Speculations Kaido being the strongest , is just what people say it is not a fact.

#61
in Artur's site , it said : Whitebeard attained the title of "strongest in the world" well before the great age of pirates, as he had immense power and an ability that could destroy the world

so it wasn't all because he had Gura Gura , but because his abilities outside it as well ( i think the bolded is referring to it , while "an ability that could destroy the world" is obviously referring to Gura

but anyway i don't remember when Oda put something like "it is said that" , "this pirate is said to be" , "known as" , "people say" next to WB's title , same with Mihawk's title

i do believe Kaido is stronger than 10 other top tiers but by tiny margin , except maybe Big Mom because i have a doubt about Prometheus' feeble attacks being able to harm Kaido ( especially Hybrid )

i believe it because , other things than WSC , like Kaido's bounty being the 3rd highest behind Roger and WB , and he was the only among Emperors to became an Emperor through sheer strength , and Teach calling him a monster while not doing the same to Big Mom/Fujitora/Ryokugyu ( who Teach also mentioned ) led me to believe Kaido is indeed the current strongest

however , latest chapter showed to me that , he is still a mid top tier , and not Roger's/WB's lvl , or between mid top tiers and Roger/WB

fellow mid top tiers like Akainu and Mihawk can push him to near limit Extreme Diff imo
( Awakened Akainu ~ full power Mihawk ~ Hybrid Kaido )
VC said people called him that because of the way he mowed his opponents with his superior destructive capabilities.
Not to forget, Roger was the pinnacle of said era, yet WB was still called the strongest, yet WB´s hype that Oda created was always "the only man who could keep up with Roger".
Sure, there is a discrepancy between "people say" and Oda introducing a title, but just pointing out that titles are not as straightforward as people make it out to be.

So there are several possibilities with why Kaidou is called that (physical strength, his supposed invincibility that even his subordinates believed in and so forth), how it relates to World´s Strongest Man and so forth.
 
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ardym

#62
Luffy is gonna have the reputation of defeating the WSC after this arc. that is for sure either he gets help or not .
 
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ardym

#64
He can help the Grandmaster achieving the feat. His help will prove very useful. :feelsokeman:
Luffy will be the one who defeats Kaido , Zoro will defeat King , Orochi will be an extra for Zoro . he will have enough to do . just wondering who is gonna fight Law
 
#65
Kaido wasn't in his most "Vulnerable" form like many assumes. I mean dude was in his Full Zoan Dragon form with Dragon Scale to protect himself. And WTF is it was not his hybrid..?? Even in Hybrid- his skin will still be as "Vulnerable" as in Zoan form, if not more. He has most explosive power in his Zoan, more mobility in his Human Form and Hybrid Form allows him to utilize the full potential of his Zoan form while also maintaining his mobility as Human form.
In Summary; Kaido isn't as unbeatable as he was assumed by many. He was even introduced as the guy who took 7 Ls and was taken a prisoner in multiple occasion.
He was in slow ass Dragon form. Why are people trying to pretend we haven't seen how Zoans work? The calamities and Kaido has yet to go all out and Pda refusesvto do so until final war. We have seen the est Combat form is hybrid. We seen drum ispand and ennies lobby. Stop talking out your ass.
 
#66
He was in slow ass Dragon form. Why are people trying to pretend we haven't seen how Zoans work? The calamities and Kaido has yet to go all out and Pda refusesvto do so until final war. We have seen the est Combat form is hybrid. We seen drum ispand and ennies lobby. Stop talking out your ass.
Slow ass or not Dragon form gives him his best defensive form as he literally is covered in Dragon Skin. :kata:

For combat, I already mentioned hybrid gives him the best advantage so....:luuh:
Lastly, before shit posting please take a look at your post. I almost got cancer trying to read them. :wellwell:
 
#71
I have no idea how useful can Jack's full mamoth form be. It's slow, it's large, so may as well paint "Hit me please" on his body. It even lacks the offensive power, seeing as Inuarashi stopped his trunk swipe with barehand. Every fight we see with the Beast Pirates so far, aside from King, has been "Geting wrecked in full-zoan from, reverting back to normal form or hybrid form, and began fighting back. :kaidowhat:
 
#72
It's good when fighting against armies of fodder, cause they can't damage him. But in fights against yc1+ it's useless cause any top tier can damage him.
How is it the best form, when he goes hybrod he will be covered in it too.
I totally agree with both of your points. But, it’s Kaido we’re talking about here. Judging by the expressions of his underlings and his record, he is supposed to be uncuttable no matter the form he is in. We all saw how he tanked G4 punches like it was nothing and I’m sure he had fought and defeated fair amount of Swordsman prior his meeting with Oden.
 
