Bobobo can just transmutate all of existence into Kryptonite and Supes is done for. He can delete Superman the second he feels any emotions. He can destroy the sun and remove Supes' source of power to begin with. Every single one of Bobobo's feats > any version of Supes except Superman Prime and even then it is only the physical feats where Superman Prime tops Bo. The problem for Superman is still the fact he cannot reality warp but Bo can. Bo is literally Mr Mxyzptlk on steroids and Superman has never found a way to beat him in a fair fight.

A general rule of thumb in powerscaling of any kind is that as soon as a character can reality warp, only fellow reality warpers with greater power can beat them one on one with rare exceptions but those exceptions will have powers like Multi-versal scale matter manipulation etc. not ooga booga I can take and dish out hard punches and lift planes. Even reversing the rotation of the earth which is Superman (not Primes) most impressive feat is meaningless in this discussion - it doesn't even register.

Anyway, the other thing in this thread I find concerning is people don't realize the whole point of Saitama is he is an ironic take on Shounens strongest characters and the whole point of his existence is nothing can or ever will be a threat to him. He is immune to all damage of any kind and all powers of any kind. includes the OPMVs literal 'God' equivalent. He is a God tier character and out of reach of 99.999999999999999999% of fiction, including any version of superman. Essentially Saitama is always as strong as he needs to be no matter who he fights, be it Bobobo, any of your weak ass versions of Superman or even guys like MAU Goku. Saitama just wins by default, that's how he works.

I was hoping we could deep-dive into characters like Lucifer Morningstar, Eclipso, the Marquis of Death, Zeno etc. to see if there were things I didn't know about these completely broken characters; not SuPeRmAn. Superman shouldn't even be in the conversation, not even close. If he were I wouldn't have made this thread.

So far we've seen just ONE suggestion that I know little about and am intrigued to know more about that actually answers the question

Lol Bleachtards would say “Yhwach would win”. OT: Many Shonens get decimated. The only verse that might compete due to hax is Medaka Box. Other than that, only extremely powerful characters that see dimensional constructs as fiction like Umineko Witches would be able to beat him.

So what exactly can Umineko Witches do? Also which verse are they from?


Yours sincerely, someone who knows their shit about DC comics.

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If we can choose any version of Superman, well Superman wins since he's got Cosmic Armor / Thought Robot mode.

Absolutely not my dude

Let me put it this way:
Let's just use approximated Dragonball Powerlevels here for ease:
Every single form of Superman with the exception of Prime version has a power level less than 1 million or so. Prime superman gets surpassed by the time we look at characters like Buu, and while we don't know exact powerlevels for this, fanscalers put (and i generally agree) Buu's power in the low 10s of billions, or in other words over 1million times stronger than Superman.

Now, when we get to the Gods, again, we cant really quantify these power levels at all. But I'd wager it would take thousands of x the power Buu has to even come close to the Gods in the DB verse.

And yet in that entire verse only the reality warping Angels, Grandmaster and Zeno even have the powers equipped to not die instantly against Bobobo.

Superman of any version is such a stupid suggestion. He is MILLIONS if not BILLIONS of times weaker than Bo - i'm not sure people can even visualise it. Bo's been hit by attacks that destroy universes and lived. Superman is not even an ant to Bo.

Bo is permanently prepared for any fight he will ever face and can alter past events to do this - he can even use Ganeme to turn Cosmic Armour etc. into sunglasses and completely depower superman. He is immune to all abilities that effect humans if he transforms. He can summon a character more powerful than Superman. He has speed feats that put him at over 3500x light speed while not using his max speed, whereas only a few versions of Superman register on the light speed scale at all.

I stg, whenever people mention Superman they just assume he wins and say so. Most versions of Superman would sit fine in the One Piece verse and wouldn't even reach the top tier characters. The few exceptions don't even scale to Nappa in DBZ and the even fewer exceptions that do are still magnitudes of billions beneath Bobobo. Superman doesn't auto-win against these characters.

Or to put it another way:
Any version of Superman that is not prime stops being a threat as soon as we reach planetary level characters, and may I remind you Bobobo punched through the sun and this was one of his first battles in the story when he was 1000s of times weaker than he is by the end.

Prime however stops being a threat when we bring any form of reality warping powers into consideration and again, Bobobo has numerous reality warping feats. Some are on universal scale. Dude literally changed the laws of physics and the dynamics of life and death in a universe his opponent created because he thought it was funny!

