Character Discussion Is V. Nasujuro even eligible for the WSS title?

I knew you didn't understood one piece lol.
PK = Fame - Power - Money
WSS = Power , Pure Strength.

Mihawk is an one man army lol.
No one can achieve one piece alone.
Even your dear Roger had to bow down to WB for oden.
Sneak in big mam Island.
Where was his power then lol.
Atleast make sensible arguments.
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Mihawk could have just gotten an army easily lol. Infact, he has an army right fucking now? Yet his goal wasn't to get the one piece and surpass Roger. And he sweats himself when buggy says they're going for one piece...

No matter how y'all try to cope about this, Mihawk admitted in the start that he was weaker lol.
Individual strength vs literally having the best crew in the world
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"That man and us" Where was Mihawk comparing himself to WB directly?
"the distance between that man and us". The "US" includes mihawk...
You answered it yourself.
"weakened" state.
Why would mihawk fight someone weaker than him?
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Dude what are you even arguing? Mihawk DID test weakened WB. That's the point. If he was above peak WB, he'd know for sure that he was above old sick WB. That's how logic goes. So he didn't know if he was above old sick wb. I don't wanna handhold this and explain it to you like you're 5yr old

You came with some bullshit that it's about loving the sword and Roger shanks etc not doing that despite it being confirmed they do and they've used the same sword longer than zoro has been alive and then back tracked. So yeah concession accepted
Sure. Whatever makes you feel better i guess.

Deflect away from the fact that the story makes it clear that WB and Roger were above Mihawk. Push your agenda. It'll be fun when it falls on it's ass.
 

ConquistadoR

The Rogue Prince
So he didn't know if he was above old sick wb. I don't wanna handhold this and explain it to you like you're 5yr old
Ironic that you type this nonsense out as if its a "gotcha" moment when WB's health conditions wasnt even revealed to the rest of the world until way after that when Squard stabbed him.

Crocodile said it best - the guy who beat him would never be that weak. When did he say it? After the Squard stab or before that?
 
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Mihawk could have just gotten an army easily lol. Infact, he has an army right fucking now? Yet his goal wasn't to get the one piece and surpass Roger. And he sweats himself when buggy says they're going for one piece...

No matter how y'all try to cope about this, Mihawk admitted in the start that he was weaker lol.
Lmao does it looks that easy to build a reliable army? Lmao.
Bigmam and Kaido still don't have necessary element in the crew to fulfill One piece criteria. Roger had to beg for oden.

Power has nothing to do with it clown.
And if power was anything to it , Why didn't Roger go into all out war with Linlin lmao?
Should I take that Roger weaker than Linlin lmao?
That's how your logic is working.


Dude what are you even arguing? Mihawk DID test weakened WB. That's the point. If he was above peak WB, he'd know for sure that he was above old sick WB. That's how logic goes. So he didn't know if he was above old sick wb. I don't wanna handhold this and explain it to you like you're 5yr old
Mihawk knew at glance lol , what his conditions were.
The fact some clown with OP hax had to show up to defend was already enough evidence to it.
Current WSS > Former WSM.
Argue all you want lol , be ready to leave the fandom when get proved wrong lol.
You won't be able to keep up with the bullying with these clownish takes.

Mihawk don't fight people weaker than him. He tested and knew immediately, WB is weaker there's no worth fighting. So he simply didn't.
 
"the distance between that man and us". The "US" includes mihawk...

Dude what are you even arguing? Mihawk DID test weakened WB. That's the point. If he was above peak WB, he'd know for sure that he was above old sick WB. That's how logic goes. So he didn't know if he was above old sick wb. I don't wanna handhold this and explain it to you like you're 5yr old
I've heard it said by SandmanAP, that the Japanese intepret this line as Mihawk referencing Whitebeard's subordinates.

He seems so close, but how far away is he really, and the next two pages are Jozu and Marco stopping attacks from hitting Whitebeard.
 
Ironic that you type this nonsense out as if its a "gotcha" moment when WB's health conditions wasnt even revealed to the rest of the world until way after that when Squard stabbed him.

