Controversial Itachi vs Dolflamingo

[Sentinel]

You can either take it at Zetsu's face value that it outright deflects all things or that it changes form to deflect all things from the DB. Your pick cowboy.

Or I pick the option that's the same exaggerating BS like claiming Kirin can't be blocked or evaded? Shouldn't be difficult.

Don't be pedantic when the language says the same thing.

The second one is about "it's said", thus it'd merely treated as a rumor.
But this one is my bad, I forgot to include the "It's treated as a rumor" part, lol.

The only attack it actually deflected was Sasuke's fodder attacks with his katana and shit to be fair. It's the fact that Kishimoto glazed it so hard in the manga, told us how it functions in the DBs and never once tried to contradict these tools, unlike the other pair of sacred tools that Darui found counters towards.

The Sword of Nunoboko was said to create or destroy the world, yet it was destroyed by the combined attack of the alliance.

So I have no reason to treat this particular statement as the only exception when it comes to abilities. Kishimoto always found ways to not make certain abilities too broken and I don't think he truly thought Yata Mirror could deflect world ending moves.
Unlike Yata Mirror, this sword was described to be used by Hagoromo who created the world with it.

These are treated as bonified and unquestionable in the manga without any hint of them being weaker than advertised.

The last time we've seen Itachi fight someone was Kabutomaru and something like his mirror certainly wasn't used at the final part of this manga, lol.

You can keep the rumor discussions to OP lol, Zetsu is out expositor here, one of the oldest and most knowledgeable characters in Naruto and Kishimotro backs this up by telling us exactly how Yata Mirror operates and performs its spoken function.

I don't see why I should make an exception out of Naruto when we're dealing with rumors. Especially when it comes to Naruto whose verse has ridiculously high amount of hyperboles or straight up complete exaggerations of certain abilities.

Fine, I mean, you can have the unbreakable mirror but then you'd also have to accept Naruto characters like Itachi can hardly perceive some lightning bolt. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

If you wanna go to extremes and say it can't stop the big bang sure, but it most definitely is stopping Bijuu dama and very likely juubi dama

It's repelling a Bijuu Dama at most. I think that should be expected considering Madara's shield, or whatever that one is called, deflected Naruto's Bijuu Dama.

And the only reason you have to doubt it is your own biases out of verse lol, that's the funny part.

I believe Itachi's mirror isn't deflecting everything in-verse, and especially NOT out-of-verse.
Do you think I only argue in favor of One Piece? I just scale OP high tiers above Naruto high tiers and since I'm treating Yata Mirror as an NLF, it's self-explanatory what I think about this one. If a Naruto god tier carried this mirror, I certainly wouldn't argue against this when it comes to characters like Doflamingo.

I don't care about wanking hax for the sake of it being more hax lol.

It's about this ability in particular:

"whether from a material or astral body, ninjutsu or physical", so it includes hax in this one as well.
If we go by this statement, which doesn't mean shit in crossover powerscaling, after all the Naruto cast certainly doesn't deal with DC levels of ridiculous powers, it'd mean Yata Mirror can also block these, non physical-based attacks.

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Doesn't matter. If the moon drops on him he'll die from the yata unable to cover for him, if it's just moon lvl ap it doesn't matter because that's what hax is.... it's called hax for a reason. These are spiritual weapons, that don't even have a physical form.

Prove one thing this hax can deflect planet busting AP. It should be easy considering Naruto god tiers are planet busters.

Also, the shape and form of the weapon doesn't matter when it still has its own limits. Or else we can claim Bleach weapons will never break from physical based attacks from other verses.

 

[ZenZu]

Prove one thing this hax can deflect planet busting AP. It should be easy considering Naruto god tiers are planet busters.

Also, the shape and form of the weapon doesn't matter when it still has its own limits. Or else we can claim Bleach weapons will never break from physical based attacks from other verses.

