Versus Battle Juubito takes a One Piece Gauntlet
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Dunno why people downplay Madara with Guy's feats. Juubito was easily reacting to Minato and tagging him. 8 gates Guy was a beast and Madara despite having a part of his body blown off simply regenerated. Juubito has the Truth Seeking Orbs, which were described as disintegrating everything on a molecular level similar to Oonoki's Jinton, while having the advantage of taking on any form, only weakness being Senjutsu. That's why Kakashi had to rip a hole into the shield created by Madara with Kamui for Guy to pass through, or otherwise it would have disintegrated him with physical contact, which means its effect goes beyond Ninjutsu.
In the Manga, Juubito was seen instantly putting out a barrier superior to the ones created by 4 Hokage, then instantly firing off 4 large Juubidamas while shielding himself with the Truth Seeking Balls, with the Barrier being strong enough to withstand the explosion.
Juubito would wreck any One Piece character.
This is what a small Juubidama looks like for anyone who has forgotten, being so large you can see the curvature of the earth, towering a hundred times over mountains, and Juubito can instantly utilize the power of multiple larger ones while having a perfect defense (360 degrees truth seeking balls shielding), which simultaneously acts as the perfect offense (disintegrating everything on a molecular level).
How does anyone think a One Piece character stands a chance.
In the Manga, Juubito was seen instantly putting out a barrier superior to the ones created by 4 Hokage, then instantly firing off 4 large Juubidamas while shielding himself with the Truth Seeking Balls, with the Barrier being strong enough to withstand the explosion.
Juubito would wreck any One Piece character.
This is what a small Juubidama looks like for anyone who has forgotten, being so large you can see the curvature of the earth, towering a hundred times over mountains, and Juubito can instantly utilize the power of multiple larger ones while having a perfect defense (360 degrees truth seeking balls shielding), which simultaneously acts as the perfect offense (disintegrating everything on a molecular level).
How does anyone think a One Piece character stands a chance.
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I'm the only one that pointed out the comparison. But there was no downplay here. I simply made the point on how OP characters can replicate the feat. So we have good reasons to believe OP attacks are doing heavy to serious damage to Juubito, much like how Guy was able to do to Juubidara.
It's hard to gauge Narutoverse speed. But from the jist of it:
A. Lightning strikes was stated to be nearly unavoidable in Narutoverse.
B. Ay uses lightning style to boost his stimulates his nervous system, enhancing his speed and their reaction time. No manga statements to how much, so we can at best grant it to lightning speed levels.
C. KCM Naruto and Minato were stated to move faster.
So we are looking at the verse capable of moving faster then lightning ON FOOT.
While for OP characters:
So at the very least in the speed department : the same struggle it was to keep up with Guy for Madara should be the same issue against these OP characters (at least for Shanks, Kaido, Mihawk, and Luffy). While Linlin's flight speed should keep up with Juubito just fine. While BB can take advantage with his 2 busted DF for this match.
It was also said he nearly died and these OP characters can naturally dish out these level of damage.
This part of the conversation is where it gets difficult to measure. We wouldn't be able to prove or disprove each other here. But I personally think that CoA should be fine in replicating what Base Rikudou Naruto did to these orbs via swapping away. Simple because haki ability has properties to interact with functions that goes beyond the spectrum of reality. As in capable of physically touching and interacting with natural phenomenon. I believe these are good reasons to say they can guard themselves from getting disintegrated.
These explosive damage output tend to get exaggerated but I do agree any normal body bar Kaido and Linlin should be able to survive these explosion. They would at best knock them out.
They have zero chances against Logia though lmao.
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/gen-discussion-1/continental-juubidama-debunked-2253512/
The link above debunks the exaggerated claims output of the attack for Juubi. Granted that these explosions are still taking out human characters of OP. I have simply pointed out that the damage output of certain OP characters and their speed is just as life threating for Obito. Then you can factor in hax in other aspects
I can't defend every single character but I know at the very least why the first round via Linlin would be a huge problem for Obito.
It's hard to gauge Narutoverse speed. But from the jist of it:
A. Lightning strikes was stated to be nearly unavoidable in Narutoverse.
B. Ay uses lightning style to boost his stimulates his nervous system, enhancing his speed and their reaction time. No manga statements to how much, so we can at best grant it to lightning speed levels.
C. KCM Naruto and Minato were stated to move faster.
So we are looking at the verse capable of moving faster then lightning ON FOOT.
While for OP characters:
So at the very least in the speed department : the same struggle it was to keep up with Guy for Madara should be the same issue against these OP characters (at least for Shanks, Kaido, Mihawk, and Luffy). While Linlin's flight speed should keep up with Juubito just fine. While BB can take advantage with his 2 busted DF for this match.
It was also said he nearly died and these OP characters can naturally dish out these level of damage.
This part of the conversation is where it gets difficult to measure. We wouldn't be able to prove or disprove each other here. But I personally think that CoA should be fine in replicating what Base Rikudou Naruto did to these orbs via swapping away. Simple because haki ability has properties to interact with functions that goes beyond the spectrum of reality. As in capable of physically touching and interacting with natural phenomenon. I believe these are good reasons to say they can guard themselves from getting disintegrated.
