Break Week It's stupid how Oda has some characters "clash for days"
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Sorry I messed up my sentence. I wanted to say he went first base against Lucci and only after he went G2. Just like against Arlong he was warming up so he threw weak attacks.
You just contradicting yourself saying 3G is not the best option because of his drawback. G2 also has. G4 too. That just supports the fact Luffy can't go all out early on.
You just contradicting yourself saying 3G is not the best option because of his drawback. G2 also has. G4 too. That just supports the fact Luffy can't go all out early on.
i think oda should have just never done bigmom vs kaido for 3 days as it is bad on both of those characters since kaido said he doesnt remember last time he fought someone who can go toe to toe with him and bigmom not feeling immense pain since decades
these statements have bad effect on both the characters
these statements have bad effect on both the characters
It ain't stupid, that js what happens when both characters are equal or can neg each other's ability and the fight drags to a stamina battle rather than a damage battle.
Water vs Fire
Ice vs Magma
Top tier vs top tier
Great Defense barrier vs a straight fighter
Endurance beast vs weak punches (Luffy vs Kata)
That is the reason the fight lasts longer.
Or it will mean, that none of them were serious. I mean, they ended up drinking and making an alliance. So they pretty much were clashing and not trying to give a winner hit while they speak.
Water vs Fire
Ice vs Magma
Top tier vs top tier
Great Defense barrier vs a straight fighter
Endurance beast vs weak punches (Luffy vs Kata)
That is the reason the fight lasts longer.
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Or it will mean, that none of them were serious. I mean, they ended up drinking and making an alliance. So they pretty much were clashing and not trying to give a winner hit while they speak.
Even Luffy was resting between that 10 hours Cracker fight by retreating.
No one ever said the fights you mention went without any interruptions or that went non-stop.
Obviously they get interrupted and separated from time to time.
Jack's opponents were taking turns by resting and since Jack too went to collect the poison gas at some point he retreated as well.
Dorry and Brogy is the longest one and they don't fight non-stop, they have certain times to fight with volcano eruption signaling it.
WB vs Roger for 3 days too they get separated and then they fight again. They didn't fight non-stop.
If someone says Kaido vs Luffy lasted 15 days would it be wrong?
Luffy started to fight, and didn't give up until the end of Wano.
If Luffy getting KOed to Kaido stops the fight then Kaido beat Luffy more than Luffy beat him. So you can't say those KOs stopped the fight then how are you going to decide how long Wano lasted? Luffy needed to be trained for days to defeat Kaido. Does this time count for the overall time for Luffy vs Kaido? How are you going to decide for how long you can retreat and how long you can not?
No one ever said the fights you mention went without any interruptions or that went non-stop.
Obviously they get interrupted and separated from time to time.
Jack's opponents were taking turns by resting and since Jack too went to collect the poison gas at some point he retreated as well.
Dorry and Brogy is the longest one and they don't fight non-stop, they have certain times to fight with volcano eruption signaling it.
WB vs Roger for 3 days too they get separated and then they fight again. They didn't fight non-stop.
If someone says Kaido vs Luffy lasted 15 days would it be wrong?
Luffy started to fight, and didn't give up until the end of Wano.
If Luffy getting KOed to Kaido stops the fight then Kaido beat Luffy more than Luffy beat him. So you can't say those KOs stopped the fight then how are you going to decide how long Wano lasted? Luffy needed to be trained for days to defeat Kaido. Does this time count for the overall time for Luffy vs Kaido? How are you going to decide for how long you can retreat and how long you can not?
The reason why those fights lasted so long was because they are the only actual fair 1v1 fights in the series between to equal opponents without any outside interferences.
The reason the fights Luffy was in so far were over far quicker is due to outside interferences or because either Luffy or his opponents were outclassed.
The reason the fights Luffy was in so far were over far quicker is due to outside interferences or because either Luffy or his opponents were outclassed.
He didn't throw weak attacks, that doesn't make sense knowing that someone is strong. But at the same time he couldn't really be sure that Lucci was worth Gear 2.
