Controversial Kaido & the Readers' CoC Curse Club..
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Swords dont have special powers, they are tools which the masters use to do a job. KoH, Ashura and shit are Zoros abilities. Is Firefox style an ability of Kinemons swords or his own ability to cut fire? If it was due to swords then Zoro should never have been able to learn it too without getting Kinemons swords.
Shanks channeled his haki through his sword, he does not require his sword for CoC.
You know you are contradicting yourself here, everything by the blade but not if it has ACoC? Give me example of touch ACoC.
And just so you know, there are a lot of abilities that are considered swordsmanship which do not fall under your definition of swordsmanship for example Kaku using his legs as swords and calling his style Yontoryu.
Shanks channeled his haki through his sword, he does not require his sword for CoC.
You know you are contradicting yourself here, everything by the blade but not if it has ACoC? Give me example of touch ACoC.
And just so you know, there are a lot of abilities that are considered swordsmanship which do not fall under your definition of swordsmanship for example Kaku using his legs as swords and calling his style Yontoryu.
Lets say for now that Swords don't have special powers.. Zoro only learn the ability to cut fire, he didn't learn to produce fire on his blades.. Because that's unique to Kinemon's blades..
Wait you're saying Shanks did channeled his Haki through his Sword?.. But he doesn't need his Sword for what he did in Wano?..
Bruh.. Not the fake Kaku Swordsman again.. Tell me why Kaku never created a flying slash from his Swords and only Rankyakus from his legs?..
Wait you're saying Shanks did channeled his Haki through his Sword?.. But he doesn't need his Sword for what he did in Wano?..
Bruh.. Not the fake Kaku Swordsman again.. Tell me why Kaku never created a flying slash from his Swords and only Rankyakus from his legs?..
That is headcanon, fire cutting is called Kinemons technique, Zoro says he stole it (copied it). There is zero evidence of Kinemons swords having ability to create fire on their own.
Yes, whats wrong? If he didn't channel it through the sword then there was no point in grabbing it or taking it out of the sheathe. Shanks has the CoC power to the same. Damn, why do I have to explain basic stuff, the whole point of grabbing the sword is to give the other side a warning that you are ready to fight. It also shits on retards who think Shanks is not a swordsman because every fighters go to instinct in a fight is to go for the fighting pose and Shanks goes straight for his sword when he wants to threaten or challenge someone.
Kaku is a swordsman, go cry to Oda that he doesnt adhere to your defintion of swordsmanship in his manga. When we talk of swordsmanship we talk of how it is being depicted in the OP manga series. Cabaji is another swordsman you should check out.
Yes, whats wrong? If he didn't channel it through the sword then there was no point in grabbing it or taking it out of the sheathe. Shanks has the CoC power to the same. Damn, why do I have to explain basic stuff, the whole point of grabbing the sword is to give the other side a warning that you are ready to fight. It also shits on retards who think Shanks is not a swordsman because every fighters go to instinct in a fight is to go for the fighting pose and Shanks goes straight for his sword when he wants to threaten or challenge someone.
Kaku is a swordsman, go cry to Oda that he doesnt adhere to your defintion of swordsmanship in his manga. When we talk of swordsmanship we talk of how it is being depicted in the OP manga series. Cabaji is another swordsman you should check out.
On Panel Shanks never unsheathed his Blade in chapter 1055.. So is it like Fujitora channeling his Gravity power through his Blade or not?.. Can Fujitora use his devil fruit powers without his Blade?..
Kaku is a joke, he's a Swordsman in name only, what was the point of his 2 Blade if he only did flying slashes with his legs.. Completely ridiculous..
Well in terms of logic gates, 1+1 would equal 1..
On Panel Shanks never unsheathed his Blade in chapter 1055.. So is it like Fujitora channeling his Gravity power through his Blade or not?.. Can Fujitora use his devil fruit powers without his Blade?..
