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#21
You use the word "disappointment", I didn't. Should answer your question right there. I don't read one piece for power scaling and dick measuring contests like you and half this forum does. If he's weak, it just goes against what I thought would play out for the possible Ace character.

The "Ace" has been a conversation long before Kaido's son ever came into the picture, him having a son just adds another unknown character on Kaido's side that gives possibility to it, not to mention there was a character from the Beasts Pirates watching the events at Punk Hazard who gave orders indirectly to Jack and nobody matches his design.



That's exactly what you should do lol.
Well I would assert, combat scenarios are the only redeeming component of One Piece at the moment and it is rather hard for me to anything more than surface level enjoyment for it.

One Piece by Eiichiro Oda is not a complex piece of literature, there isn't ethical dilemma presented to any character at any moment, there aren't any complex characters with compelling layers, there isn't any character development, at best a character would get fleshed out.

Then there is obvious lack of urgency, lack of focus of consistency to a character's response to events, the most obvious example of it being Roronoa's rather comical response to his captain not only acting out on whims in an emperors territory thwarting what ever was left of a long term plan, but also getting arrested. It is same Roronoa who has been shown on numerous occasions showing his disapproval towards Luffy's nonchalant approach to piracy and lack of caution. Even regarding Wano itself he gave a speech to Luffy regarding the severity of stepping inside an emperor's territory and how caution is essential. But instead of providing a character fleshing out moment for Zoro, showing us how Zoro would react in a situation where his captain showed severe lack of caution and attacked an emperor head on resulting in him thwarting the long term plan and getting arrested, Oda decided to skip past that with just a supposedly comical facial expression same as any other crew mate.

Then there was another scenario where Zoro agreed to let Wano keep the Shushui and take Enma instead. That was another opportunity to flesh Zoro out as a character and show a conflict and expand upon how Zoro would react to said ethical dilemma of him earning a blade by defeating the corpse of his master with the entire "Perhaps this blade has chosen its new master" against reverence that the Shushui blade has for Wano Kuni and its natives. Instead of writing a complex literature engaging readers in how said ethical dilemma would be handled by Zoro, he decided to neglect the fact that it was conveyed in Thriller Bark that Zoro earned that blade and Zoro once again nonchalantly agreed to take Enma.

Then there is compromising characters for the sake of plot and one obvious example of it is Kozuki Oden. Just how naive is Kozuki Oden? He was dancing double crossed by Kurozumi Orochi once when he was dancing in the Wano Kuni's capital in return of the lives of hostages but he got double crossed on that. Then he saw Emperor Kaido win his fight against him by cheating and using another hostage scenario. Upon being cheated on twice by both Kaido and Orochi, it should have been enough for anyone who average mental capacity to realize neither of the men are trust worthy and use the blade he has with him to flee and attack Kaido, but no he decided to go through with the execution once again TRUSTING Kaido and Orochi to let himself and his subordinates go in the scenario where he survives an hour in burning oil.


These is just a few things from one arc and there are many many more. I do not have religious attachment to Japanese Cartoon knowns as One Piece like you do, and I can't look past severe lack of consistency and plot holes. And due to all that, I only have surface level enjoyment and I only care about moments of hype like combat scenarios and cool characters because literally that is the only thing worth while.

Anyways back to OP: Yeah have the lowest possible expectations and think of the most disappointing character you can think off. It will turn out to be a lot more disappointing than that.
 
#22
If Momo didn't transport to the future he might be in the same age as Hiyori which is 26 years old and Oden and Kaido seem to be from the same generation so Kaido's son might be in his 30ish years old. Judging by his age, the calamities who are way older might be his bodyguards and protectors which put him below calamities or he might be a prodigy like Luffy which put him put him above YC1.
I've been saying it for a while now that Kaido will probably not be Luffy's main fight. Kaido and Big Mom (maybe) have a much higher chance to be taken out Oars-style over anything. Why? Because Luffy is a point where he is technically confined to constraints of the story. Kaido is essentially the strongest living pirate. If Luffy wins alone, then what does that say about Luffy or us as viewers when he goes against Akainiu or Blackbeard or possibly Shanks?

Its why I believe Oda is going for a VERY unorthodox type of win here, where all 8 Supernova present in Wano(+ others im sure, like the Scabbards or former WB/Roger pirates) teamup on both Yonko to take them out. Sure, I think Luffy will deal the finishing blows, and I think Kid will be there right with him if Big Mom is a factor. There has been a very clearly setup dynamic between the two that almost makes you believe their rivalry will see them pitted against the 2 Yonko by the end alone. BUT, I don't think Luffy will be able to do it alone for sure before this. The fact that Zoro has Enma and its being setup to cut Kaido lends credence to that idea.