 

[LordofCinder]

I’m confident Bobobo can outgag Saitama. The only character that I remember being immune to backstory manipulation was Gintoki from Gintama.
people that can beat Bobobo though, hmm, I would argue Azathoth, whatever Bobobo can pull off, to Azathoth, he’s such a figment of his imagination, whom he cannot harm.

 

[The White Crane]

*Not including 'god'/equivalents such as The One Above All etc.*

Here's a list of Bobobo's abilities (not exhaustive) which stem from his martial art, Hajike, which centers around being unreasonable and weird to the point of impossibility:



So can anyone other than characters who are eventually God themselves defeat him? Some people on other forums seem to think Superman can

Bobobo sounds like a blinkstomp material for Classic Molecule Man or Classic Beyonder.

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I think people here are failing to acknowledge that Bobobo can just transmutate all of existence into Kryptonite and Supes is done for. He can delete Superman the second he feels any emotions. He can destroy the sun and remove Supes' source of power to begin with. Every single one of Bobobo's feats > any version of Supes except Superman Prime and even then it is only the physical feats where Superman Prime tops Bo. The problem for Superman is still the fact he cannot reality warp but Bo can. Bo is literally Mr Mxyzptlk on steroids and Superman has never found a way to beat him in a fair fight.

A general rule of thumb in powerscaling of any kind is that as soon as a character can reality warp, only fellow reality warpers with greater power can beat them one on one with rare exceptions but those exceptions will have powers like Multi-versal scale matter manipulation etc. not ooga booga I can take and dish out hard punches and lift planes. Even reversing the rotation of the earth which is Superman (not Primes) most impressive feat is meaningless in this discussion - it doesn't even register.

Anyway, the other thing in this thread I find concerning is people don't realize the whole point of Saitama is he is an ironic take on Shounens strongest characters and the whole point of his existence is nothing can or ever will be a threat to him. He is immune to all damage of any kind and all powers of any kind. includes the OPMVs literal 'God' equivalent. He is a God tier character and out of reach of 99.999999999999999999% of fiction, including any version of superman. Essentially Saitama is always as strong as he needs to be no matter who he fights, be it Bobobo, any of your weak ass versions of Superman or even guys like MAU Goku. Saitama just wins by default, that's how he works.

I was hoping we could deep-dive into characters like Lucifer Morningstar, Eclipso, the Marquis of Death, Zeno etc. to see if there were things I didn't know about these completely broken characters; not SuPeRmAn. Superman shouldn't even be in the conversation, not even close. If he were I wouldn't have made this thread.

So far we've seen just ONE suggestion that I know little about and am intrigued to know more about that actually answers the question

So what exactly can Umineko Witches do? Also which verse are they from?


Yours sincerely, someone who knows their shit about DC comics.

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Absolutely not my dude

Let me put it this way:
Let's just use approximated Dragonball Powerlevels here for ease:
Every single form of Superman with the exception of Prime version has a power level less than 1 million or so. Prime superman gets surpassed by the time we look at characters like Buu, and while we don't know exact powerlevels for this, fanscalers put (and i generally agree) Buu's power in the low 10s of billions, or in other words over 1million times stronger than Superman.

Now, when we get to the Gods, again, we cant really quantify these power levels at all. But I'd wager it would take thousands of x the power Buu has to even come close to the Gods in the DB verse.

And yet in that entire verse only the reality warping Angels, Grandmaster and Zeno even have the powers equipped to not die instantly against Bobobo.

Superman of any version is such a stupid suggestion. He is MILLIONS if not BILLIONS of times weaker than Bo - i'm not sure people can even visualise it. Bo's been hit by attacks that destroy universes and lived. Superman is not even an ant to Bo.

Bo is permanently prepared for any fight he will ever face and can alter past events to do this - he can even use Ganeme to turn Cosmic Armour etc. into sunglasses and completely depower superman. He is immune to all abilities that effect humans if he transforms. He can summon a character more powerful than Superman. He has speed feats that put him at over 3500x light speed while not using his max speed, whereas only a few versions of Superman register on the light speed scale at all.

