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#62
But nope she had to use the entire clan....which were all mostly innocent.
Only 4 Kurozumis confirmed in the manga, Orochi the evil Shogun. Kanjuro, the traitor among her dad's scabbards, and the Barrier Grandpa and Bane Bane Granny who distracted Oden and made him lose against Kaido. All 4 were her enemies.
Nobody else is said to be Kurozumi, apparrently it is not like there is growing Kurozumi clan in Wano right now.
 
#63
Only 4 Kurozumis confirmed in the manga, Orochi the evil Shogun. Kanjuro, the traitor among her dad's scabbards, and the Barrier Grandpa and Bane Bane Granny who distracted Oden and made him lose against Kaido. All 4 were her enemies.
Nobody else is said to be Kurozumi, apparrently it is not like there is growing Kurozumi clan in Wano right now.
You do realise theres an entire clan of innocent Kurozumi's that were beaten, thrown into rivers and killed.

The Kurozumi clan wasnt only 4 people. All the innocent ones were killed off.
 
#64
That’s why this is all due to the foolishness of the Kozuki clan, why is it that each Kozuki head only births one child and then stops there. A ruling clan that’s been there for 800 years should have members numbering the thousands. Preventing any rivaling clan from taking over just because an heir or two went missing or died
 
#67
Wano has been portrayed as a racist, xenophobic, sexist, rancorous, persecutory, murderous, death-fetichist country; Orochi, who was haunted by citizens to the point of growing terrified, ends up looking like the good guy here. Funnily enough Oda made it sure to challenge every crappy ideal in this country's culture... except for the most important one; and just for a pun...?
 
#68
"It's wrong to resent a child for the sins of his father"
Whitebeard
"A child who is yet to be born bears no sin"
Gol D Roger


Now we got hiyori teaching kozuki propaganda and making it seem like all the kurozumi are evil.

What about kanjuros parents

This completely contradicts earlier themes of one piece

:seriously:
Dude, it is not going against One piece themes. It is an ideology of people. One piece represents many themes and the main theme is freedom.

There is no comparison between Hiyori "who is living in the closed island' and Roger 'who has seen the world.'

This is not the first time we have seen generalization in one piece.

1) Luffy said he hates celestal dragons when he has problem with only one.
2) Sanji asked Jinbei to kill himself when Arlong was the one who caused damage to Nami.

Fisher men hated humans and humans hated fishermen. Nami didn't change her opinion until the Saboady archipelago. Nami has seen the other side here.

At the same time, Akainu represents good people but he follows 'all pirates are evil'. If you look at it, there is no difference between Akainu and Hiyori. So, why didn't you have the same question around that time?

People don't change easily until they see the other side. Hiyori didn't see the tragedy of kurozumi and also didn't meet good kurozumi for her to change her mind. Mind you Wano is still closed borders. So it is realistic that Hiyori had the hatred towards the whole clan. It does no way represent One piece 'theme'. If this represents the whole one piece 'themes', then most of characters thoughts are counted as themes that contradict one piece.
 
#69
Wano has been portrayed as a racist, xenophobic, sexist, rancorous, persecutory, murderous, death-fetichist country; Orochi, who was haunted by citizens to the point of being terrified, ends up looking like the good guy here. Funnily enough Oda made it sure to challenge every crappy ideal in this country's culture... except for the most important one; and just for a pun...?
ARE YA LAUGHING YET CHARLOTTE!!!!!!????
 

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#70
Dude, it is not going against One piece themes. It is an ideology of people. One piece represents many themes and the main theme is freedom.

There is no comparison between Hiyori "who is living in the closed island' and Roger 'who has seen the world.'

This is not the first time we have seen generalization in one piece.

1) Luffy said he hates celestal dragons when he has problem with only one.
2) Sanji asked Jinbei to kill himself when Arlong was the one who caused damage to Nami.

Fisher men hated humans and humans hated fishermen. Nami didn't change her opinion until the Saboady archipelago. Nami has seen the other side here.

At the same time, Akainu represents good people but he follows 'all pirates are evil'. If you look at it, there is no difference between Akainu and Hiyori. So, why didn't you have the same question around that time?

People don't change easily until they see the other side. Hiyori didn't see the tragedy of kurozumi and also didn't meet good kurozumi for her to change her mind. Mind you Wano is still closed borders. So it is realistic that Hiyori had the hatred towards the whole clan. It does no way represent One piece 'theme'. If this represents the whole one piece 'themes', then most of characters thoughts are counted as themes that contradict one piece.
It's not Hiyori


The whole thing was a propaganda from teacher
 
#71
She couldve really said "Kurozumi Orochi....you were born to burn". It's kinda messed up, but Oden's line was specific to an individual. So similarly her line couldve also been specific to Orochi.

But nope she had to use the entire clan....which were all mostly innocent.
There is no point in blaming her.
Kozuki Oden wouldn't be Oden if its not boiled looks lamer than Oden wouldn't be Oden if it was not boiled....same with Kurozumi pun too.
 
#76
They are an evil family. Doesnt matter if their ancestors are already dead, we saw what some remnants can do and literally did.

They never seeked to be good people, just harm everyone.

Orochi was not treated bad neither was Kanjuro, both chose their way, I bet that if they were good people, their last name wouldn't matter.
 
#77
You'd have to be really dense to dismiss the (very high and probable) chance that he wrote it that way on purpose? To show the bad-side of the post-war free Wano brainwashing the next generations.
 
#78
You'd have to be really dense to dismiss the (very high and probable) chance that he wrote it that way on purpose? To show the bad-side of the post-war free Wano brainwashing the next generations.
Highly highly doubt it. Hiyori is a good guy. He wrote that scene to parralel Oden. Theres no brain washing. Hiyori said that.
 
#79
Worst One Piece arc ending period. It propagates discrimination without understanding and reinforces the idea that people can be born evil, or shouldn't be born at all.

Directly contradicting the idea that children can't be blamed for the sins of their fathers, that every person has a right to exist, that through mutual understanding we can find true peace.

Oda should've made it so a 'good' person was revealed to be a Kurozumi, showing Hiyori that 'good' Kurozumis do exist and no one is born evil. Like Tama or hell even Zoro.

Instead, Hiyori never met a 'good' Kurozumi and assumed they're all evil, undeserving of life. Now the racist is propagating that hatred to children whilst being written as a saviour and a 'good' person. The 'born to burn' pun is in terrible taste. No one is asking why the Kurozumis are so hated or commenting on how Orochi was viciously discriminated against as an innocent child. Instead, the Kozukis are heroes and Wano isn't depicted as the country full of racists that it is.

The ending is so anti-One Piece that I'm struggling to actually believe Oda wrote this. He didn't even allude to Hiyori being wrong or acknowledge that this was a purposefully toxic ending. Like... This is it. Shambolic.
 
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