Now, as to why this relates to Kaido's son or the possible "Ace", I think they may be Luffy's actual battle this arc. Luffy is always merited a 1v1 per arc anyway, and I don't see anyone under Jack worth a damn to Luffy as an initial fight. Considering that Jack, Queen and King seem to be "reserved" for other people (or so we think many of us), its why I've been pitching the "Ace" vs. Luffy deal for months now.

The arc started with Tama referencing "an" Ace, and while they'd only have a name in common I think someone else named "Ace" may set Luffy off and make it personal for him, being a funny reason or not.

Anyway, right now its all guesswork with minimal support for the argument, so I don't want to go too deeply into it, but:

- Luffy v. Ace first
- Huge Oars-like battles against Kaido/Big Mom after.

Perhaps there may even be a timeskip (a week or two) between Acts 3 and 4 to allow for this. Hawkins DID say that Luffy has a low chance to survive the month, and its only been 2 weeks into the arc.
 
#24
Well I would assert, combat scenarios are the only redeeming component of One Piece at the moment and it is rather hard for me to anything more than surface level enjoyment for it.

One Piece by Eiichiro Oda is not a complex piece of literature, there isn't ethical dilemma presented to any character at any moment, there aren't any complex characters with compelling layers, there isn't any character development, at best a character would get fleshed out.

Then there is obvious lack of urgency, lack of focus of consistency to a character's response to events, the most obvious example of it being Roronoa's rather comical response to his captain not only acting out on whims in an emperors territory thwarting what ever was left of a long term plan, but also getting arrested. It is same Roronoa who has been shown on numerous occasions showing his disapproval towards Luffy's nonchalant approach to piracy and lack of caution. Even regarding Wano itself he gave a speech to Luffy regarding the severity of stepping inside an emperor's territory and how caution is essential. But instead of providing a character fleshing out moment for Zoro, showing us how Zoro would react in a situation where his captain showed severe lack of caution and attacked an emperor head on resulting in him thwarting the long term plan and getting arrested, Oda decided to skip past that with just a supposedly comical facial expression same as any other crew mate.

Then there was another scenario where Zoro agreed to let Wano keep the Shushui and take Enma instead. That was another opportunity to flesh Zoro out as a character and show a conflict and expand upon how Zoro would react to said ethical dilemma of him earning a blade by defeating the corpse of his master with the entire "Perhaps this blade has chosen its new master" against reverence that the Shushui blade has for Wano Kuni and its natives. Instead of writing a complex literature engaging readers in how said ethical dilemma would be handled by Zoro, he decided to neglect the fact that it was conveyed in Thriller Bark that Zoro earned that blade and Zoro once again nonchalantly agreed to take Enma.

Then there is compromising characters for the sake of plot and one obvious example of it is Kozuki Oden. Just how naive is Kozuki Oden? He was dancing double crossed by Kurozumi Orochi once when he was dancing in the Wano Kuni's capital in return of the lives of hostages but he got double crossed on that. Then he saw Emperor Kaido win his fight against him by cheating and using another hostage scenario. Upon being cheated on twice by both Kaido and Orochi, it should have been enough for anyone who average mental capacity to realize neither of the men are trust worthy and use the blade he has with him to flee and attack Kaido, but no he decided to go through with the execution once again TRUSTING Kaido and Orochi to let himself and his subordinates go in the scenario where he survives an hour in burning oil.


These is just a few things from one arc and there are many many more. I do not have religious attachment to Japanese Cartoon knowns as One Piece like you do, and I can't look past severe lack of consistency and plot holes. And due to all that, I only have surface level enjoyment and I only care about moments of hype like combat scenarios and cool characters because literally that is the only thing worth while.

Anyways back to OP: Yeah have the lowest possible expectations and think of the most disappointing character you can think off. It will turn out to be a lot more disappointing than that.
Considering this admittedly concise analysis about Wano and Zoro, I'm shocked you can assume I have a "religious attachment to Japanese cartoon knowns" compared to you lol. I personally just don't read too deeply into the story like that, and its simply an enjoyable read on a weekly basis.

This seems to affect you more personally than you care to admit....you seem to be suggesting otherwise with this post.

Anyway, I still think you are wrong about character behavior and you expect way to much from an arc with 80+ named characters in it.

Its time to take a chill pill.
 