I stg, whenever people mention Superman they just assume he wins and say so. Most versions of Superman would sit fine in the One Piece verse and wouldn't even reach the top tier characters. The few exceptions don't even scale to Nappa in DBZ and the even fewer exceptions that do are still magnitudes of billions beneath Bobobo. Superman doesn't auto-win against these characters.

Or to put it another way:
Any version of Superman that is not prime stops being a threat as soon as we reach planetary level characters, and may I remind you Bobobo punched through the sun and this was one of his first battles in the story when he was 1000s of times weaker than he is by the end.

Prime however stops being a threat when we bring any form of reality warping powers into consideration and again, Bobobo has numerous reality warping feats. Some are on universal scale. Dude literally changed the laws of physics and the dynamics of life and death in a universe his opponent created because he thought it was funny!

You're well-versed in DC? Ok, then, what's stopping Lucifer or Michael from lolstomping Bobobo?

 

[Tomu]

Bobobo sounds like a blinkstomp material for Classic Molecule Man or Classic Beyonder.

Except Bo has feats that surpass most of what Molecule Man can do - Molecule Man has been able to affect multiple universes, Bo has been able to affect an entire reality.

You're well-versed in DC? Ok, then, what's stopping Lucifer or Michael from lolstomping Bobobo?

The fact Bobobo is immune to any abilities that affect humans and can alter his opponents pasts - he's even done so to erase his opponent from exisence in the past which erased them in the present. This is what I mean - people just underestimating the fuck out of him. I think it's really a toss up of which ridiculously overpowered abilities amongst these characters scale higher/win out in a clash and it's hard to tell. For anyone to outdo him in reality warping for example need to have powers that span multiple realities aka multi-omniversal scaling. The only non-god characters in fiction I personally think *might* be able to defeat Bobobo are The Marquis of Death (Marvel - he scales far above the Beyonder, Owen Reese etc.), Kami Tenchi and the Chousin (from Tenchi Muyo) and some Saint Seiya characters. Saitama too but that's due to functional gag and not any actual feats.

 

[SakazOuki]

Zoro

 

[Tomu]

Zoro

I said no God characters

 

[The White Crane]

Except Bo has feats that surpass most of what Molecule Man can do - Molecule Man has been able to affect multiple universes, Bo has been able to affect an entire reality.


The fact Bobobo is immune to any abilities that affect humans and can alter his opponents pasts - he's even done so to erase his opponent from exisence in the past which erased them in the present. This is what I mean - people just underestimating the fuck out of him. I think it's really a toss up of which ridiculously overpowered abilities amongst these characters scale higher/win out in a clash and it's hard to tell. For anyone to outdo him in reality warping for example need to have powers that span multiple realities aka multi-omniversal scaling. The only non-god characters in fiction I personally think *might* be able to defeat Bobobo are The Marquis of Death (Marvel - he scales far above the Beyonder, Owen Reese etc.), Kami Tenchi and the Chousin (from Tenchi Muyo) and some Saint Seiya characters. Saitama too but that's due to functional gag and not any actual feats.

Classic Beyonder was literally beyond the concepts you mentioned Bobobo was capable of manipulating, dude. Why would he be afraid of mere reality warping or past/present manipulation or existential erasure?

If it's just existential erasure, Classic Beyonder literally did it (on an ultimate level, too) with a shrug:

There's also this problem if Bobobo wants to hurt him:

And, considering Lucifer & Michael created all those concepts Bobobo toyed with, naturally I would not entertain the possibility of Bobobo beating them since they far transcend those concepts, anyway.

 

[Cao Cao]

From Bastard!!: Dark Schneider, Uriel, Satanael (Fate manip might be the only problem)
From Magi: Sinbad, David, Ugo, Solomon
From Umineko: Starting up from the lower hierachy of Theory Goats
From Soul Cartel: Top Tiers like Gabramelek, Faust, Mephistopheles, etc.
From SMT: Basically starting with low tiers from the expanse such as Pixie and Jack Frost
Noteworthy verses also contains characters which can beat Bobobo: HCLW, Shinza Bansho/Dies Irae, Manifold, Tokyo Babel, The Dark Tower, Cthulhu Mythos, DC/Vertigo, Marvel, Image Comics, Ergenverse, Xeelee Sequence , DnD, I/O, Saint Seiya, Power Rangers, Demonbane, Noein, Puella Magi Madoka Magika,etc. There is so many more.