That doesn't count. We have to operate under the notion that baseline abilities can interact equally across verses. You have to give everyone a fair shot. Yata Mirror simply is a magic tool that ignores any attack upon contact. It is what it is, that is why it is in the hax category, as far as we know simply no amount of chakra is bypassing Yata mirror.

This is not the same as Law's room or Soi Fon's suzumebachi. Those abilities yield to large enough energy pools. There is no indication Yata Mirror operates like that.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

Or I pick the option that's the same exaggerating BS like claiming Kirin can't be blocked or evaded? Shouldn't be difficult.

I feel like you need to take a step back, realize that hyperbole exists in this manga & Kirin was presented as an attack just like Amaterasu. Which we see Ay evade in the manga 80 chapters later.

And for anyone who isn't a god tier or with precog on a high level lightning is an instant kill in Naruto.

The second one is about "it's said", thus it'd merely treated as a rumor.
But this one is my bad, I forgot to include the "It's treated as a rumor" part, lol.

Zetsu, the speaker, treats it as a rumor because his experience with it seems to be limited but he knows and treats it as valid.

The 1,000+ goo monster born from Kaguya's will.

So you can choose to take it as a "rumor" when Zetsu says it though I'd probably acknowledge that if Zetsu is shivering at how powerful these are supposed to be, they are very powerful. Not to mention they were valuable enough to be on Orochimaru's list of things he wants.

But again, rumors is only in-manga because Zetsu cannot speak from his literal experience with these, seemingly having none to barely any. The Databooks are treating the statement literal, are not coming from someone in-universe bound by what they do and do not know, and explain how the Yata Mirror functions.

When you have the break down of what it does, that no longer makes it a rumor. That's the author explaining the jutsu.

The Sword of Nunoboko was said to create or destroy the world, yet it was destroyed by the combined attack of the alliance.

So you're telling me when Oda hypes up these god like tools and swords, he's wiling to show them being overcome and the hype destroyed, like with Obito's DNA sword or the Sage's 6 tools that Darui outsmarted?

But he doesn't do that or give any evidence for Itachi's being less than what he presents them as?

That's a strong argument for the spirit tools being the real deal.

I don't see why I should make an exception out of Naruto when we're dealing with rumors. Especially when it comes to Naruto whose verse has ridiculously high amount of hyperboles or straight up complete exaggerations of certain abilities.

Fine, I mean, you can have the unbreakable mirror but then you'd also have to accept Naruto characters like Itachi can hardly perceive some lightning bolt. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

Lol

Yes, Lightning is a hard limit for most Naruto characters. Itachi can mentally react to summon his skeletal or ribcage Susano'o, before it hits.


Again, it's rumors but never presented as false, never has Kishi used these weapons and tried to make the audience doubt them. If you had anything like that, maybe I could see your argument. But they function as promised, the Totsuka blade seals every time it's used. Unfortunately the Yata Mirror wasn't given impressive showings but that doesn't make the hype nor the DB statements less real.

It's repelling a Bijuu Dama at most. I think that should be expected considering Madara's shield, or whatever that one is called, deflected Naruto's Bijuu Dama.

It's changing properties to deflect anything.

I believe Itachi's mirror isn't deflecting everything in-verse, and especially NOT out-of-verse.
Do you think I only argue in favor of One Piece? I just scale OP high tiers above Naruto high tiers and since I'm treating Yata Mirror as an NLF, it's self-explanatory what I think about this one. If a Naruto god tier carried this mirror, I certainly wouldn't argue against this when it comes to characters like Doflamingo.

The only attacks it might not deflect are those that can outhax it, those that can destroy dimensions or potentially Kaguya's all killing bones. Can't see any others overcoming it.

"whether from a material or astral body, ninjutsu or physical", so it includes hax in this one as well.
If we go by this statement, which doesn't mean shit in crossover powerscaling, after all the Naruto cast certainly doesn't deal with DC levels of ridiculous powers, it'd mean Yata Mirror can also block these, non physical-based attacks.

