Versus Battle Juubito takes a One Piece Gauntlet
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You can say no all you want. It means nothing if you can't substantiate otherwise.
1. Juubidara was concern that EE direct hits would be a problem. <-- hyperlinks = orange
2. Direct hits had him flying across city blocks (granting at best)
A. Direct hits from just a KG, just by blocking (blocking deduces outputs) had Doffy flying city blocks [2]
B. A KKG did more then that KG. It completely caved in an entire city block[1] and created a deeper hole then EE.[2]
These 2 videos do a great job scaling the strengths and speed of OP as well:
Factors these in, upscale superioir characters of these versions of Luffy, and we got ourselves a problem for even Juubidara, who scales above Juubito.
1. Juubidara was concern that EE direct hits would be a problem. <-- hyperlinks = orange
2. Direct hits had him flying across city blocks (granting at best)
A. Direct hits from just a KG, just by blocking (blocking deduces outputs) had Doffy flying city blocks [2]
B. A KKG did more then that KG. It completely caved in an entire city block[1] and created a deeper hole then EE.[2]
These 2 videos do a great job scaling the strengths and speed of OP as well:
Factors these in, upscale superioir characters of these versions of Luffy, and we got ourselves a problem for even Juubidara, who scales above Juubito.
You may have a different scaling then I have so for me to properly give you an answer we'll have to be on the same page. What level scaling do you put Night Guy at?
You haven't addressed a single point made. At the very least give me information read/listen to. So proper scaling can be use to judge off by.
You haven't addressed a single point made. At the very least give me information read/listen to. So proper scaling can be use to judge off by.
you should read your first response here ^ but why is it so hard for you just to share the night guy level attacks....
theres no point in discussing with someone who clearly doesnt even understand the difference in world scaling alone. Youre talking about a small city small island to a battlefield that was continent level+...
when people bring up feats of G4 vs Joker they look at the very basic and conventional points, what effects did that actually have on an already weakened Joker? thats the sad part at best it put joker down for a few but he got up and was able to counter G4 for a while until Luffy had to use his strongest move atm.
when you look at both side by side you disregard the fact that its a direct hit of compressed air this is essentially both G4 plus Paw Paw fruit combined to emulate one Taijutsu attack, this is pure raw physical strength... G4 KG is a combination already of both DF and Haki one which depletes the users own stamina and endurance. Meanwhile G8 drains your entire life force we arent comparing those two but the effets and abilities are leagues apart G4 is only one part of G8 Taijustsu even then Guys speeds would blitz G4, Madrara was able to casually avoid G7 base moves and had difficulty with G8 the only thing OP has over Naruto realistically is speed even then that is debatable as the only thing that was able to speed blitz Kamui Obito as a teenager was Instant Transportation which no OP character has.... even with all that Steps in G8 are just one solid compressed aor Madara states it bombards you with multiple blows like an air cannon. The fact that KKG splitting the island was the best that it could do while Guy did the same thing with his first step that wasnt even a direct down ward blow goes to show your level of incompetence in powerscaliing
Naruto is a HAX world where even kids have superpowers with inante abilities, OP is a world of strong humans who need DF power ups and a strong will to compete..
theres no point in discussing with someone who clearly doesnt even understand the difference in world scaling alone. Youre talking about a small city small island to a battlefield that was continent level+...
when people bring up feats of G4 vs Joker they look at the very basic and conventional points, what effects did that actually have on an already weakened Joker? thats the sad part at best it put joker down for a few but he got up and was able to counter G4 for a while until Luffy had to use his strongest move atm.
when you look at both side by side you disregard the fact that its a direct hit of compressed air this is essentially both G4 plus Paw Paw fruit combined to emulate one Taijutsu attack, this is pure raw physical strength... G4 KG is a combination already of both DF and Haki one which depletes the users own stamina and endurance. Meanwhile G8 drains your entire life force we arent comparing those two but the effets and abilities are leagues apart G4 is only one part of G8 Taijustsu even then Guys speeds would blitz G4, Madrara was able to casually avoid G7 base moves and had difficulty with G8 the only thing OP has over Naruto realistically is speed even then that is debatable as the only thing that was able to speed blitz Kamui Obito as a teenager was Instant Transportation which no OP character has.... even with all that Steps in G8 are just one solid compressed aor Madara states it bombards you with multiple blows like an air cannon. The fact that KKG splitting the island was the best that it could do while Guy did the same thing with his first step that wasnt even a direct down ward blow goes to show your level of incompetence in powerscaliing
Naruto is a HAX world where even kids have superpowers with inante abilities, OP is a world of strong humans who need DF power ups and a strong will to compete..
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They aren't able to swim on water. But only sea water is what weakens them. That's a misconception about DF users. With that said: with the DF users in this vs thread, which one will have a problem with Juubito's water release and why?
First off I already gave my position, so I don't understand why people can't just follow along the thread with what's already been addressed. I instead approached it with a different angle so we (the person I was talking to) can reach common ground on proper scaling. Instead of it getting convoluted in subjective matters that'll only drag the conversation.
Short answer: If KG is already doing EE feats but better then the same line of reason follows with their next level of attack via KKG to Night Guy.