Dreamers(Proxima), Immortals(Ergan) ,Time Lords(Dr. Who), Et' Ada(TES), The Source walkers(DE), The Anisotorons(Seikaisuru Kado), Dhe Ehmns(A.E. verse), etc., etc., etc.

 

[Tomu]

From Bastard!!: Dark Schneider, Uriel, Satanael (Fate manip might be the only problem)
From Magi: Sinbad, David, Ugo, Solomon
From Umineko: Starting up from the lower hierachy of Theory Goats
From Soul Cartel: Top Tiers like Gabramelek, Faust, Mephistopheles, etc.
From SMT: Basically starting with low tiers from the expanse such as Pixie and Jack Frost
Noteworthy verses also contains characters which can beat Bobobo: HCLW, Shinza Bansho/Dies Irae, Manifold, Tokyo Babel, The Dark Tower, Cthulhu Mythos, DC/Vertigo, Marvel, Image Comics, Ergenverse, Xeelee Sequence , DnD, I/O, Saint Seiya, Power Rangers, Demonbane, Noein, Puella Magi Madoka Magika,etc. There is so many more.

Dreamers(Proxima), Immortals(Ergan) ,Time Lords(Dr. Who), Et' Ada(TES), The Source walkers(DE), The Anisotorons(Seikaisuru Kado), Dhe Ehmns(A.E. verse), etc., etc., etc.

But the question is do any of these characters exhibit emotions of any kind?
Many of these i'm familiar with and already didn't mention specifically because Bo has powers that would defeat them e.g. Timelords. Timelords are nothing on this scale as individuals. I don't consider an entire society/civilisation to be one character. On an individual level they're basically normal humans physically with a very small number of regens and easily circumvented if killed during their regeneration process. None of their technology that we are aware of comes close to what Bobobo and others like him are capable of - even timelocking and reality bombs - they're just minor feats to guys like Bobobo

Also wtf from Power Rangers can beat anyone even of planetary scale, let alone characters billions if not trillions of times more powerful???

I had no idea Magi characters got so powerful - i dropped it around the 200ch mark and that universe seemed to scale much closer to something like Naruto rather than cosmic dread. Characters like Bobobo and above are lovecraftian in scale and ability, beyond our own comprehension. What are the feats that these guys from Magi have?

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Classic Beyonder was literally beyond the concepts you mentioned Bobobo was capable of manipulating, dude. Why would he be afraid of mere reality warping or past/present manipulation or existential erasure?

If it's just existential erasure, Classic Beyonder literally did it (on an ultimate level, too) with a shrug:

There's also this problem if Bobobo wants to hurt him:

And, considering Lucifer & Michael created all those concepts Bobobo toyed with, naturally I would not entertain the possibility of Bobobo beating them since they far transcend those concepts, anyway.

Nothing within those panels displays anything beyond Bobobo though? This is my point. You're severely underestimating him. I don't care about if he can wipe away parts of a universe, that is NOTHING to Bobobo - he can rewrite the laws of existence. He can depower any and every opponent and is always prepared for fights with exactly what he needs to win even while unaware. He can even grant himself immunity and nothing in existence is immune to his own abilities. It's not even a matter of creating concepts and facets of reality vs using them; Bobobo's existence makes it so that even the creator of anything can be destroyed by their own creation.

Furthermore, Bobobo's fate manipulation and memory manipulation can make it so that he gifts himself whatever power is needed to win a fight. The only way a non-god character wins is if he is beyond any restriction of any conceivable kind and i'm sorry, but that even incudes characters that have experienced any kind of retcon during their history of publication - as Bobobo supercedes the 4th wall and is able to write his own fights too.

 

[Kami Burn]

From Umineko: Starting up from the lower hierachy of Theory Goats

Theory Goats stomps most verse under Multiverse lvl. Bringing them to the party is just unfair.

The Umineko verse have one of the strongest characters (or even the strongest character) in Fiction besides the Creator ones.

 

[Tomu]

Theory Goats stomps most verse under Multiverse lvl. Bringing them to the party is just unfair.

But what are they capable of? What feats do they have?

 

[Kami Burn]

But what are they capable of? What feats do they have?