Lmfao okay, so now the explanation of how it works doesn't matter. It lists categories of attacks in the Naruto-verse and then says they don't work. Kishimoto didn't need to go that far, he could've left it at attacks in general, but he reinforced that astral attacks (Kamui) do not work specifically.

That's more validity to it being true if anything, the more details that aren't hyperbole added the more legitimate the jutsu is.

Hax is hax, I do not think Infinite Tsukuyomi could be stopped by Yata Mirror for example. Kaguya can transport others through dimensions, possibly with her Yomotsu Hirasaka depending if it's astral categorized or not.

 

[Sentinel]

That doesn't count. We have to operate under the notion that baseline abilities can interact equally across verses. You have to give everyone a fair shot. Yata Mirror simply is a magic tool that ignores any attack upon contact. It is what it is, that is why it is in the hax category, as far as we know simply no amount of chakra is bypassing Yata mirror.

That's even more of a reason to say this ability is restrictive. Like, do you think this mirror is the only thing which can do something like that? Arceus has its plates which work similarly but unlike Itachi's, his has more feats and is actually broken because these plates are the essence of the universe.
That is just one example but you can see how limited Itachi's Yata Mirror is when you compare it with other similar things which have way better feats.

The manga statement is too vague about its abilities and the databook is just the usual exaggerated nonsense. I've provided several pictures of databook statements in the previous page, which are just completely ridiculous. I've yet to see an actual good argument to why we should treat Yata Mirror as an unbreakable defence without limits, when it comes to crossover battles.

 

[ZenZu]

That's even more of a reason to say this ability is restrictive. Like, do you think this mirror is the only thing which can do something like that? Arceus has its plates which work similarly but unlike Itachi's, his has more feats and is actually broken because these plates are the essence of the universe.
That is just one example but you can see how limited Itachi's Yata Mirror is when you compare it with other similar things which have way better feats.

The manga statement is too vague about its abilities and the databook is just the usual exaggerated nonsense. I've provided several pictures of databook statements in the previous page, which are just completely ridiculous. I've yet to see an actual good argument to why we should treat Yata Mirror as an unbreakable defence without limits, when it comes to crossover battles.

Then it loses to those other hax verses, I don't see anything wrong with that. Yata mirror wouldn't even be top 10 in the broken things Bleach verse has.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

Then it loses to those other hax verses, I don't see anything wrong with that. Yata mirror wouldn't even be top 10 in the broken things Bleach verse has.

Kubo wrote his own Yata Mirror in the Sternritter W "The Wind", where anything that comes at him is deflected back.

He still gets killed because he cannot perceive an attack lol

It's also only hax for as long as Itachi holds up a Susano'o, he needs V3 to manifest it and that's not a free ability for him. People rightfully look at how breaking these tools are without realizing that Itachi isn't keeping them up for 20+ minutes of fighting. Kishi balanced it via the strain on Itachi, rather than weaknesses for the tools themselves.

 

[Akai2]

Why is this thread still open? Doffy CoC diffs

 

[Sentinel]

I feel like you need to take a step back, realize that hyperbole exists in this manga & Kirin was presented as an attack just like Amaterasu. Which we see Ay evade in the manga 80 chapters later.

"It repels Sasuke's attacks" & "It's said to repel all things" are suddenly an exception cuz we've rarely seen it's use on combat after that? Amaterasu is a core mechanism to MS/EMS Sasuke's abilities, that's why we've seen immediate counters against it.
Yata Mirror was just one of the sage tools being addressed once as some invincible things and never used again.

Zetsu, the speaker, treats it as a rumor because his experience with it seems to be limited but he knows and treats it as valid.

The 1,000+ goo monster born from Kaguya's will.

