Isnt Meruem's Hatsu just a better version of Chrollos?

Fujishiro

Just chilling
#21
Eh, the DC is more of a survival thing than a fight thing. Prime Netero went there twice looking for a 1vs1 opponent and didnt find what he looked for, the ultimate fight.

I see what you are saying but for me you can survive in the DC without being the strongest. Just gotta be strong enough for me plenty of people can survive there.

Don did probably eat one of those things that gave him immortality though and then it all depends on if he trained all those years or not. I somehow doubt Togashi would make him stronger then adult Gon anyways.

And Meruems potential is insane I mean he was barely a month old and show all this stuff, imagine if he remained alive and kept growing through training and eating nen users.
 
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#22
Eh, the DC is more of a survival thing than a fight thing. Prime Netero went there twice looking for a 1vs1 opponent and didnt find what he looked for, the ultimate fight.

I see what you are saying but for me you can survive in the DC without being the strongest.
Wrong. Chimera Ants came to the NGL cause they couldn't survive in the dark continent. Don Freecs has being living there for who knows how long. It doesn't matter how OP Meruem was, the calamities will be stronger and Don Freecs and the whoever makes it to the Dark Continent will have to have some serious power level gains to compete with the threats in that place. Chimera ants were just a tease of the Dark Continent.
 

Fujishiro

Just chilling
#24
Wrong. Chimera Ants came to the NGL cause they couldn't survive in the dark continent. Don Freecs has being living there for who knows how long. It doesn't matter how OP Meruem was, the calamities will be stronger and Don Freecs and the whoever makes it to the Dark Continent will have to have some serious power level gains to compete with the threats in that place. Chimera ants were just a tease of the Dark Continent.
The chimeras that came to the NGL were ones that never reached human size nor encountered nen users.

The calamities are more forces of natural then actual combattants Its easier to nuke the ants but how can you nuke a virus? An entity thats incorporeal ( AI),etc

Just gotta be strong enough for me plenty of people can survive there.

Don did probably eat one of those things that gave him immortality though and then it all depends on if he trained all those years or not. I somehow doubt Togashi would make him stronger then adult Gon anyways.

And Meruems potential is insane I mean he was barely a month old and show all this stuff, imagine if he remained alive and kept growing through training and eating nen users.

The ants were nuked because they were too strong, you cant nuke forces of nature you survive in them.

They very fact that Prime Netero who never said he couldnt survive in the DC and was the strongest nen user went there looking for a martial arts fight and found nothing of the sort. Youre expecting too much of the calamities and Don Freecs.
 
#25
The chimeras that came to the NGL were ones that never reached human size nor encountered nen users.

The calamities are more forces of natural then actual combattants Its easier to nuke the ants but how can you nuke a virus? An entity thats incorporeal ( AI),etc

Also read the above post of mine I edited it.
Whatever is it that is possessing Aluka could one tap post-rose Meruem or any version of him really. There are levels to nen power. We are entering some Bleach level power levels now.
 

Fujishiro

Just chilling
#26
Whatever is it that is possessing Aluka could one tap post-rose Meruem or any version of him really. There are levels to nen power. We are entering some Bleach level power levels now.
Yeah because its a wish granting entity, like I said forces of nature. Alluka could die to one of Illumis needlemen yet had the power to do what you described.

Ai is likely a specialist type of entity. Im hoping you understand the difference between wishes and the 1vs1 ultimate fight Netero looked for all his life. Sure Nanikka can kill Post Rose Meruem if someone wishes for it and then what? Whats the cost? And does it matter in a 1vs1 fight? No.

Thats why Im telling you that you are conflating danger levels with individual power. Post Rose Meruem was broken but a mere wish and he dies.

Post rose Meruem was also broken individually but dies to a nuke (technology).

Another example of individual power vs surviving against existential threats is a tiger vs any kind of deadly virus. You can shoot the tiger dead but the virus cant be killed like that and you die.

So the virus is more dangerous then the tiger but individually as a fighter the Tiger is at the top but that doesnt really matter.
 
#27
Yeah because its a wish granting entity, like I said forces of nature. Alluka could die to one of Illumis needlemen yet had the power to do what you described.

Ai is likely a specialist type of entity. Im hoping you understand the difference between wishes and the 1vs1 ultimate fight Netero looked for all his life. Sure Nanikka can kill Post Rose Meruem if someone wishes for it and then what? Whats the cost? And does it matter in a 1vs1 fight? No.

Thats why Im telling you that you are conflating danger levels with individual power. Post Rose Meruem was broken but a mere wish and he dies.

Post rose Meruem was also broken individually but dies to a nuke (technology).

Another example of individual power vs surviving against existential threats is a tiger vs any kind of deadly virus. You can shoot the tiger dead but the virus cant be killed like that and you die.