I'm writing via phone,so I just copy paste this from the wiki:

Powers and Stats



Tier: 8-C | 1-C | 8-C | High 1-C
Name: Goat Butlers, Theory Goats
Origin: Umineko no Naku Koro ni
Gender: Varies
Age: Unknown
Classification: Furniture | Higher Order Being, Embodiment of the Opinions of the Future
Powers and Abilities:
Superhuman Physical Characteristics, Energy Manipulation (Can create energy blades)
All previous to a higher level, Enhanced Senses, Incorporeality, Magic, Reality Warping, Resurrection, Abstract Existence (Type 1), Higher-Dimensional Existence, Avatar Creation, Non-Physical Interaction, Higher-Dimensional Manipulation (Can manipulate Kakera, which contain infinite possibilities and higher dimensions), Shapeshifting, Teleportation, Reactive Evolution and Adaptation (All of the higher layers exist on the background of the Sea of Nothingness, and the beings of the higher layers may exists directly within this sea, and they adapt to the pressure due to mental and spiritual evolution), Self-Sustenance (1, 2 and 3), Acausality (Type 5), Large Size (Type 10), Immortality (Types 1, 3, 4, and 8 [Reliant on either Beatrice, Battler Ushiromiya, or Ange Ushiromiya]), Regeneration (High-Godly; Even if the entirety of his existence is completely erased and lost to the Sea of Nothingness beyond all layers and stories, he can regain his form just by thinking), Time Manipulation, Spatial Manipulation, Cosmic Awareness, Fate Manipulation, Causality Manipulation, Fusionism, Void Manipulation Probability Manipulation (Kakeras are like books and works of fiction to beings of the Higher Worlds, and by using them to create worlds, the world's events and fate is set in stone.), Quantum Manipulation (Can manipulate the quantum mechanics of the Human Domain), Law Manipulation (Beings of Higher Worlds can impose rules within their Gameboards, such as Beatrice creating the Anti Magic Toxin rule), Void Manipulation, Conceptual Manipulation (Type 1), Mind Manipulation, and Soul Manipulation (Can manipulate the voids of nothingness of Kakera, as well as it's conceptual, mental and spiritual realms. Lives in the Higher World, where the concepts of fate and possibilities are visualized in the form of Kakera, which she can manipulate), Nonexistent Physiology (Type 2; Their essence beyond the physical form is a void that only takes shape when they think about it), Blue Truths, Resistance to Mind Manipulation, Soul Manipulation, Void Manipulation and Conceptual Manipulation (Meta-World beings are defined by their thoughts as a conceptualized form and are able to resist conceptual attacks on their identity to a degree)
Same as the first key, Void Manipulation, Matter Manipulation, Absorption (Can devour beings into nonexistence. They can even kill Lambdadelta and devour the entire catbox), Invulnerability and Power Nullification (via Endless Nine)
All previous abilities to greater extents.
Attack Potency: Building level (Goats are described to be able to hit with the force of a train and are capable of making earthquake-like tremors) | Complex Multiverse level (Exists in the Meta-World, a higher realm of existence from which the entire Human Domain is regarded as fiction and its inhabitants are seen as pieces laid on a chessboard, their fates and lives merely small fragments which can be manipulated and physically interacted with even by normal humans inhabiting this perspective. This includes structures such as the Underside of the Chessboard, a void of nothingness completely lacking space and time which resides "nowhere" in relation to the entire world of the pieces) | Building level (Should be no weaker than the Goats as they are just imitations of the pieces on the game board) | High Complex Multiverse level (Manifested in and destroyed the Golden Land, the highest and most impenetrable part of the game board, existing above Purgatorio)

 

[Cao Cao]

But the question is do any of these characters exhibit emotions of any kind?
Many of these i'm familiar with and already didn't mention specifically because Bo has powers that would defeat them e.g. Timelords. Timelords are nothing on this scale as individuals. I don't consider an entire society/civilisation to be one character. On an individual level they're basically normal humans physically with a very small number of regens and easily circumvented if killed during their regeneration process. None of their technology that we are aware of comes close to what Bobobo and others like him are capable of - even timelocking and reality bombs - they're just minor feats to guys like Bobobo

That operate more on a cosmological scale, but sure the Timelords needs to act before.

Also wtf from Power Rangers can beat anyone even of planetary scale, let alone characters billions if not trillions of times more powerful???

Power Rangers not only contains the series, but also comics. Lord Drakkon for example operates on a cosmic scale and is an entity that affected entire universes:

The cosmology itself operates on a infinity multiversal scale.