Kaku is a joke, he's a Swordsman in name only, what was the point of his 2 Blade if he only did flying slashes with his legs.. Completely ridiculous..
Well in terms of logic gates, 1+1 would equal 1..
Yes Shanks never unsheathed his sword but he was grabbing the handle/hilt in the silhouette. Fujitora should be able to use his powers without his blade too if Fujitora is the one who has eaten the DF, if the DF has been fed to his sword (idk how that would happen) then yes Fuji would need the sword to use the gravity powers.
This is the whole problem here, people have different abilities that they channel through swords and these abilities belong to the user while the tool they channel through those powers with are swords. Shanks is a swordsman who channels his haki through his sword, Fujitora is a swordsman who channels his powers (haki/DF) through his sword, Law is a swordsman who channels his (haki/DF) through his sword. Zoro is a swordsman who channels his powers/haki (KoH, Asura) through his swords. Kinemon is a swordsman who channels his powers/haki (fire cutting, fire creating) through his swords. Kiku is a swordsman who channels his powers/haki (whatever snow or soul splitting) through his swords.
Kaku is/was a Yontoryu swordsman, your crying and denying does not change this fact.
With fire emblem on his Scabbards.. Eh, if that's not on panel proof that Kinemon can create flames with his blades i don't know what is..
In Shanks case, that didn't seem like CoC Coating though only pure CoC Lightning.. If he didn't need his sword to do that then it's useless but if he did then that Supreme Sword got a power too..
Or was it CoA Black Lightning after all..
Yeah but Fujitora's blade is just a magic wand basically.. I don't think Law can cut inside his room without a type of Blade in his hands..
Well a Yontoryu swordsman who send flying slashes from his legs only and not from his Sword is a freaking failure.. He literally could send mini rankyaku's from his girafe hand paws.. Like come on..
In Shanks case, that didn't seem like CoC Coating though only pure CoC Lightning.. If he didn't need his sword to do that then it's useless but if he did then that Supreme Sword got a power too..
Or was it CoA Black Lightning after all..
Yeah but Fujitora's blade is just a magic wand basically.. I don't think Law can cut inside his room without a type of Blade in his hands..
Well a Yontoryu swordsman who send flying slashes from his legs only and not from his Sword is a freaking failure.. He literally could send mini rankyaku's from his girafe hand paws.. Like come on..
Holy fucking shit, you are saying I should accept that Kinemons swords give him fire powers because the scabbards have flame patterns on them? What happened to taking things on face value? How did Zoro learn fire cutting from Kinemon without having the same swords?
Thats probably intermediate CoC and not CoC Coating. I dont think Shanks needs his sword to use it.
Its CoC, GB literally calls it that
I dont know what are we even arguing here
Doesnt matter if you consider him a failure or not, and idk maybe he did use his giraffe hands in hybrid form for the slashes raining down attack.
Thats probably intermediate CoC and not CoC Coating. I dont think Shanks needs his sword to use it.
Its CoC, GB literally calls it that
I dont know what are we even arguing here
Doesnt matter if you consider him a failure or not, and idk maybe he did use his giraffe hands in hybrid form for the slashes raining down attack.
No, that was a add on, the main piece of evidence is Kinemon literally producing fire from Blade from 2 diistinct panels..
Fire cutting is just a step on the road to cut everything and nothing..
For it to be intermediate CoC that i'm thinking about it should be coupled with something, anyway..
Maybe, but Shanks Sword is a famed Blade and definitely has a special ability..
I don't know, Doffy and Luffy's clash was CoC clash but the Lightning was CoA..
Essentially Fujitora not being Swordsmanship but Law being Swordsmanship..
Bruh Kaku is a cappp ass Swordsman..
Fire cutting is just a step on the road to cut everything and nothing..
For it to be intermediate CoC that i'm thinking about it should be coupled with something, anyway..
Maybe, but Shanks Sword is a famed Blade and definitely has a special ability..
