Character Discussion Kaido D. Poorly Written - Is It Possible To Enjoy Kaido After Your 13th Birthday?

#23
I'll play your game.

“Akainu is cool because the looks cool” yes yes, the design of Akainu was created to appeal to people who know nothing about character designs and thus surely to appeal to the uninitiated.
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“Akainu is cool because he is strong” Akainu is quite strong. Strength does not make for a good character though.
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“Akainu is cool because he is a admiral” well there have been 4 other Admirals in One Piece, this isn’t exactly unique to Akainu.
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“Akainu is cool because he have cool fruit” ah yes, the Magu Magu no mi fruit is cool. I’ll give you that :suresure:

In all honesty I do like Akainu and am looking quite forward to seeing him in the story later on.
Sometimes I wonder if Admiral fans even like One Piece.

Not a wonder they and Zoro fans are allies because they more or less are either Bleach refugees who want One Piece to be like Bleach, or Seinen fans who want One Piece to become way too self serious and lose it's charm

The Marines are the only characters in the series that Oda ever made "gagless" with relatively realistic designs for a Reason, because it's meant to represent the fact rhat they are "lawful" and strict.

While the Pirates are meant to be chaotic and Punk-ish. Hence weird designs and quirks


People who expected The yonko to be like the Admirals don't understand what Oda was going for
 

Jaguark101

"Freedom is the right of all sentient beings"
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#26
Much of this doesn’t actually apply to Akainu lol.

I already went in depth in this thread, but Akainu’s character design and Devil Fruit do actually contribute to his character and his philosophies on Justice.

Kaido’s character design and Devil Fruit are just nothing, they tells us nothing about his world views and overall character, mainly because Kaido doesn’t have consistent world views or a consistent character and contradicts himself every other panel lol.

This is the difference between pro Admiral and pro Yonko trolling. Pro Admiral trolling actually makes real points, pro Yonko trolling is equivalent to gut-instinct “I know you are but what am I?” Reactions lol.
Pretty good analysis of Akainu's design :cheers:
 
#27
Sometimes I wonder if Admiral fans even like One Piece.

Not a wonder they and Zoro fans are allies because they more or less are either Bleach refugees who want One Piece to be like Bleach, or Seinen fans who want One Piece to become way too self serious and lose it's charm

The Marines are the only characters in the series that Oda ever made "gagless" with relatively realistic designs for a Reason, because it's meant to represent the fact rhat they are "lawful" and strict.

While the Pirates are meant to be chaotic and Punk-ish. Hence weird designs and quirks


People who expected The yonko to be like the Admirals don't understand what Oda was going for
Oi Oi I'm a Zoro Fan and I love One Piece and I love that Oda draws even badasses with emotions and uses them for gags. :few:
 
#30
Correct me if I'm wrong Crydo was supposed to want to die and have a massive global war?
What happened that now he want to go for the one piece and create an island that is the dream of pirates?
Or what happened that he was quite worried that Big meme and his sons would invade wano and start an all-out war?
Or why did he evade Zoro's attack?

And as for Crydo's design, I have never found it great and it is not because of being hater or because of going against the LoLkofans, maybe if I see the hybrid form I will change my mind who knows and I have not seen him make an attack that makes me say WOW, Big meme attacks are cooler
 
#31
"I don't like Kaido so you shouldn't either"

1. This is a shonen, an antagonist being super strong is a perfectly good reason to enjoy watching them. He is an obstacle to be overcome, the objective the protagonists have been working torwards for almost a decade now, and who is living up to the hype in terms of power. People love Lucci who by all means is just a badass assasin dude who we never got to find out the reason for his personal philosophy, and who gave Luffy what's probably his best fight, but hasn't really been developed further yet.

2. The arc is still not over, we have no idea about Kaido's past or motivations as we've only seen him after he allied with Orochi to take over Wano. If the arc ends with him defeated or dead and this never gets explored then yeah i'm gonna be just as unsatisfied with his character as you are, but until then, what's the point of making these baby tantrum-ass threads that basically just boil down to "KAIDO IS A BAD CHARACTER, I'M RIGHT STOP DISAGREEING WITH ME"?
 
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Ballel

#34
Kaido is cool because he have big Muscles
Kaido is cool because he look cool
Kaido is cool because he strong”
Kaido is cool because he Yonko”
Kaido is cool because he have cool fruit
All the things you mentioned are the reasons why people like Kaido. The explanations you used to debunk these reasons are all your personal opinions.

And you just called Katakuri a deep character.:kuzanope:
And what exactly is a 'character design that has meaning'??
 

Elder Lee Hung

Conqueror of the Stars
#35
And you just called Katakuri a deep character.:kuzanope:
And what exactly is a 'character design that has meaning'??
I did not call Katakuri a deep character, although he is, I said his character design contributed to his character and themes, because it does:

This is why Oda chooses now to have Katakuri remove his scarf. He is both literally and metaphorically shedding the facade and embracing his actual identity. And what do we find underneath his Scarf?


On the back of his jacket, the name "Charlotte." The symbolic meaning behind the word "Charlotte" on Katakuri's back should be pretty obvious, but what's a bit more subtle is about how Katakuri carries his family name underneath his scarf, which is meant to hide himself from the world. Yeah, we literally cannot see the word Charlotte on his back until after he takes his scarf off. On a deeper level, this is a visual representation of how the underlying motivation for Katakuri's Facade (the scarf), and thus how seriously he values the well-being of his family, is the conviction that he has for keeping his family safe. Hence, the family name being literally hidden under his scarf. This is what a brilliant character design looks like
While Kaido’s design means nothing and tells us nothing about his character or motivations, mainly because Kaido neither has a consistent character nor consistent motivations. He is an inconsistent mess of a character that no character design could’ve redeemed lol.

For more on what it means to have a good character design, see here and here
 
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Ballel

#36
I did not call Katakuri a deep character, although he is, I said his character design contributed to his character and themes, because it does:



While Kaido’s design means nothing and tells us nothing about his character or motivations, mainly because Kaido neither has a consistent character nor consistent motivations. He is an inconsistent mess of a character that no character design could’ve redeemed lol.

For more on what it means to have a good character design, see here and here
Oh so you were talking about the scarf business.
I get it now.
I agree tho that Big Mom is a much better written character.
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Why was @Gargo 's post deleted?
 
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#38
He is a villain very Dragon Ball-style,thats sure. And lets remember that Oda said that in writing One Piece he thinks to what he would have liked to read when he was 13 years old..and at that time,he loved Dragon Ball! By the way Kaido has his fandom so i guess Oda is doing a good enough job with him. But i dont like him very much,and like many other people i think Orochi suprisely came out like a way more complex and well-written villain! But yes,his flashback could change everything,altough i think it will come too late in the arc at this point. It would have been better to see his flashback before the start of the fight with Luffy.
 
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