Crocodile said it best - the guy who beat him would never be that weak. When did he say it? After the Squard stab or before that?
Alright. Then Mihawk didn't know he was above an old WB. But the point still stands? Peak WB being below mihawk would mean old WB was too. No reason to test it then. Mihawk wanting to test it just shows he had no idea where WB was at in the strength hierarchy. Which is consistent with his portrayal. He isn't the WSM or WSC. He's just WSS.
Lmao does it looks that easy to build a reliable army? Lmao.
Bigmam and Kaido still don't have necessary element in the crew to fulfill One piece criteria. Roger had to beg for oden.

Power has nothing to do with it clown.
And if power was anything to it , Why didn't Roger go into all out war with Linlin lmao?
Should I take that Roger weaker than Linlin lmao?
That's how your logic is working.
Yet when an army fell into his lap, he didn't join the race for one piece and was shockedd when buggy wanted to?

Power has everything to do with it you retard. Power is how you acquire strong armies and get poneglyph from other pirates and get people who can read them.

We don't know what happened between Roger and Linlin. We only heard from BM about it.

Mihawk knew at glance lol , what his conditions were.
The fact some clown with OP hax had to show up to defend was already enough evidence to it.
Current WSS > Former WSM.
Argue all you want lol , be ready to leave the fandom when get proved wrong lol.
You won't be able to keep up with the bullying with these clownish takes.

Mihawk don't fight people weaker than him. He tested and knew immediately, WB is weaker there's no worth fighting. So he simply didn't.
Lmao at the bolded. @ConquistadoR do you agree that mihawk knew his condition at a glance? You guys are arguing all over the place lol

Mihawk just fucking said he wanted to test the distance. If he knew at first glance, he wouldn't have had to fucking unsheathe his sword and fucking swing it you fucking idiot.

Mihawk liiterally fought Vista. And was the one that asked to settle it later. That just disproves your "mihawk knows at first glance and doesn't fight them" bull shit. Try again.

And current WSS>WSM based on what? WSM should supersede WSS. Unless you want to get into the accuracy of titles and their lack of validation by the story?
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I've heard it said by SandmanAP, that the Japanese intepret this line as Mihawk referencing Whitebeard's subordinates.

He seems so close, but how far away is he really, and the next two pages are Jozu and Marco stopping attacks from hitting Whitebeard.
Post the link.

Even so, that statement just shows mihawk sees WB as a legendary figure. If mihawk was above even peak wb, everyone would be beneath him lol.

And i really doubt it's about the subordinates. If mihawk was stronger than wb in his prime, he wouldn't be concerned about the fucking subordinates lmao.
 

ConquistadoR

The Rogue Prince
Alright. Then Mihawk didn't know he was above an old WB. But the point still stands? Peak WB being below mihawk would mean old WB was too. No reason to test it then. Mihawk wanting to test it just shows he had no idea where WB was at in the strength hierarchy. Which is consistent with his portrayal. He isn't the WSM or WSC. He's just WSS.
You keep bringing in different statements like "Old Whitebeard", "Sick Whitebeard" as if that matters here.
We know Whitebeard declined due to health/age etc,. The characters in the series don't - literally every character still regarded WB as the WSM until it was proven that he had declined horribly with the whole world watching in the war.

Again, did Crocodile shout at Whitebeard that he is weak because he is Old, now? Or did he believe that WB was still the Strongest until he saw with his own eyes that he had declined? Because Oda literally used Crocodile's reactions here to show what the rest of the World thought as well.

I don't even believe Mihawk wanted to "test" himself, it was just about the Subordinates protecting Whitebeard as @Yomi posted above.
But even in your version, if Mihawk wanted to "test himself" - he was using WSM Whitebeard as the standard for that. WB & Mihawk had never even met each other before this btw.
 
See what? Is there an argument hidden under your lines of cope?
"the distance between that man and us". The "US" includes mihawk...
Does Mihawk consider every single character on the Navy's side equal to one another in strength? That's the only way that line makes sense from a powerscaling standpoint.
 
I didn't say he said CoA, but he clearly had something in mind when he was asking, before he got cut off. He knew nothing of CoC at the time, so that eliminates CoC of having anything to do with black blades. Your only other options are CoA and CoO. Pick one.
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No it doesn't mean it's strength related.

Nothing in the series says "You have to have X level haki in order to forge a black blade."