I don't know, Doffy and Luffy's clash was CoC clash but the Lightning was CoA..
Essentially Fujitora not being Swordsmanship but Law being Swordsmanship..
Bruh Kaku is a cappp ass Swordsman..
You are not making any sense, Kinemon was introduced with the ability to cut fire, he also showed that he could cut steel after showing he could cut fire. The two abilities are different, Zoro knew how to cut steal but not how to cut fire. Nobody else has shown this ability to cut fire. Cutting fire was unique to Kinemon until Zoro showed it at RT. Logic dictates that there is a higher chance of Kinemon having the ability to produce fire through his swords than his swords having the ability to create flames. Specially when we have characters like Sanji, Luffy and Zoro already creating flames on their own. Agree that it is a step on learning to cut everything and nothing
I am calling it intermediate CoC because it is unlike basic CoC but it is also different from ACoC used by Kaido, Luffy, Zoro, Oden, WB, ROger Garp etc.
Lightning is used to show haki. ACoC has one confirmed indicator of the trails (like WB and ROger, Kaido, Luffy, Zoro), accomapnied with fodder passing out and sfx.
Fujitoras gravity blade is swordsmanship
You can call him a crapp ass swordsman but he is still a swordsman.
I am calling it intermediate CoC because it is unlike basic CoC but it is also different from ACoC used by Kaido, Luffy, Zoro, Oden, WB, ROger Garp etc.
Lightning is used to show haki. ACoC has one confirmed indicator of the trails (like WB and ROger, Kaido, Luffy, Zoro), accomapnied with fodder passing out and sfx.
Fujitoras gravity blade is swordsmanship
You can call him a crapp ass swordsman but he is still a swordsman.
Well Cutting Fire was learned offscreen, so it didn't matter in the first place.. I mean i'm fine with Kinemon having the ability to produce fire through his sword if he can't do it without his Sword.. Zoro didn't create flames?..
Yeah but it doesn't sit quite right..
Need to be careful with that Observation.. In often cases there's no one around.. And the Kaido Big Mom clash chapter 951, no one passed out..
Fujitora can do the same move without it's Blade so it's not Swordsmanship..
Naw, Kaku is not a Swordsman.. I'm taking this to my grave.. Lucci is more of a Swordsman than Kaku..
Yeah but it doesn't sit quite right..
Need to be careful with that Observation.. In often cases there's no one around.. And the Kaido Big Mom clash chapter 951, no one passed out..
Fujitora can do the same move without it's Blade so it's not Swordsmanship..
Naw, Kaku is not a Swordsman.. I'm taking this to my grave.. Lucci is more of a Swordsman than Kaku..
Version 2..
This is a very difficult predicament to fall in to..
Since the beginning of the series Oda has made the distinction between the Pirate King
path and the World Strongest Swordsman's path.. Zoro's main opponents always wielded a Blade even
if they were a fake Swordsman like Kaku or not..
The peak of piracy and the peak of Swordsmanship both stand at the top of the world in some ways..
And when Haki got thrown in the mix the community started being confused about the World Strongest
Swordsman's path for some reason..
Yet it's so simple, top Swordsmanship is heavily CoA oriented and top Piracy is heavily CoC oriented..
Not only that, but the principal point that people have still to realize is that Swords, especially high grades, have
powers, Haki based powers.. They amp up the CoA output tremendously..
It goes hand in hand with Black Blade lore strictly reserved to the peak of Swordsmanship, just like there's lore
specifically reserved for the peak of piracy with the voice of all thing..
Powered Swords haven't been officially expanded upon, but there are tons of hints like Shusui adding Haki on its
own while performing a flying slash and such..
Ashura's power source being from Sandai Kitetsu..
Roger layed out the different paths clearly..
He faced Oden as a Samurai Swordsman with a CoA concentrated attack..
He faced Whitebeard as a Pirate with a CoC concentrated attack..
Free yourself from the CoC Curse!..
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