#73
I totally agree with both of your points. But, it’s Kaido we’re talking about here. Judging by the expressions of his underlings and his record, he is supposed to be uncuttable no matter the form he is in. We all saw how he tanked G4 punches like it was nothing and I’m sure he had fought and defeated fair amount of Swordsman prior his meeting with Oden.
Kaido got defeated 7 times. Those fodder aren't the most reliable of people in terms of assessing power lvls.

Meme Pirates were dumbfounded by Kuri's defeat for he was perfect beyind belief.
 
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ardym

#75
someone made a really nice post in another thread regarding Kaido so i will quote it here
From what's established about WB, him letting Kaido waltz onto his ship would have to result in Kaido's death. Therefore, logically playing out that situation, from what we know of Whitebeard and how he treats those close to him, going to such lengths as to battle the entire Navy in order to rescue one of his own, it would defy the established behaviour if WB just let Kaido go after beating him. Having excluded Linlin from the Yonko Kaido challenged, this would logically also exclude WB as well.

Now let me talk more about Kaido. Firstly, let me address something that's bothering me. And that's Kaido's supposed title. Nowhere in the canon material has Kaido been referred to as the actual WSC, there are always nuances being made to sway away from it.
Notice in the above panels how it's hearsay and a rumor, the same type of rumor like Luffy being a 25-foot-tall monster

Moreover, there are clues laid out that Kaido in fact might not be even human, and thus his supposed title should have no bearing on humans.

In addition, Kaido, in canon material, has only been referred to as the 'King of Beast', on multiple instances, whilst never referred to as the WSC

And no, that sbs did not confirm anything. Firstly, this is the official translation, not the OP wiki one. Even though they are similar, there are small nuances that make it different, such as 'even Kaido' not appearing. Moreover, Oda says world's strongest creature, not living being. In addition, he leaves no doubts to a mother actually being the WSC. He highlights it by saying she is stronger than Kaido, the supposed WSC, and she is thus the actual WSC. There's no room to debate about anything concerning the mother, as opposed to Kaido.

If someone wants to bring up that panel, I'll just stop them preemptively and inform them that it was a comment made by an editor and does not appear in the Viz.

Now, I'll present a direct comparison with both Mihawk and Whitebeard. I won't elaborate here, because I've written everything in the panels themselves.
Oda, on his own accord went out of his way to make a distinction.


Now let's talk more about betting on him in a 1 vs 1. Logically, as illustrated above, we have excluded two Yonko from that equation. All of the marine Admirals are fine, and there's no indication that neither of the three was defeated. I wouldn't be surprised if the rumour about Kaido started when he defeated Oden, without people knowing he used a cheap shot and underhanded tactics, as Oden was hailed as very strong, even had a bounty, and him taking over Wano, hailed as one of the strongest nations in the world, so much that the current FA of the Navy was more worried about the forces in Wano, rather than two of the Yonko when Kizaru offered himself to go there.
Kizaru was only stopped by Akainu due to the unknown military force in Wano. I stress again Wano, meaning Kizaru was gonna go to Wano, not somewhere along the way but Wano.
The rumour was made more believable when the people saw Kaido beating people like the SN, and adding them to their crew. The first time we see him engage a top tier it ends in a stalemate. Now, don't take me wrong, I am not saying Kaido isn't a top tier, he obviously is, but the more we see him, the more we look into the manga carefully, the more his hype suffers. Something is rotten in the state of Denmark.
 
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ardym

#77
we don't know yet how will Kaido and BM go down exactly but after this arc , we will have only BB and Shanks as yonkos left. Luffy might get called a yonko or not it will not matter , since soon he will be the PK .
 

Finalbeta

Zoro Worshipper
#78
All I know is the yonkoutard got recked so hard on wano and WCI haha!
It was fun to see Yonkou lvl > admiral lvl haha!!
Yep I honestly never believed for a second WSC referred to creatures as living beings. Creature is a broad term in Shounen manga or manga in general.
 
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ardym

#79
when it comes to DF powers BB has the most hax two among the yonkos , but he might be a poor haki user so that is why he makes hunts after strong DFs , i can see Shiryu has decent haki that is why he decided to take the clear clear fruit . which makes him invisible instead having another fruit that makes him durable , then against observation haki users it will not make much of a difference if he is visible or not. but the DF can be used for spying and sneak attacks on people who are not that proficient in observation haki.
 
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Jo_Ndule

#80
Yonko Teach hasn't called any Emperor nor Admiral "monster "
he only called BM "crazy" while called Kaido a Monster.

20 years ago feats wont discredit what Teach BM Brannew or Sengoku has said about Kaido in present times.

All these threads wouldnt erase current facts hype and feats lol
 
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