This whole thing goes to two points: that he doesn't have fights that last for days, and that people probably think it was weird the way he approached Kaido. It's rare that Luffy makes his FIRST move his hardest, like the time he told Aokiji to fight him. Not so he can do weak shit, but he's not so irrational that he doesn't pace himself at all. But he'll try really hard early on if he thinks it's necessary, as he showed against Big Mom, Cracker, all throughout the raid, etc.
If you add up every fight he's had, it probably doesn't equal five days even if he's way stronger than Ace or Jack qt this point. Like an actual fighter he has the stamina, but he'd much rather win sooner than later, unlike Queen or Kaido for example.
Luffy's proven to be reckless all throughout the series so I don't know why you need that explained.
But because you mentioned a contradiction with his early gear shifts: 2 and 3 are interchangeable. 3 has monster power but average speed, 2 has pretty good power and high speed. Using 2 against Lucci wasn't just holding back 3 because of the drawback, the opponent was super fast and so he used super speed. You have to realize 3 as a finisher applies to guys like Caesar and Chinjao for the most part, lol.
Anyway, here's me actually proving what I say
He'll go from 2 to 3 or 3 to 2 based on what he needs. Gear 2 doesn't mean he's holding back.
This whole thing goes to two points: that he doesn't have fights that last for days, and that people probably think it was weird the way he approached Kaido. It's rare that Luffy makes his FIRST move his hardest, like the time he told Aokiji to fight him. Not so he can do weak shit, but he's not so irrational that he doesn't pace himself at all. But he'll try really hard early on if he thinks it's necessary, as he showed against Big Mom, Cracker, all throughout the raid, etc.
If you add up every fight he's had, it probably doesn't equal five days even if he's way stronger than Ace or Jack qt this point. Like an actual fighter he has the stamina, but he'd much rather win sooner than later, unlike Queen or Kaido for example.
Luffy's proven to be reckless all throughout the series so I don't know why you need that explained.
Anyway, here's me actually proving what I say
He'll go from 2 to 3 or 3 to 2 based on what he needs. Gear 2 doesn't mean he's holding back.
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He didn't throw weak attacks, that doesn't make sense knowing that someone is strong. But at the same time he couldn't really be sure that Lucci was worth Gear 2.
This whole thing goes to two points: that he doesn't have fights that last for days, and that people probably think it was weird the way he approached Kaido. It's rare that Luffy makes his FIRST move his hardest, like the time he told Aokiji to fight him. Not so he can do weak shit, but he's not so irrational that he doesn't pace himself at all. But he'll try really hard early on if he thinks it's necessary, as he showed against Big Mom, Cracker, all throughout the raid, etc.
If you add up every fight he's had, it probably doesn't equal five days even if he's way stronger than Ace or Jack qt this point. Like an actual fighter he has the stamina, but he'd much rather win sooner than later, unlike Queen or Kaido for example.
Luffy's proven to be reckless all throughout the series so I don't know why you need that explained.
But because you mentioned a contradiction with his early gear shifts: 2 and 3 are interchangeable. 3 has monster power but average speed, 2 has pretty good power and high speed. Using 2 against Lucci wasn't just holding back 3 because of the drawback, the opponent was super fast and so he used super speed. You have to realize 3 as a finisher applies to guys like Caesar and Chinjao for the most part, lol.
Anyway, here's me actually proving what I say
He'll go from 2 to 3 or 3 to 2 based on what he needs. Gear 2 doesn't mean he's holding back.
This whole thing goes to two points: that he doesn't have fights that last for days, and that people probably think it was weird the way he approached Kaido. It's rare that Luffy makes his FIRST move his hardest, like the time he told Aokiji to fight him. Not so he can do weak shit, but he's not so irrational that he doesn't pace himself at all. But he'll try really hard early on if he thinks it's necessary, as he showed against Big Mom, Cracker, all throughout the raid, etc.
If you add up every fight he's had, it probably doesn't equal five days even if he's way stronger than Ace or Jack qt this point. Like an actual fighter he has the stamina, but he'd much rather win sooner than later, unlike Queen or Kaido for example.