I had no idea Magi characters got so powerful - i dropped it around the 200ch mark and that universe seemed to scale much closer to something like Naruto rather than cosmic dread.

That was Magi at the very beginning but at the end Magi turns out as the currently most powerful Shounen by using Higher Dimensions, which transcend universes making them and their content to a mere story. They operate already beyond casually affecting or even destroying/rewritting universes as Sinbad did:

The Magi verse itself is based on a multi layered hierarchy beyond the universe as for example Alma Torran, plus a world itself contains already several layers:

Dimensional difference caused also unfair battles:

From the Sacred Palace those worlds have parallel worlds with different stories, which are written in books:

Those alternative stories were shown in the parallel worlds/mirror worlds:

Guardians of the Sacred Palace are literal comparable to authors to a book

And if that isn´t enough that guy who rules from a higher dimension over the universe has his own god who rules over him. And that god has someone who is above him, etc.

There is so much more content about it, but i don´t want spam for now.

Characters like Bobobo and above are lovecraftian in scale and ability, beyond our own comprehension. What are the feats that these guys from Magi have?

When reached Bobobo ever higher dimensions and more relevant if those were finity or infinity. Did they transcend eachother or were they just spatial dimensions without significant advantages. My knowledge about Bobobo is rusty, so i might forget something. I know he is Op, but i never heard of that he operate on a multiversal scale or beyond that.

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Theory Goats stomps most verse under Multiverse lvl. Bringing them to the party is just unfair.

The Umineko verse have one of the strongest characters (or even the strongest character) in Fiction besides the Creator ones.

I know, but since it was asked for characters who can beat Bobobo they would be a choice. Also everyone with some potent concept manipulation will do the job too, which means someone like Yogiri with his Death Manipulation.

 

[Tomu]

That operate more on a cosmological scale, but sure the Timelords needs to act before.



Power Rangers not only contains the series, but also comics. Lord Drakkon for example operates on a cosmic scale and is an entity that affected entire universes:

The cosmology itself operates on a infinity multiversal scale.




That was Magi at the very beginning but at the end Magi turns out as the currently most powerful Shounen by using Higher Dimensions, which transcend universes making them and their content to a mere story. They operate already beyond casually affecting or even destroying/rewritting universes as Sinbad did:

The Magi verse itself is based on a multi layered hierarchy beyond the universe as for example Alma Torran, plus a world itself contains already several layers:

Dimensional difference caused also unfair battles:

From the Sacred Palace those worlds have parallel worlds with different stories, which are written in books:

Those alternative stories were shown in the parallel worlds/mirror worlds:

Guardians of the Sacred Palace are literal comparable to authors to a book

And if that isn´t enough that guy who rules from a higher dimension over the universe has his own god who rules over him. And that god has someone who is above him, etc.

There is so much more content about it, but i don´t want spam for now.



When reached Bobobo ever higher dimensions and more relevant if those were finity or infinity. Did they transcend eachother or were they just spatial dimensions without significant advantages. My knowledge about Bobobo is rusty, so i might forget something. I know he is Op, but i never heard of that he operate on a multiversal scale or beyond that.

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I know, but since it was asked for characters who can beat Bobobo they would be a choice. Also everyone with some potent concept manipulation will do the job too, which means someone like Yogiri with his Death Manipulation.

Man that Power Rangers stuff got me fucked up - it just seems so ridiculous to me!

Thanks for enlightening me, I had NO IDEA Magi was on that scale!

As for Bobobo, as far as we are aware all that we know regarding dimensions in Bobobo and his feats are as follows:
- Bobobo can create his own dimensions/realities and he maintains all rules of existence and facets within those dimensions
- There is no ranking of dimensions in the Bobobo universe so no 'higher' or 'lower' dimensions exist
- However what we do know is that Bobobo can control reality and even universes/dimensions etc. that are made by others. Typically, the scales of cosmic existence are as follows: Reality > Omniversal > Multiversal > Universal > Sub-universal. This is because if something exists, it falls under the fold of reality. In fictional verses with one singular reality like Bobobo this means that they essentially have limitless power; you have to bare in mind Bobobo has anti-immunity-immunity meaning his opponents cannot be immune to any of his powers or attacks, and that he is capable of changing the plot of his own story by breaking the 4th wall, he can de-power opponents through numerous ways as well. Essentially what this means is Bobobo can overpower and overcome creators of universes/dimensions etc. from which he is not a part of and can even wrestle control from them - he did this in his fight against Halekulani.