So you can choose to take it as a "rumor" when Zetsu says it though I'd probably acknowledge that if Zetsu is shivering at how powerful these are supposed to be, they are very powerful. Not to mention they were valuable enough to be on Orochimaru's list of things he wants.

But again, rumors is only in-manga because Zetsu cannot speak from his literal experience with these, seemingly having none to barely any. The Databooks are treating the statement literal, are not coming from someone in-universe bound by what they do and do not know, and explain how the Yata Mirror functions.

When you have the break down of what it does, that no longer makes it a rumor. That's the author explaining the jutsu.

Bro, the first paragraph and there's already a contradiction.
So if Black Zetsu has a limited source of knowledge when it comes to this weapon, how can we conclude that he's a reliable source in the first place?

Black Zetsu was born like several hundreds of years ago but it doesn't mean his knowledge of this world is limitless, just like how he thought Kirin cannot be dodged but was surprised when Itachi briefly blocked it at the blink of a second, lol.

Sure, they are part of the sage tools after all. I don't think Yata Mirror is just meant to block Kirin or some fire kunais at best but there's no argument it can block something like that:

Spoiler

So the databook statement isn't an extention of Zetsu's vague explanation but how it usually describes abilities? Bro, you can find lots of these in various databook statements. I've posted several on these on the previous page:

Especially the Orochimaru one is something which isn't even that different compared to the Yata Mirror statement.
The databooks are very extreme in hyperboles and exaggerated statements, a lot. While the manga treats is as a rumor or mystery how Yata Mirror truly works, the databook goes into detail that it can repel physical, astral bodies, ninjutsus, etc - so everything.

So you're telling me when Oda hypes up these god like tools and swords, he's wiling to show them being overcome and the hype destroyed, like with Obito's DNA sword or the Sage's 6 tools that Darui outsmarted?

The world was at the stake of being turned into an eternal Tsukuyomi, so the alliance couldn't allow themselves to fail destroying the same weapon which was wielded by Hagoromo to create the world, unlike the sage tools which were used in minor battles compared to this one.

So yes, a world creating AND destroying weapon lost the clash against a non-haxed attack.

I have no reason to think Totsuga sword would just absorb this combined attack effortlessly. I mean, this would be crazy to think otherwise.

Yes, Lightning is a hard limit for most Naruto characters. Itachi can mentally react to summon his skeletal or ribcage Susano'o, before it hits.


Again, it's rumors but never presented as false, never has Kishi used these weapons and tried to make the audience doubt them. If you had anything like that, maybe I could see your argument. But they function as promised, the Totsuka blade seals every time it's used. Unfortunately the Yata Mirror wasn't given impressive showings but that doesn't make the hype nor the DB statements less real.

"Lightning is a hard limit for most Naruto characters." versus "Nobody can block or evade this attack!" are two entirely different things because Kirin got blocked in fact.

Totsuka sword is a sealing technique which has a pretty good argument to work against opponents (honestly, it'd definitely fail to seal the likes of Juudara or even Kaguya), Yata Mirror is neither a special sealing technique nor does it have some invincible barrier which parries everything and the attack is automatically cancelled. Look at those two panels:

The only argument is that the shield isn't physical. I mean, it kinda does? I mean, Orochimaru was charging against it and it wasn't intangible or some other thing.
The user can even be pushed back.

I don't remember the fight against Kabutomaru that well but iirc, Yata Mirror wasn't even used against Kabutomaru.

Besides, less feats or confirmation of no limits to repel everything is an argument why Yata Mirror can be easily discarded in VS discussions when Itachi is just 4000x weaker than his opponent. I'm especially not using hype in these discussions, come on, these things are useless, lol. Try again.

It's changing properties to deflect anything.

Where?

I repeat: "I'd like to see the "changing form" in the actual manga, tho.
As of now, I've seen these:

Spoiler

"

Honestly, I'm even confused about the "repelling" part because from what I see, are these attacks simply getting blocked? Okay, this one is nitpicking, so ignore this part lol.

