Current Events Is Wano One of, if Not the Worst One Piece Arc?
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It's quite easy to explain psychologically:
Back in the day when OP was indeed great (Water7, Sabaody etc.) people didn't need to write about "Goda" or how great OP was - everyone knew it.
Nowadays nearly everyone knows that the writing has been on a steady decline. Even the homers know it deep down, but they want to keep the image of a "best shonen OP" up in order not to experience cognitive dissonance. They're way too invested in it.
That's why they come up with that aggressive defending, the "Goda" articles etc.
Back in the day when OP was indeed great (Water7, Sabaody etc.) people didn't need to write about "Goda" or how great OP was - everyone knew it.
Nowadays nearly everyone knows that the writing has been on a steady decline. Even the homers know it deep down, but they want to keep the image of a "best shonen OP" up in order not to experience cognitive dissonance. They're way too invested in it.
That's why they come up with that aggressive defending, the "Goda" articles etc.
Since when are internet downvotes a violation of freedom of speech?
The subreddit definitely has a different target audience, it's not as filled with seething fans and powerscalers (that's a good thing fuck the powerscalers), but they definitely seem to brush off any questionable writing decision by Oda or actively try to justify it even if it's plain shit. Ideally I'd love some kind of balance between these two. But oh well.
The subreddit definitely has a different target audience, it's not as filled with seething fans and powerscalers (that's a good thing fuck the powerscalers), but they definitely seem to brush off any questionable writing decision by Oda or actively try to justify it even if it's plain shit. Ideally I'd love some kind of balance between these two. But oh well.
this is the same old crap we always get.
Skypiea was hated weekly
Enies Lobby was hated weekly
Thrill Bark was hated weekly
Dressrosa was hated weekly
Whole Cake was hated weekly.
people had 300-900 chapters to binge depending when they got caught up and they recieved instant satisfaction, so now that they're stuck wiating months or years for resolution the arcs always "suck"
it's been like this for 15 years. Wano is nowhere near one of the worst arcs in the series, thats ridiculous. once it finished and we move on a year into the enxt story just like all the previous arcs people will binge read it and realie it was not nearly as bad as they thought.
pattern hasnt changed for a decade and i suppose it never will till the series ends.
Skypiea was hated weekly
Enies Lobby was hated weekly
Thrill Bark was hated weekly
Dressrosa was hated weekly
Whole Cake was hated weekly.
people had 300-900 chapters to binge depending when they got caught up and they recieved instant satisfaction, so now that they're stuck wiating months or years for resolution the arcs always "suck"
it's been like this for 15 years. Wano is nowhere near one of the worst arcs in the series, thats ridiculous. once it finished and we move on a year into the enxt story just like all the previous arcs people will binge read it and realie it was not nearly as bad as they thought.
pattern hasnt changed for a decade and i suppose it never will till the series ends.
:cheers:
Riddle me this, riddle me that: What would change from Wano then it is binge-read after it's over? Like, all of a sudden, every single criticism pointed out on the post by @TooOldForThisSmite is gonna disappear if Wano is binge-read? Just admit it: With the exception of very few aspects of the arc, Wano largely IS a piece of shit writing, weekly or otherwise.
Riddle me this, riddle me that: What would change from Wano then it is binge-read after it's over? Like, all of a sudden, every single criticism pointed out on the post by @TooOldForThisSmite is gonna disappear if Wano is binge-read? Just admit it: With the exception of very few aspects of the arc, Wano largely IS a piece of shit writing, weekly or otherwise.
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When worstgen eventually closes down this thread should be in the WorstGen Hall of Fame Threads.
When worstgen eventually closes down this thread should be in the WorstGen Hall of Fame Threads.
Only arc i can remember not being hated on are Water 7 and Marineford.
Everyone loves Sabaody nowadays, but at the beginning with the duval stuff people hated it
Enies Lobby was the same problem as Dressrosa, Whole Cake and now Wano, i think it was simply arc fatigue, a lot of people look at water 7 and enies lobby as the same arc so it was just the usual stuff we get now, difference being oda was giving us 43-45 chapters a year back then instead of 36 like now.
Everyone loves Sabaody nowadays, but at the beginning with the duval stuff people hated it
Enies Lobby was the same problem as Dressrosa, Whole Cake and now Wano, i think it was simply arc fatigue, a lot of people look at water 7 and enies lobby as the same arc so it was just the usual stuff we get now, difference being oda was giving us 43-45 chapters a year back then instead of 36 like now.
This was not hated weekly....it became trash, especially after the tea party.....damn when I think about it after time-skip whenever Luffy is involved the thing becomes trash....because story adjusts to him.