That is just your guys assumption, that you keep spouting all over the place like it's a manga fact.
Wtf i never said noting about yhat. I am replying to your post about CoA. Also Road to laughtale said Haki is apart of the process. Zoro right now has CoA and CoC and will likely be much stronger when he does it.
 
You keep bringing in different statements like "Old Whitebeard", "Sick Whitebeard" as if that matters here.
We know Whitebeard declined due to health/age etc,. The characters in the series don't - literally every character still regarded WB as the WSM until it was proven that he had declined horribly with the whole world watching in the war.
But that's not the argument. The argument is, Mihawk is above Roger and WB cause they don't have black blades. Prime Roger and WB.
So, if Mihawk was above prime WB, why would he feel the need to test his power against any version of WB? He would know wb was weaker just from the simple fact that he didn't have a black blade right?
Again, did Crocodile shout at Whitebeard that he is weak because he is Old, now? Or did he believe that WB was still the Strongest until he saw with his own eyes that he had declined? Because Oda literally used Crocodile's reactions here to show what the rest of the World thought as well.
And again, WB declining doesn't matter AT ALL. Crocodile shit doesn't matter either. What matters is, Mihawk felt the need to test his power against WB.

When y'all have been arguing that having a black blade should mean mihawk is above wb. Mihawk would know that cause he's got the black blade. Right? So why feel the need to test the inferior non-blackblade having dude?
I don't even believe Mihawk wanted to "test" himself, it was just about the Subordinates protecting Whitebeard as @Yomi posted above.
But even in your version, if Mihawk wanted to "test himself" - he was using WSM Whitebeard as the standard for that. WB & Mihawk had never even met each other before this btw.
There was no mention of subordinates in that statement dude. If you wanna tell me that the japanese did mention it, give me proof. Mihawk just said he wanted to measure the distance between them and that man. He then used the slash which was blocked by Jozu.

That was not about physical distance. I think you know that. That was a figurative statement about their status/strength.

WB and Mihawk meeting doesn't matter either. Unless you think Mihawk didn't know he himself was the strongest being in the op verse all this time?

The simple fact that he wanted to test a dude with no black blade just shows that black blades are not the end all be all of strength.
And the fact that Mihawk would duel with shanks if he just had both arms also allude to this. His problem was with having one less hand. Not the color of shanks's sword.

Roger is basically the goal of the fucking MC in strength and infamy. Oda ain't about to supplant that just to stroke the MC's subordinates ego lol. I thought y'all learned this lesson when ZKK didn't happen. But guess not.
See what? Is there an argument hidden under your lines of cope?

Does Mihawk consider every single character on the Navy's side equal to one another in strength? That's the only way that line makes sense from a powerscaling standpoint.
It ain't my fault y'all can't read from under all that cope about mihawk>everyone.

He groups the warlords and includes himself. Meaning he thought until that moment that WB was above every warlord including him.


You know what?

Give me ONE SINGLE instance where the story even slightly indicates mihawk is above the likes of Roger and WB. ONE INSTANCE.
 
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Give me ONE SINGLE instance where the story even slightly indicates mihawk is above the likes of Roger and WB. ONE INSTANCE.


  • Even if you consider Roger and WB above Shanks. Mihawk already seeking someone above Shanks.
  • Black blade , Roger , Rocks , Shanks , none can pull it off , only ryuma did and he was fucking WG alone 100s of years ago.
  • Ryuma was called Sword God , Mihawk is Called World Strongest Swordsman. Both are the title given to them , neither of them claimed these.
  • So far neither of the title are fraud. WB at prime was the world strongest and above Roger. Kaido is the world strongest , Tbh I still don't see Luffy winning if they start fresh again. Given how Kizaru vs Luffy went , Kaido bonking the shit out of Luffy again.
  • Oda saving mihawk for the end because he's the end game material. It took us so long for Shanks attack , Gorosei introduction. Still we have nothing on mihawk.
  • His battle with shanks used to shake the whole new world.
 

ConquistadoR

The Rogue Prince
And again, WB declining doesn't matter AT ALL. Crocodile shit doesn't matter either. What matters is, Mihawk felt the need to test his power against WB.

When y'all have been arguing that having a black blade should mean mihawk is above wb. Mihawk would know that cause he's got the black blade. Right? So why feel the need to test the inferior non-blackblade having dude?
Where did i say that?