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#25
Considering this admittedly concise analysis about Wano and Zoro, I'm shocked you can assume I have a "religious attachment to Japanese cartoon knowns" compared to you lol. I personally just don't read too deeply into the story like that, and its simply and enjoyable read on a weekly basis.

This seems to affect you more personally than you care to admit....you seem to be suggesting otherwise with this post.

Anyway, I still think you are wrong about character behavior and you expect way to much from an arc with 80+ named characters in it.

Its time to take a chill pill.
No no, I just pay attention to anything I read, that's just how it is.
Paying attention when you read One Piece makes you see glaring holes in it and there are so many glaring holes in it, it is very hard for me to enjoy it anything more than on a surface level.

I am chill lol, I give zero fucks about One Piece that's why I said I have no expectations.

Though I am almost certain Kaido's son is gonna be a pathetic character. At best he would be like a Kid with Momo's age who opposes Kaido's ways and would turn out to be a plot device playing a factor in Kaido's defeat.

At worst he would be a basement dwelling fat fuck eating cheetos.
 
#27
I've been saying it for a while now that Kaido will probably not be Luffy's main fight. Kaido and Big Mom (maybe) have a much higher chance to be taken out Oars-style over anything. Why? Because Luffy is a point where he is technically confined to constraints of the story. Kaido is essentially the strongest living pirate. If Luffy wins alone, then what does that say about Luffy or us as viewers when he goes against Akainiu or Blackbeard or possibly Shanks?

Its why I believe Oda is going for a VERY unorthodox type of win here, where all 8 Supernova present in Wano(+ others im sure, like the Scabbards or former WB/Roger pirates) teamup on both Yonko to take them out. Sure, I think Luffy will deal the finishing blows, and I think Kid will be there right with him if Big Mom is a factor. There has been a very clearly setup dynamic between the two that almost makes you believe their rivalry will see them pitted against the 2 Yonko by the end alone. BUT, I don't think Luffy will be able to do it alone for sure before this. The fact that Zoro has Enma and its being setup to cut Kaido lends credence to that idea.


Now, as to why this relates to Kaido's son or the possible "Ace", I think they may be Luffy's actual battle this arc. Luffy is always merited a 1v1 per arc anyway, and I don't see anyone under Jack worth a damn to Luffy as an initial fight. Considering that Jack, Queen and King seem to be "reserved" for other people (or so we think many of us), its why I've been pitching the "Ace" vs. Luffy deal for months now.

The arc started with Tama referencing "an" Ace, and while they'd only have a name in common I think someone else named "Ace" may set Luffy off and make it personal for him, being a funny reason or not.

Anyway, right now its all guesswork with minimal support for the argument, so I don't want to go too deeply into it, but:

- Luffy v. Ace first
- Huge Oars-like battles against Kaido/Big Mom after.

Perhaps there may even be a timeskip (a week or two) between Acts 3 and 4 to allow for this. Hawkins DID say that Luffy has a low chance to survive the month, and its only been 2 weeks into the arc.
You just gave me a terrible idea. I'm sure it's not true but, if the Ace Tama knew was actually Kaidou's son and not Luffy's brother.
 
#29
No no, I just pay attention to anything I read, that's just how it is.
Paying attention when you read One Piece makes you see glaring holes in it and there are so many glaring holes in it, it is very hard for me to enjoy it anything more than on a surface level.

I am chill lol, I give zero fucks about One Piece that's why I said I have no expectations.

Though I am almost certain Kaido's son is gonna be a pathetic character. At best he would be like a Kid with Momo's age who opposes Kaido's ways and would turn out to be a plot device playing a factor in Kaido's defeat.

At worst he would be a basement dwelling fat fuck eating cheetos.

"Glaring holes". Dude, Shusui is a fucking Wano national treasure. Apparently Zoro, who does not overthink in any situation, is supposed to not be okay with trading a national treasure back for another one he's allowed to take?

He took Enma purely to transform it into a black blade. Shusui does not allow him to do this. Can't you see this clear difference?

You are overanalyzing a shonen that does not require this type of analysis.
 
#31
"Glaring holes". Dude, Shusui is a fucking Wano national treasure. Apparently Zoro, who does not overthink in any situation, is supposed to not be okay with trading a national treasure back for another one he's allowed to take?

He took Enma purely to transform it into a black blade. Shusui does not allow him to do this. Can't you see this clear difference?

You are overanalyzing a shonen that does not require this type of analysis.
Enma is not a Wano national treasure though lmao and since when does Zoro give a fuck about Revered things lmao?
What about the fact that Corpse of Ryuma approved of Zoro taking that sword and Oda himself writing the following words "Maybe the blade has chosen its new master"

"He took Enma purely to transform it into a black blade" When did he say he is taking Enma to make it black? I don't remember him saying that before taking Enma.
 