The only attacks it might not deflect are those that can outhax it, those that can destroy dimensions or potentially Kaguya's all killing bones. Can't see any others overcoming it.

So it proves, this part:

especially the "ninjutsu" and "astral body" part, ends up to be wrong when other attacks outhax these. If you include Kaguya's all killing bones, this is a physical attack and if it works on Yata Mirror, there's no reason to assume Yata Mirror simply repels everything. The "everything" or "all things" - basically the same synonyms - can mean many things. All jutsus in the shinobi worlds, meteors, asteroids, falling moons - that's the part when the "all things" begin to get vague because sure, you can say it can block everything in this verse but if we compare this ability to other verses, it suddenly shows its true limit.

If it can be outhaxed by similar abilities, it proves Yata Mirror isn't limitless. Simple as that.

Lmfao okay, so now the explanation of how it works doesn't matter. It lists categories of attacks in the Naruto-verse and then says they don't work. Kishimoto didn't need to go that far, he could've left it at attacks in general, but he reinforced that astral attacks (Kamui) do not work specifically.

That's more validity to it being true if anything, the more details that aren't hyperbole added the more legitimate the jutsu is.

Hax is hax, I do not think Infinite Tsukuyomi could be stopped by Yata Mirror for example. Kaguya can transport others through dimensions, possibly with her Yomotsu Hirasaka depending if it's astral categorized or not.

Can it work against truth-seeking balls?
Can it work against Kaguya's all killing bones?
Can it work against Toneri's moon splitting laser?
Can it work against DMS Kakashi's Kamui?

I'm not even sure if it works against Pre War Arc Kakashi's Kamui since we've never seen Itachi blocking actual astral bodies/attacks. It might be enough to block Jinton but well, even Madara's Perfect Susanoo works against this one. You just told Kaguya's all killing bones potentially bypass the mirror even though it's not even an astral attack. So how does this one work?
Also, even IF IT WORKS on almost all abilities within the Naruto verse, it certainly DOESN'T MEAN it's working on the majority of other verses which are not DC or Marvel like broken. Would it block Zeref's death magic for example? I mean, Natsu can even burn time and death. Would it block Law's spatial hax or Blackbeard's Yami Yami no Mi? Blueno's ability? Yami's dimensional slashes? Piccolo's or Roshi's Mafuba? One verse just has to show some different ability compared to jutsus - non Haki DF abilities are not even spiritual based - and suddenly, Yata Mirror isn't so impenetrable... So yes, it's a fallacy when you're not certain of the actual limits of this shield/barrier.

It's about what this attack can or cannot block, what the limits of this ability are. More details are not enough to say the barrier is invincible, especially if it's from the databook.

If you count Infinite Tsukuyomi as an astral body, I don't see why Yata Mirror wouldn't block this one since it's based on the user's vision being reflected upon the moon as a genjutsu and shines upon the world. If it can block light, it should be able to defend Itachi from it.

 

[SakazOuki]

I'd like to see the "changing form" in the actual manga, tho.
As of now, I've seen these:

Spoiler

Yes, absolutely, lol.

Firstly, "Its shield is repelling all of Sasuke's attacks."
Secondly, "is said to deflect all things."

Nowhere is it making clear it's some universal shield which is repelling everything from the universe. Because repelling all of Sasuke's attacks doesn't mean he's taking Juubi's Bijuu Dama or even god tier exclusive feats. "It's said" to repel all things is based on a rumor and so far, Itachi's feats do not support how he's repelling all the other stuff.

Heck, we've seen Black Zetsu glazing the shit out of Kirin at the previous chapters, lol.

So no, I have no reason to treat this shield as some unbreakable defence in-verse and I certainly do not treat it as such when we compare different verses. In this case, Itachi is lucky because OP verse is known to have the weakest hax among the HST verse. Compare Itachi with actual broken characters, who're casually changing the laws of physics, and it's looking different...