So the virus is more dangerous then the tiger but individually as a fighter the Tiger is at the top but that doesnt really matter.
Yes, but lets not forget Netero was far from his prime and his hatsu was not the most suitable to take down a tank like Meruem. A conjurer, manipulator or specialist of the caliber of Netero would certainly be able to beat Meruem. He literally died to poison. There are quite a few abilities that could take him down. Nen isn't only about aura quantity and tankiness.
 

Fujishiro

Just chilling
#28
Yes, but lets not forget Netero was far from his prime and his hatsu was not the most suitable to take down a tank like Meruem. A conjurer, manipulator or specialist of the caliber of Netero would certainly be able to beat Meruem. He literally died to poison. There are quite a few abilities that could take him down. Nen isn't only about aura quantity and tankiness.
Netero stated that he was half as strong as prime, this was betore going to train in the mountains to shape up. Say he gained another 60%.

With 60% of his prime power he got low diffed. Maybe mid diffed. In his prime he would push newborn Meruem to what a high diff?

Anyone can beat Meruem provided they have the right ability,etc thats what the manga taught us.

You can be the apex of every stat possible and yet still die to some stupid hax Hatsu or just a nuke.

Nen isnt aura quantity and physical stats I agree but when it gets to a point where the guy can blitz you before you ever react (Post Rose Meruem could literally teleport) its gets silly. Youd need insane reaction speed and for Meruem to be fucking around for your hax to work. Or once again just nuke him.

Netero only survived that long and wasnt a negg diff because Meruem wasnt trying to kill him ( he removed his leg in the first hit when he couldvr gone for the head) and because he had the perfect ability to stall him, so even people on Neteros caliber are kind of fodder to Meruem.
 
#29
Netero stated that he was half as strong as prime, this was betore going to train in the mountains to shape up. Say he gained another 60%.

With 60% of his prime power he got low diffed. Maybe mid diffed. In his prime he would push newborn Meruem to what a high diff?

Anyone can beat Meruem provided they have the right ability,etc thats what the manga taught us.

You can be the apex of every stat possible and yet still die to some stupid hax Hatsu or just a nuke.

Nen isny aura quantity and physical stats I agree but when it gets to a point where the guy can blitz you before you ever react (Post Rose Meruem coukd literally teleport) its gets silly. Youd need insane reaction speed and for Meruem to be fucking around for your hax to work. Or once again just nuke him.
Camilla's hax would be interesting.
 

Fujishiro

Just chilling
#32
That guy that could create spaces could neg durability too. That one guy that aged after sensing Youpi aura. An OP hatsu wasted on a pussy.
You mean Knov yeah his hatsu mightve worked though we dont know if there is a limit to his ap but with meleoron they couldve tried killing Meruem that way lol.
 
#33
It could kill him maybe yeah. Depends if there is a limit to the aura output it gives out to kill the target or if it just kills whoever kills her no questions asked.
Anyway, i think you might be right about Meruem. Too many guys with that powerlevel around would break the powerscaling of this manga. This is not DBZ. Needing a GenkiDama to take down one dude is ridiculous.
 

Fujishiro

Just chilling
#34
Anyway, i think you might be right about Meruem. Too many guys with that powerleve around would break the powerscaling of this manga. This is not DBZ. Needing a GenkiDama to take down one dude is ridiculous.
Yeah he and the guards just died to a nuke ( Or in Pitous case a guy as strong as the King who cheated his way there) because they were too strong to be left alive. Netero got his ultimate 1vs1 fight and then nuked him lol.

And this is indeed not DBZ, abilities and smart thinking wins fights for the most part.
 
#35
Yeah he and the guards just died to a nuke ( Or in Pitous case a guy as strong as the King who cheated his way there) because they were too strong to be left alive. Netero got his ultimate 1vs1 fight and then nuked him lol.

And this is indeed not DBZ, abilities and smart thinking wins fights for the most part.
How do you think Dark Continent antagonists will scale to Netero and Meruem?
 

MUUGEN

呪のろいの王
#36
Meruem eats a nen user, acquires their abilities and their nen aura.

Chrollo has to fulfill a bunch of conditions to acquire the ability but has to hold his book at all times and until lately couldnt use multiple abilities at the same time.



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It's not Hatsu but dude is dead he's irrelevant
 

ConquistadoR

The Rogue Prince
#37
I'd take the deadbeat dad and Beyond in a pure nen fight. Tserry has the potential too.

but i guess chrono is right in that meruem is the strongest person who can also use nen. Most of his strength is from his insane physicals tho.
"Strongest swordsman and strongest man who uses a sword" type brainrot.
Keep that in the Op section lol.
 
#39
Maybe it’s been too long but iirc Meruem gets their aura, basically their ren and ten. Chollo can steal Nen Abilities but not their actual aura so his ten and ren remain the same
 
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