#33
You just gave me a terrible idea. I'm sure it's not true but, if the Ace Tama knew was actually Kaidou's son and not Luffy's brother.
As much as I'd love this, Tengu explained how Ace and his crew were captured and helped them with food/etc.

If there is an Ace on Kaido's side, I think the relationship would be symbolic. Luffy, being simple minded, may hear the name "Ace" and it just makes it all personal for him. Tama needs to find out that Luffy is Ace's brother somehow, and I think it may be through this more or less.
 
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#34
"Glaring holes". Dude, Shusui is a fucking Wano national treasure. Apparently Zoro, who does not overthink in any situation, is supposed to not be okay with trading a national treasure back for another one he's allowed to take?

He took Enma purely to transform it into a black blade. Shusui does not allow him to do this. Can't you see this clear difference?

You are overanalyzing a shonen that does not require this type of analysis.
He is just over analyzing Zoro or just can't digest the fact that Zoro is as simple a character as Luffy many times....forgetting the fact that Zoro is almost as reckless as Luffy...Zoro became wanted man even before Luffy came to Wano....Zoro also played a major part of the ruckus that invited Kaido to Kuri.....not to mention, he tried to kill Shogun in public out of anger....
 
#35
Enma is not a Wano national treasure though lmao and since when does Zoro give a fuck about Revered things lmao?
What about the fact that Corpse of Ryuma approved of Zoro taking that sword and Oda himself writing the following words "Maybe the blade has chosen its new master"

"He took Enma purely to transform it into a black blade" When did he say he is taking Enma to make it black? I don't remember him saying that before taking Enma.
Ok sure he took enma before understanding this, but the next chapter clearly elucidates WHY him taking Enma was better than keeping Shusui. Also the arc hasn't ended yet, getting pissy much over a storyline that clearly hasn't ended?

So its a simple manga?
Its "simpler" than what you are thinking. You are diving into the psyche of a character that quite literally does not have a psyche written in for him.

Character relationships and world building is Oda's forte. Inner turmoil or brain games is NOT what One Piece is about.

Learn to let go of petty shit and you'll appreciate what the manga truly is about.
 
#36
Kaido is the big dog.

So I don't expect anything to threaten at all his superior position in the crew.

( If he was stronger than the calamities ...lol Oda decided that calamity was enough to stop Big mon pirates ,way to shit on them)
At least by knowing King is the second strongest BM pirates have something to stand on when it comes to portrayal but if King is the 3rd strongest and did such...

:gokulaugh:


Between adult and weak and 16 ish and weak
(He will be friend of Momo....)
 
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#37
Ok sure he took enma before understanding this, but the next chapter clearly elucidates WHY him taking Enma was better than keeping Shusui. Also the arc hasn't ended yet, getting pissy much over a storyline that clearly hasn't ended?
If he found out that taking Enma was "better than having Shushui" after he took Enma, how does that help the fact that he still took Enma before knowing that it is better than taking Shushui. Seems to me like you know I am right but you are trying to defend One Piece because you have an attachment to it.


Its "simpler" than what you are thinking. You are diving into the psyche of a character that quite literally does not have a psyche written in for him.

Character relationships and world building is Oda's forte. Inner turmoil or brain games is NOT what One Piece is about.

Learn to let go of petty shit and you'll appreciate what the manga truly is about.
"psyche" lol
Wasn't Zoro fleshed out as a character literally every arc pre TS? Weren't we learning about his approach to leadership, his approach to piracy, his approach to combat, why he trains, who he fights for, different layers of his character pre TS?

Wasn't it emphasized on several occasions that Zoro takes Piracy more seriously than anyone in the crew? What was this all about?


What was Zoro lecturing Luffy in Punk Hazard and Zou all about?
Why did that all not come into fruition?

And its all fine and dandy, idgaf but then don't act like you are on some kind of a high horse bitching and moaning about "People who only care about Bad Ass character and dick measuring contest".
Pick a fucking side, If One Piece is a simple as fuck manga where every character will be compromised then most readers would only care about combat and bad ass characters because those things are easiest to invest in. Only other thing that has redeeming value is adventure and world building, which Oda hasn't done the latter since Skypea.
 
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#38
First you decided to be a snob with a stick up your ass calling people out for liking bad ass characters and combat and then back tracked to "One Piece is a simple manga that doesn't require analysis"


Get the fuck outta here lol
 
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