As far as hax goes I think Hashirama’s no seal 5 rashomon gates are more powerful than Yata Mirror

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

"It repels Sasuke's attacks" & "It's said to repel all things" are suddenly an exception cuz we've rarely seen it's use on combat after that? Amaterasu is a core mechanism to MS/EMS Sasuke's abilities, that's why we've seen immediate counters against it.
Yata Mirror was just one of the sage tools being addressed once as some invincible things and never used again.

Okay?

Bro, the first paragraph and there's already a contradiction.
So if Black Zetsu has a limited source of knowledge when it comes to this weapon, how can we conclude that he's a reliable source in the first place?

Because he's a 1k old goo baby that has meddled with multiple reincarnates and the Uchiha line. He knows more about the Narutoverse than we do from an outside perspective. If he thinks these weapons live up to their hype, they most likely do.

Sure, they are part of the sage tools after all. I don't think Yata Mirror is just meant to block Kirin or some fire kunais at best but there's no argument it can block something like that:

It didn't block Kirin because Itachi cannot manifest a susano'o that fast & was damaged by Kirin, Susano'o's Ribcage or V2 form took that.

Especially the Orochimaru one is something which isn't even that different compared to the Yata Mirror statement.
The databooks are very extreme in hyperboles and exaggerated statements, a lot. While the manga treats is as a rumor or mystery how Yata Mirror truly works, the databook goes into detail that it can repel physical, astral bodies, ninjutsus, etc - so everything.

I'ma be honest with you Sentinel, it takes basic reading comprehension to tell when it's a hyperbole or not and hyperboles are apart of writing. It doesn't take away from the mechanical discussions of the jutsu being broken down. Just skimming these, Gaara's is a great example.

If Yata mirror changes its state to counter any attack, that's what it does.

Totsuka sword is a sealing technique which has a pretty good argument to work against opponents (honestly, it'd definitely fail to seal the likes of Juudara or even Kaguya), Yata Mirror is neither a special sealing technique nor does it have some invincible barrier which parries everything and the attack is automatically cancelled. Look at those two panels:

You're seeing it in use lol. It provided cover against both attacks, that's what it does. This is what'll happen to other attacks that hit yata Mirror, I'm not sure what you were expecting.

I don't remember the fight against Kabutomaru that well but iirc, Yata Mirror wasn't even used against Kabutomaru.

Full Susano'o wasn't used against Kabuto.

he world was at the stake of being turned into an eternal Tsukuyomi, so the alliance couldn't allow themselves to fail destroying the same weapon which was wielded by Hagoromo to create the world, unlike the sage tools which were used in minor battles compared to this one.

So yes, a world creating AND destroying weapon lost the clash against a non-haxed attack.

I have no reason to think Totsuga sword would just absorb this combined attack effortlessly. I mean, this would be crazy to think otherwise.

A sword that has done nothing but be hyped up by Obito was destroyed.
Totsuka is hyped up by Zetsu, Orochimaru, seals orochimaru & Nagato

These aren't the same thing and again, this comes down to reading comprehension. If you can't throw away the obvious hype lines to look at the context behind these abilities, that's not a me issue.

Where?

I repeat: "I'd like to see the "changing form" in the actual manga, tho.
As of now, I've seen these:

Spoiler

"

Honestly, I'm even confused about the "repelling" part because from what I see, are these attacks simply getting blocked? Okay, this one is nitpicking, so ignore this part lol.

You can nitpick language with Kishimoto, he uses repel and then deflect interchangeably when describing it.

Yes, it's changing form to block the attacks. Look at Yata against the explosive attacks versus against Orochi or even the top panel, you can see it looking differently.