Luffy's proven to be reckless all throughout the series so I don't know why you need that explained.
Anyway, here's me actually proving what I say
He'll go from 2 to 3 or 3 to 2 based on what he needs. Gear 2 doesn't mean he's holding back.
Lucci had already overpowered Luffy before Enies Lobby so of course he was worth of G2. Base Luffy had easier time against Blueno which was already worth of G2.
What try hard you mean by Luffy? He didn't try hard against Cracker. He took someone until go G4. At Raid he is not trying hard also, he is overkilling stupid shit like Warship and Numbers but he didn't try hard against Apoo, Ulti and Yamato.
Luffy G3 first attack hit Lucci so it would be a good start since it nerfed him already for the rest of the fight. Even Lucci being fast his G3 is big enough and their battle started in a small place. If Luffy manage to fight without destroying the walls he would have hit more attacks against Lucci.
Still not sure what your point is.
The only variable with Arlong is how mad he got after seeing the maps. He broke Arlong's teeth as the fight went on, not because he just suddenly started trying harder. When you see a mouthpiece or even teeth knocked out in real life it's the same very basic idea. It's not like people avoid ending the fight early or causing damage early.
Luffy didn't know whether he needed Gear 2 or not in his rematch with CP9. Which is why he flat out explained the whole idea to Blueno who... couldn't even touch him when he started, verifying that it was overkill in his case. You say he didn't try hard against Cracker but he used Gear 4 in response to being overpowered, same as he implied he'd do against Ulti. Then he had to use Gear 4 the whole night to hit and run. Yamato? Yamato claimed to not even want to fight, which is why he explicitly held back as we were told.
The warship and Numbers prove exactly what I'm saying lmao. He crushed them as hard as possible knowing that his crew could also help if it was a big enough problem to make him run out of steam. Apoo? He didn't try because he never even attacked Apoo lol.
Which is my point and your problem. You throw out shit like Arlong to dance around the very simple point that although Luffy could fight for more than a day straight, obviously if fucking rookie Ace could, then he would if he thought it was necessary. But it's never necessary, he'd rather blow through his power in a temporary boost than stay fighting. The only real exception may be against Shanks, given their relationship.
Tldr; fighting for five days has nothing to do with Luffy. If you can prove otherwise then do so, but you don't make any sense by bringing up Arlong and shit so I'm bot wasting my time.
Luffy didn't know whether he needed Gear 2 or not in his rematch with CP9. Which is why he flat out explained the whole idea to Blueno who... couldn't even touch him when he started, verifying that it was overkill in his case. You say he didn't try hard against Cracker but he used Gear 4 in response to being overpowered, same as he implied he'd do against Ulti. Then he had to use Gear 4 the whole night to hit and run. Yamato? Yamato claimed to not even want to fight, which is why he explicitly held back as we were told.
The warship and Numbers prove exactly what I'm saying lmao. He crushed them as hard as possible knowing that his crew could also help if it was a big enough problem to make him run out of steam. Apoo? He didn't try because he never even attacked Apoo lol.
Which is my point and your problem. You throw out shit like Arlong to dance around the very simple point that although Luffy could fight for more than a day straight, obviously if fucking rookie Ace could, then he would if he thought it was necessary. But it's never necessary, he'd rather blow through his power in a temporary boost than stay fighting. The only real exception may be against Shanks, given their relationship.
Tldr; fighting for five days has nothing to do with Luffy. If you can prove otherwise then do so, but you don't make any sense by bringing up Arlong and shit so I'm bot wasting my time.
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You are delusional. Luffy stats himself that his first combo on Arlong was just warm up.
Luffy got no diffed by CP-9 and he only thought about his gear after fighting them. He thanks CP-9 for forcing him to progress. Before you say anything about Aokiji was only after fighting Aokiji Luffy realized he should become stronger but was only after CP9 he thought about his gears.
Luffy got no diffed by CP-9 and he only thought about his gear after fighting them. He thanks CP-9 for forcing him to progress. Before you say anything about Aokiji was only after fighting Aokiji Luffy realized he should become stronger but was only after CP9 he thought about his gears.