There was no mention of subordinates in that statement dude. If you wanna tell me that the japanese did mention it, give me proof. Mihawk just said he wanted to measure the distance between them and that man. He then used the slash which was blocked by Jozu.

That was not about physical distance. I think you know that. That was a figurative statement about their status/strength.
Dude, Mihawk literally says that he wants to measure the "true distance" between Whitebeard & his enemies -> Uses an attack -> Stopped by Jozu.
Kizaru does the same -> Stopped by Marco -> followed by Marco saying "I can't have you taking the King right at the start..."

The entire scene was to introduce & hype Whitebeard's two subordinates.

Mihawk's statement is conjecture, he means that even though Whitebeard is a closer in distance, it ain't easy to get to him because he has able subordinates - which is why the question of "true distance" comes into play.

WB and Mihawk meeting doesn't matter either. Unless you think Mihawk didn't know he himself was the strongest being in the op verse all this time?
It does because in your interpretation, he wasn't measuring himself against an old, sick Whitebeard.
This is his first time meeting Whitebeard EVER. All he has heard about the man was that he was the WSM so far.

The simple fact that he wanted to test a dude with no black blade just shows that black blades are not the end all be all of strength.
And the fact that Mihawk would duel with shanks if he just had both arms also allude to this. His problem was with having one less hand. Not the color of shanks's sword.

Roger is basically the goal of the fucking MC in strength and infamy. Oda ain't about to supplant that just to stroke the MC's subordinates ego lol. I thought y'all learned this lesson when ZKK didn't happen. But guess not.
All this for an argument that i never argued in the first place... :milaugh::milaugh::milaugh:

And it's really funny that you compare a DF user like Whitebeard with the most destructive DFs in the series to make your point about Swordsmen & Black Blades though lol.

He isn't the WSM or WSC. He's just WSS.
This tells me all I need to know.

WSM & WSC are no different from WSS - all 3 are WS titles yet two of those are looked at with Rose tinted glasses & one is downplayed despite it being an MC's dream literally... funny how that works.
 
Irrelevant a sword isn't a devil fruit.
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Again he's had 0 haki hype yet.

Shanks Roger and odens weapons have literally been called BELOVED BLADES or CONSTANT companions.

Zoro said he doesn't care as long as he has 3.
What do you mean it's irrelevant? You're using how long someone has had something as an excuse. It's very much relevant, because length of time in which someone has or does something doesn't matter, as shown with Devil Fruit awakenings.

I've given you a mountain of evidence from within the manga itself. CoC has never once been associated with Black Blades. People who know about Black Blades, have no clue about CoC. Zoro who had barely any knowledge of CoC at the time, figured something out through Gyukimaru's words. When people use hardening, it turns things black. Forging a sword in real life is through the process of tempering, bending and hardening steel. Black Blades are said to be "forged".

All signs point towards CoA, which was my initial point. Nothing points to CoC, and the argument "Zoro has Enma and AdCoC" means absolutely nothing. "Roger, and Oden and Shanks and etc.. etc.. have been pouring CoA into their blades for a billion years" means nothing. That is not solid evidence.

Bring me panels that link CoC and Black Blades, or there is no need to continue this discussion.
 
What do you mean it's irrelevant? You're using how long someone has had something as an excuse. It's very much relevant, because length of time in which someone has or does something doesn't matter, as shown with Devil Fruit awakenings.

I've given you a mountain of evidence from within the manga itself. CoC has never once been associated with Black Blades. People who know about Black Blades, have no clue about CoC. Zoro who had barely any knowledge of CoC at the time, figured something out through Gyukimaru's words. When people use hardening, it turns things black. Forging a sword in real life is through the process of tempering, bending and hardening steel. Black Blades are said to be "forged".

All signs point towards CoA, which was my initial point. Nothing points to CoC, and the argument "Zoro has Enma and AdCoC" means absolutely nothing. "Roger, and Oden and Shanks and etc.. etc.. have been pouring CoA into their blades for a billion years" means nothing. That is not solid evidence.

Bring me panels that link CoC and Black Blades, or there is no need to continue this discussion.
Show me the panel where it states CoC has nothing to do with creating a black blade.