So it proves, this part:

especially the "ninjutsu" and "astral body" part, ends up to be wrong when other attacks outhax these. If you include Kaguya's all killing bones, this is a physical attack and if it works on Yata Mirror, there's no reason to assume Yata Mirror simply repels everything. The "everything" or "all things" - basically the same synonyms - can mean many things. All jutsus in the shinobi worlds, meteors, asteroids, falling moons - that's the part when the "all things" begin to get vague because sure, you can say it can block everything in this verse but if we compare this ability to other verses, it suddenly shows its true limit.

If it can be outhaxed by similar abilities, it proves Yata Mirror isn't limitless. Simple as that.

If you can outhax it yes, if you bring an attack that is material, astral ,ninjutsu or physical, it will be countered. You need a way around it and brute force clearly ain't it until you go onto a scale where we're looking at DBZ characters.

Can it work against truth-seeking balls?
Can it work against Kaguya's all killing bones?
Can it work against Toneri's moon splitting laser?
Can it work against DMS Kakashi's Kamui?

Presumably it would take on the shape of the truth seeking balls
Unknown because the DBs for all killing ashbones state it can go through dimensions.
I need more context on what his attack is, I never watched the Last.
Yes, unless Kakashi kamuis the entire area around Itachi, it is getting countered because Kamui is classified as an astral jutsu and astral jutsu are listed as something it can handle

 

[Veku]

They can't cope with Itachi's broken abilities

Technically someone who could blow up the planet can just beat Itachi by not attacking only the mirror, a solid attack with any AOE and Itachi can lose to a planet buster.

Isn't Itachi when using Susanoo on a time limit anyway? Also the shield doesn't cover Susanoo as whole right? Quite unfortunate against someone who can transform the entire battlefield into strings, including the ground Itachi is standing on..

 

[GalaxyLevelShanks]

Isn't Itachi when using Susanoo on a time limit anyway? Also the shield doesn't cover Susanoo as whole right? Quite unfortunate against someone who can transform the entire battlefield into strings, including the ground Itachi is standing on..

Strings can easily be countered by Itachi's Katon/Amaterasu or worst case Totsuka slicing through them all

 

[ZenZu]

Isn't Itachi when using Susanoo on a time limit anyway? Also the shield doesn't cover Susanoo as whole right? Quite unfortunate against someone who can transform the entire battlefield into strings, including the ground Itachi is standing on..

Yea Doflamingo doesn't have to worry about Susanoo or the yata mirror, he can deal with those no problem. He has to worry about tsukuyomi.

 

[GalaxyLevelShanks]

Yea Doflamingo doesn't have to worry about Susanoo or the yata mirror, he can deal with those no problem. He has to worry about tsukuyomi.

Amaterasu and Finger/Crow genjutsu fuck him up also. If you don't have intel against Itachi then you're really fucked. Mingo has a lot superior speed scaling but that's not gonna prompt him to just suddenly escape Itachi's LOS before Ama spawns right on him and burns him to a crisp.

 

[SkySanji]

Amaterasu and Finger/Crow genjutsu fuck him up also. If you don't have intel against Itachi then you're really fucked. Mingo has a lot superior speed scaling but that's not gonna prompt him to just suddenly escape Itachi's LOS before Ama spawns right on him and burns him to a crisp.

Amaterasu doesn't spawn on people, it travels.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

Yea Doflamingo doesn't have to worry about Susanoo or the yata mirror, he can deal with those no problem. He has to worry about tsukuyomi.

Dreaded finger genjutsu is enough

 

[ZenZu]

Amaterasu and Finger/Crow genjutsu fuck him up also. If you don't have intel against Itachi then you're really fucked. Mingo has a lot superior speed scaling but that's not gonna prompt him to just suddenly escape Itachi's LOS before Ama spawns right on him and burns him to a crisp.

Amaterasu is slow af for Doflamingo ngl. Yea finger genjutsu could be an issue but honestly parasite probably covers that too. Tsukuyomi is the only real threat, and boy is it a threat.

 

[soupongo]

Can Itachi deal with Birdcage