Also even if people hated reading something like say skypeia weekly... its a good arc. Not the case with wano.
Legend of the galactic hero.
Also even if people hated reading something like say skypeia weekly... its a good arc. Not the case with wano.
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Legend of the galactic hero.
This is a major problem with post-TS that remains largely unaddressed, imo: Luffy is detrimental to it because, as you said, plot adjusts to him instead of the other way around. Luffy got the most panel time in every New World arc bar Reverie (IIRC), but:
The best thing about PH is Law.
The best thing about Dressrosa is Doffy.
The best thing about Zou is info dump.
The best thing about WCI is Katakuri.
The best thing about Reverie is lore dump.
The best thing about Wano is Zoro.
It is to the point where Luffy is now more detrimental to the story than not, tbh.
Luffy's involement in an arc should be made as personal as possible, like in the Summit War saga, because his days as an involved bystander are over. I hope this means his storylines against Teach and Akainu deliver.
The best thing about PH is Law.
The best thing about Dressrosa is Doffy.
The best thing about Zou is info dump.
The best thing about WCI is Katakuri.
The best thing about Reverie is lore dump.
The best thing about Wano is Zoro.
It is to the point where Luffy is now more detrimental to the story than not, tbh.
Luffy's involement in an arc should be made as personal as possible, like in the Summit War saga, because his days as an involved bystander are over. I hope this means his storylines against Teach and Akainu deliver.
This is a major problem with post-TS that remains largely unaddressed, imo: Luffy is detrimental to it because, as you said, plot adjusts to him instead of the other way around. Luffy got the most panel time in every New World arc bar Reverie (IIRC), but:
The best thing about PH is Law.
The best thing about Dressrosa is Doffy.
The best thing about Zou is info dump.
The best thing about WCI is Katakuri.
The best thing about Reverie is lore dump.
The best thing about Wano is Zoro.
It is to the point where Luffy is now more detrimental to the story than not, tbh.
Luffy's involement in an arc should be made as personal as possible, like in the Summit War saga, because his days as an involved bystander are over. I hope this means his storylines against Teach and Akainu deliver.
The best thing about PH is Law.
The best thing about Dressrosa is Doffy.
The best thing about Zou is info dump.
The best thing about WCI is Katakuri.
The best thing about Reverie is lore dump.
The best thing about Wano is Zoro.
It is to the point where Luffy is now more detrimental to the story than not, tbh.
Luffy's involement in an arc should be made as personal as possible, like in the Summit War saga, because his days as an involved bystander are over. I hope this means his storylines against Teach and Akainu deliver.
That's actually not true.
When Oda's writing is actually on point - which it hasn't been for much since the timeskip - the weekly discussions are full of positive vibes and hyping each other up.
Trust me, I'm also an oldtimer. I remember that:
- Sabaody was beloved
- Impel Down was hype
- Marineford was hype
- first part of Dressrosa (until the Birdcage) was well received
- Zou was beloved
- first half of WCI (up until the end of the teaparty) was really well received
- Reverie was just insane hype
There was very little complaining during those parts of the story, because it was simply great to read week for week.
The instances where the overall vibes are getting really negative perfectly correlate with the actual parts of the story, where the writing declines rapidly (bad pacing, questionable plot-decisions etc.):
- Fishman Island (uninteresting villains, questionable pacing)
- second half of Dressrosa (horrible, horrible pacing)
- second half of WCI (horrible pacing again and some really idiotic writing decisions - PIS and plot armor en masse)
- during various parts of Wano, especially the second act (pacing) and the current raid (writing decisions)
When Oda's writing is actually on point - which it hasn't been for much since the timeskip - the weekly discussions are full of positive vibes and hyping each other up.
Trust me, I'm also an oldtimer. I remember that:
- Sabaody was beloved
- Impel Down was hype
- Marineford was hype
- first part of Dressrosa (until the Birdcage) was well received
- Zou was beloved
- first half of WCI (up until the end of the teaparty) was really well received
- Reverie was just insane hype
There was very little complaining during those parts of the story, because it was simply great to read week for week.
The instances where the overall vibes are getting really negative perfectly correlate with the actual parts of the story, where the writing declines rapidly (bad pacing, questionable plot-decisions etc.):
- Fishman Island (uninteresting villains, questionable pacing)
- second half of Dressrosa (horrible, horrible pacing)
- second half of WCI (horrible pacing again and some really idiotic writing decisions - PIS and plot armor en masse)
- during various parts of Wano, especially the second act (pacing) and the current raid (writing decisions)