Right now it's still a mystery. All we know is any blade can become a black blade and black blades are created or forged by users.
 
Show me the panel where it states CoC has nothing to do with creating a black blade.

Right now it's still a mystery. All we know is any blade can become a black blade and black blades are created or forged by users.
I don't have to show you a panel that says it has nothing to do with it. I've shown countless amounts of evidence that suggests CoA, while there is zero evidence to suggest CoC.

So if you want to argue with me that it's CoC and not CoA, then bring evidence to support the claim, because I have evidence to support my claim.

If I say, I think it's CoA because of X,Y and Z, you can't come back with, "It's not CoA, it's CoC, because there's no evidence to suggest it isn't CoC." That's not a counter argument.

And I know there is nothing concrete at the moment, but I am strictly speaking from a context and clues perspective, which is given by the manga. I have a foundation to base my claims. CoC has no foundation to stand on at the moment. I've never said "It's CoA and that's final." I'm arguing why it makes sense to be CoA, and why it doesn't make sense to be CoC. I could be wrong, and that's fine, but again, from what everything we know so far, the signs to point CoA.
 
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I don't have to show you a panel that says it has nothing to do with it. I've shown countless amounts of evidence that suggests CoA, while there is zero evidence to suggest CoC.

So if you want to argue with me that it's CoC and not CoA, then bring evidence to support the claim, because I have evidence to support my claim.
So you have nothing to support your claim.

I never stated black blades have nothing to do with CoA, but if you want to claim it has nothing to do with CoC you need to support that. You haven't.

We didn't know black blades are forged or created by users until Wano. We didn't know Luffy was not using barrier haki until Wano. We didn't know things can be coated with CoC haki until Wano. We learned a lot of new information haki during Wano. Stop acting Oda can't reveal more information about how black blades are created.
 
So you have nothing to support your claim.

I never stated black blades have nothing to do with CoA, but if you want to claim it has nothing to do with CoC you need to support that. You haven't.

We didn't know black blades are forged or created by users until Wano. We didn't know Luffy was not using barrier haki until Wano. We didn't know things can be coated with CoC haki until Wano. We learned a lot of new information haki during Wano. Stop acting Oda can't reveal more information about how black blades are created.
Support my claim of what? There is nothing to support the claim that Black Blades is a byproduct of CoC. I don't have to support anything. Those who say it is CoC have to support their claim.

If I say Black Blades is because Mihawk spray painted his blade black, would you argue against it? Of course you would.... Imagine I then tell you, "Show me anywhere in the manga that says it's not spray painted black." That's not a counter argument. If that was the case, anyone can make up any shit they like and just say "Show me where the manga says it's not what I think." Lmao....

This would be an outstanding argument for @rootbear. "Show me in the manga where it say's Zoro isn't only using CoA in King of Hell mode." And if that is never stated in the manga (Which it most likely never will be, because it's obvious to most it's AdCoC), then according to your logic, he's technically right, it's only CoA, because the manga never says it's not only CoA.

Imagine Shank's fans getting ahold of this argument. "Show me in the manga where it says Shanks isn't stronger than Mihawk." Will you concede to no longer argue that Mihawk is stronger until it's shown in the manga? You have to, because this is your logic. If you you argue back "Mihawk is the WSS", they can clap back with "Show me in the manga where it says Shanks is a Swordsman."

Do you see the flaw in this reasoning?
 
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HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
Support my claim of what? There is nothing to support the claim that Black Blades is a byproduct of CoC. I don't have to support anything. Those who say it is CoC have to support their claim.

If I say Black Blades is because Mihawk spray painted his blade black, would you argue against it? Of course you would.... Imagine I then tell you, "Show me anywhere in the manga that says it's not spray painted black." That's not a counter argument. If that was the case, anyone can make up any shit they like and just say "Show me where the manga says it's not what I think." Lmao....

This would be an outstanding argument for @rootbear. "Show me in the manga where it say's Zoro isn't only using CoA in King of Hell mode." And if that is never stated in the manga (Which it most likely never will be, because it's obvious to most it's AdCoC), then according to your logic, he's right, it's only CoA, because the manga never says it's not only CoA.
Easy the only swordsmen to do it will be coc users.
 
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