I can't find it right now, but there's a video where someone calculated that his Ganeme ability at its bare minimum is the most broken ability in existence. If you aren't immune by 8 magnitudes (i.e. mulciplative squared power of top tier reality warping eight times over) of reality warping, mental/memory manipulation or writing manipulation (hint - zero characters in existence are immune to 'writing manipulation' in any way), you lose to Ganeme.

By the end of Bobobo the only limit on his power is that he cannot defeat an older sibling of his by order of the Hair Gods, which means the Hair Gods > him. Given he still manages to defeat two of his older siblings this shows fate manipulation of the greatest magnitude in all of shonen as far as i am aware. Given he can even circumvent the power of beings superior to him, it's basically the same as writing in a 'is incapable of losing' clause into the character.

 

[Cao Cao]

Man that Power Rangers stuff got me fucked up - it just seems so ridiculous to me!

Understandable. As a child i was a fan of the series, but i could never imagine that they are actual powerful. Same with verses like Star Wars, Hellraiser, and Co. which actually has some cosmic shit. It is kinda unbelievable.

Thanks for enlightening me, I had NO IDEA Magi was on that scale!

Your welcome. I can understand it tbh, as for Magi there were no signs before on what kind of level Magi cosmology will reach.

As for Bobobo, as far as we are aware all that we know regarding dimensions in Bobobo and his feats are as follows:
- Bobobo can create his own dimensions/realities and he maintains all rules of existence and facets within those dimensions
- There is no ranking of dimensions in the Bobobo universe so no 'higher' or 'lower' dimensions exist
- However what we do know is that Bobobo can control reality and even universes/dimensions etc. that are made by others. Typically, the scales of cosmic existence are as follows: Reality > Omniversal > Multiversal > Universal > Sub-universal. This is because if something exists, it falls under the fold of reality. In fictional verses with one singular reality like Bobobo this means that they essentially have limitless power; you have to bare in mind Bobobo has anti-immunity-immunity meaning his opponents cannot be immune to any of his powers or attacks, and that he is capable of changing the plot of his own story by breaking the 4th wall, he can de-power opponents through numerous ways as well. I can't find it right now, but there's a video where someone calculated that his Ganeme ability at its bare minimum is the most broken ability in existence. If you aren't immune by 8 magnitudes (i.e. mulciplative squared power of top tier reality warping eight times over) of reality warping, mental/memory manipulation or writing manipulation (hint - zero characters in existence are immune to 'writing manipulation' in any way), you lose to Ganeme.

Sounds indeed broken af, and honestly then i doubt verses like Dragonball or Saint Seiya will have a chance here.

 

[Tomu]

Sounds indeed broken af, and honestly then i doubt verses like Dragonball or Saint Seiya will have a chance here.

I updated/edited the bottom paragraph for further context which will probably be more informative

As for Bobobo, as far as we are aware all that we know regarding dimensions in Bobobo and his feats are as follows:
- Bobobo can create his own dimensions/realities and he maintains all rules of existence and facets within those dimensions
- There is no ranking of dimensions in the Bobobo universe so no 'higher' or 'lower' dimensions exist
- However what we do know is that Bobobo can control reality and even universes/dimensions etc. that are made by others. Typically, the scales of cosmic existence are as follows: Reality > Omniversal > Multiversal > Universal > Sub-universal. This is because if something exists, it falls under the fold of reality. In fictional verses with one singular reality like Bobobo this means that they essentially have limitless power; you have to bare in mind Bobobo has anti-immunity-immunity meaning his opponents cannot be immune to any of his powers or attacks, and that he is capable of changing the plot of his own story by breaking the 4th wall, he can de-power opponents through numerous ways as well. Essentially what this means is Bobobo can overpower and overcome creators of universes/dimensions etc. from which he is not a part of and can even wrestle control from them - he did this in his fight against Halekulani.

I can't find it right now, but there's a video where someone calculated that his Ganeme ability at its bare minimum is the most broken ability in existence. If you aren't immune by 8 magnitudes (i.e. multiplicative squared power of top tier reality warping eight times over) of reality warping, mental/memory manipulation or writing manipulation (hint - zero characters in existence are immune to 'writing manipulation' in any way), you lose to Ganeme.