These explosive damage output tend to get exaggerated but I do agree any normal body bar Kaido and Linlin should be able to survive these explosion. They would at best knock them out.
Juubito would wreck any One Piece character.
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/gen-discussion-1/continental-juubidama-debunked-2253512/
The link above debunks the exaggerated claims output of the attack for Juubi. Granted that these explosions are still taking out human characters of OP. I have simply pointed out that the damage output of certain OP characters and their speed is just as life threating for Obito. Then you can factor in hax in other aspects
I can't defend every single character but I know at the very least why the first round via Linlin would be a huge problem for Obito.
I swear you just skip over main points made and picked up and refute points thats not part of the main argument. This is what I mean with the selective reading.
1. I'm aware of Madara statements. I am aware of how EE works.
2. What you missed is that the direct fist damage output is more dangerous then the air canon the strikes releases, according to Madara.
3. You said that EE is both KG and Paw-Paw.
4. For you to steal the feat of Paw-Paw is to substantiate how he is able to strike at light speed like Kuma can.
5. It's important to know how fast someone is striking because more speed means more power behind said strike. Since Kuma can strike at light speed we know that attack as a basis on how much damage output he can generate. Speed=Power.
6. If you can't substantiate it for Guy's strike speed then you can't equate EE being KG+Paw.
And again, just because EE can generate air-cannons doesn't automatically means that physical attacks generate superior output then KG. Because again, the main damage output, according to Madara, from the attack is the direct hit fist anyway. Something KG has replicated without being able to create aircanon.
You're coping. Wind up part is obviously not the part being measured its the actual attack. Therefore
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I did, you made that up.
That's not how logic works. Logic is objective. It doesn't matter if I said it or someone said it for me, it doesn't make it any less true LMAO???
My brother are you good?
Because your selective reading doesn't want to read where I said time and time again that the characters listed in this thread via Yonkos are upscaled superior to DR Luffy.
I'm starting to think it's not selective reading or blind bias but an actual issue you may have.
1. I'm aware of Madara statements. I am aware of how EE works.
2. What you missed is that the direct fist damage output is more dangerous then the air canon the strikes releases, according to Madara.
3. You said that EE is both KG and Paw-Paw.
4. For you to steal the feat of Paw-Paw is to substantiate how he is able to strike at light speed like Kuma can.
5. It's important to know how fast someone is striking because more speed means more power behind said strike. Since Kuma can strike at light speed we know that attack as a basis on how much damage output he can generate. Speed=Power.
6. If you can't substantiate it for Guy's strike speed then you can't equate EE being KG+Paw.
And again, just because EE can generate air-cannons doesn't automatically means that physical attacks generate superior output then KG. Because again, the main damage output, according to Madara, from the attack is the direct hit fist anyway. Something KG has replicated without being able to create aircanon.
You're coping. Wind up part is obviously not the part being measured its the actual attack. Therefore
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I did, you made that up.
That's not how logic works. Logic is objective. It doesn't matter if I said it or someone said it for me, it doesn't make it any less true LMAO???
My brother are you good?
Because your selective reading doesn't want to read where I said time and time again that the characters listed in this thread via Yonkos are upscaled superior to DR Luffy.
I'm starting to think it's not selective reading or blind bias but an actual issue you may have.
I think One Piece speed is a bit inconsistent. Lightspeed would be able to travel around the globe 7 times within a second. Yet, for example, when Kizaru fired his Yasakani no Magatama from mid range against Whitebeard, Whitebeard was able to comment on it, saying how bright it is, which would be physically impossible, unless Whitebeard speaks like 10 times the speed of light. We had Zoro dodge a light beam from close range pre TS, we had Sentomaru simply outrun Yasakani no Magatama, etc. Even Law's submarine avoided a barrage of lightbeams swimming around them, and I doubt a submarine travels faster than lightspeed under water.
So Oda doesn't really seem to be consistent with speed. In Naruto on the other hand, Kishimoto paid attention to making it realistic, with A being seen to outspeed an Amaterasu that in slowmo spawned instantly before him, not even travelling in the first place.
So I think it's less that random OP characters run around at lightspeed, but that Oda doesn't take it serious.
So Oda doesn't really seem to be consistent with speed. In Naruto on the other hand, Kishimoto paid attention to making it realistic, with A being seen to outspeed an Amaterasu that in slowmo spawned instantly before him, not even travelling in the first place.
So I think it's less that random OP characters run around at lightspeed, but that Oda doesn't take it serious.
Physically impossible like being able to move faster than the speed of sound even which Naruto characters have done since Part 1, why are you even talking about "physically impossible" in a fictional setting? Almost everything a Naruto character does is physically impossible in the real world, same for One Piece characters.
I pointed out how Whitebeard could have an inner monologue while Kizaru fired light particles from mid range, which goes to show that lightspeed isn't supposed to be realistic or literal, as that light would've circled around the globe 7 times before Whitebeard would've ended his speech.
So my point just is, Oda isn't really consistent with it, hence submarines under water can turn circles around lightbeams and dodge them.
So my point just is, Oda isn't really consistent with it, hence submarines under water can turn circles around lightbeams and dodge them.