This is selective reading, so your judgment is already at poor levels to make this a fruitful conversation. I have a benefit of doubt that it's not in bad faith but clear signs of bias behavior. So I'm willing to look past this and continue the conversation of us simply substantiating our points.
@Bold is nothing more then an assertion. At no point did I begin to address world scaling yet as no conversation even has lead to that point to factor that in. But I did use reference videos that already address this when the video broke down the speeds and strengths of OP characters.
And clearly the OPverse already outshines Narutoverse when it comes to it's world scaling. Where natural environments and lands are way bigger scaling, harsher and more durable then we see in the Narutoverse. So it doesn't make your point it hurts it once actually factored in this conversation.
It was very basic because the conversation is just comparing attacks for arguments sake, to give it its proper scaling output. How another character response to said attack is not relevant. That's simply a great feat for Joker. It has nothing to do with if said attack is weak or strong.
So in the same breath, if you need me to go off the rail mentioning this point: The fact that Doffy can take G4 blows (considering it's feats) already shows us that he is able to take 8 gate Guy blows as well bar Night Guy.
So you're only making my points better in pointing out character scaling compare to OP and Naruto.
So again my anchor with OP speed and strength comes from the break down videos I post. That's how I am measuring OP characters.
I didn't disregard it I just think it's an incorrect comparison because the paw fruit strikes Kuma produces comes at light speed strikes as it's based to create these pressurized air. While we have NO BASIS that states how fast are Guy's strikes are. All we know is that Guys strikes are ambiguously fast and can go ambiguously "faster" each step. One has a direct statement we can compare it to while another is ambiguous.
Simply put I have no reason to grant Guy's attack to produce at the speed of Kuma's shockwaves.
That proves nothing. Just because Gates has much more drawbacks then G4 transformation is not evidence that it produces more power because of it.
1. When did Naruto speed blitz teleportation??
2. You're making more assertions. And secondly, the video I post broke down OP speed department. I understand it's a lot of information being brought down in the video but it's necessary to properly address the anchor of my arguments in where I am getting my understanding of it's scaling from.
This is hypocritical of you. You said " clearly doesnt even understand the difference in world scaling" calling me out and in the same breath have shown poor measuring tool for yourself in factoring OP world shows the double standards.
In what way did you even come to the conclusion that EE is island busting strike yet alone Night Guy lol?
The hypocrisy is showing again
First off I already gave my position, so I don't understand why people can't just follow along the thread with what's already been addressed. I instead approached it with a different angle so we (the person I was talking to) can reach common ground on proper scaling. Instead of it getting convoluted in subjective matters that'll only drag the conversation.
Short answer: If KG is already doing EE feats but better then the same line of reason follows with their next level of attack via KKG to Night Guy.
This is selective reading, so your judgment is already at poor levels to make this a fruitful conversation. I have a benefit of doubt that it's not in bad faith but clear signs of bias behavior. So I'm willing to look past this and continue the conversation of us simply substantiating our points.
@Bold is nothing more then an assertion. At no point did I begin to address world scaling yet as no conversation even has lead to that point to factor that in. But I did use reference videos that already address this when the video broke down the speeds and strengths of OP characters.
And clearly the OPverse already outshines Narutoverse when it comes to it's world scaling. Where natural environments and lands are way bigger scaling, harsher and more durable then we see in the Narutoverse. So it doesn't make your point it hurts it once actually factored in this conversation.
It was very basic because the conversation is just comparing attacks for arguments sake, to give it its proper scaling output. How another character response to said attack is not relevant. That's simply a great feat for Joker. It has nothing to do with if said attack is weak or strong.
So in the same breath, if you need me to go off the rail mentioning this point: The fact that Doffy can take G4 blows (considering it's feats) already shows us that he is able to take 8 gate Guy blows as well bar Night Guy.
So you're only making my points better in pointing out character scaling compare to OP and Naruto.
So again my anchor with OP speed and strength comes from the break down videos I post. That's how I am measuring OP characters.
I didn't disregard it I just think it's an incorrect comparison because the paw fruit strikes Kuma produces comes at light speed strikes as it's based to create these pressurized air. While we have NO BASIS that states how fast are Guy's strikes are. All we know is that Guys strikes are ambiguously fast and can go ambiguously "faster" each step. One has a direct statement we can compare it to while another is ambiguous.
Simply put I have no reason to grant Guy's attack to produce at the speed of Kuma's shockwaves.
That proves nothing. Just because Gates has much more drawbacks then G4 transformation is not evidence that it produces more power because of it.
1. When did Naruto speed blitz teleportation??
2. You're making more assertions. And secondly, the video I post broke down OP speed department. I understand it's a lot of information being brought down in the video but it's necessary to properly address the anchor of my arguments in where I am getting my understanding of it's scaling from.
This is hypocritical of you. You said " clearly doesnt even understand the difference in world scaling" calling me out and in the same breath have shown poor measuring tool for yourself in factoring OP world shows the double standards.
In what way did you even come to the conclusion that EE is island busting strike yet alone Night Guy lol?
The hypocrisy is showing again