By the end of Bobobo the only limit on his power is that he cannot defeat an older sibling of his by order of the Hair Gods, which means the Hair Gods > him. Given he still manages to defeat two of his older siblings this shows fate manipulation of the greatest magnitude in all of shonen as far as i am aware. Given he can even circumvent the power of beings superior to him, it's basically the same as writing in a 'is incapable of losing' clause into the character.

Idk man... it depends on Zeno's limitations but I agree with DB overall. As for SS, i think some of the Gods might be beyond this but i'm not sure.

 

[Cao Cao]

I updated/edited the bottom paragraph for further context which will probably be more informative

Thx. The amount of abilities he has are insane.

Idk man... it depends on Zeno's limitations but I agree with DB overall. As for SS, i think some of the Gods might be beyond this but i'm not sure.

Well, as we go only by that what is stated or showing i don´t see Zeno winning this, unless erasing timelines is the limitation of Bobobo, while a lot other characters operate on a higher level then Zeno, for example erasing on a conceptual level. Of course Zeno´s potency is unknown but we can only speculate how powerful he is. As for the Saint Seiya Gods it comes to the same. The Ichor of the Gods atleast grant resistance to time related erasure and causality manipulation in Episode G, while Primordials such as Chronos, Pontos and Co. might be able to resist a lot of hax. But even here again oc they need resistance feats, or have oder natural advantage which makes Bobobo´s abilities insignificant.
I think that depends all on what Meta we are following.

 

[The White Crane]

But the question is do any of these characters exhibit emotions of any kind?
Many of these i'm familiar with and already didn't mention specifically because Bo has powers that would defeat them e.g. Timelords. Timelords are nothing on this scale as individuals. I don't consider an entire society/civilisation to be one character. On an individual level they're basically normal humans physically with a very small number of regens and easily circumvented if killed during their regeneration process. None of their technology that we are aware of comes close to what Bobobo and others like him are capable of - even timelocking and reality bombs - they're just minor feats to guys like Bobobo

Also wtf from Power Rangers can beat anyone even of planetary scale, let alone characters billions if not trillions of times more powerful???

I had no idea Magi characters got so powerful - i dropped it around the 200ch mark and that universe seemed to scale much closer to something like Naruto rather than cosmic dread. Characters like Bobobo and above are lovecraftian in scale and ability, beyond our own comprehension. What are the feats that these guys from Magi have?

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Nothing within those panels displays anything beyond Bobobo though? This is my point. You're severely underestimating him. I don't care about if he can wipe away parts of a universe, that is NOTHING to Bobobo - he can rewrite the laws of existence. He can depower any and every opponent and is always prepared for fights with exactly what he needs to win even while unaware. He can even grant himself immunity and nothing in existence is immune to his own abilities. It's not even a matter of creating concepts and facets of reality vs using them; Bobobo's existence makes it so that even the creator of anything can be destroyed by their own creation.

Furthermore, Bobobo's fate manipulation and memory manipulation can make it so that he gifts himself whatever power is needed to win a fight. The only way a non-god character wins is if he is beyond any restriction of any conceivable kind and i'm sorry, but that even incudes characters that have experienced any kind of retcon during their history of publication - as Bobobo supercedes the 4th wall and is able to write his own fights too.

Your reply sounds like a massive NLF-galore, tbh. How can Bobobo hurt Classic Beyonder if he does not allow Bobobo to hurt him? How can Bobobo even hurt an aspect of The Presence like Lucifer?

Can you show me panels of Bobobo fighting or defeating someone on the level of Lucifer or Classic Beyonder? Or panels of Bobobo doing those things you claim he can do? You know, for comparison purposes.

 

[Steven]

Mid-Tier Digimon ala Metalseadramon fodderizes that guy.

 

[Shisui]

Every single one of Bobobo's feats > any version of Supes except Superman Prime

Prime is way below the likes of Kal Kent, Strange Visitor, Composite Superman, Prime 1 Million and CAS Superman. I am not even sure if Prime is strong enough to take down PC Superman let alone those other iterations of Superman I listed. He will forever be my favourite Superman tho

EoS Bobobo is mad strong. I have never heard of him until now. Do you think he could defeat Elaine Belloc + Michael + Lucifer??