Hello everyone here,
Lee Hung here to provide those who accuse me of being a Moubu fan with even more ammunition. “Why does Lee do this to himself?” Some of you are asking. “Lee, just accept that you are a Moubu fan,” others are saying. My response to these allegations?
Today we’re going to talk about Kanmei and dispel some of the claims I see people making about him online pretty consistently and why I find Kanmei to be an extremely underrated Great General. People seem to be in agreement that Kanmei is an excellent warrior, but less so when it comes to discussing him as a general.
So let’s get started.
“Kanmei doesn’t have weight”
This is one of the most pervasive misconceptions I have ever seen about any Kingdom character. It is probably because the word “weight” was never explicitly used to describe Kanmei. However, we have not one but two enormously credible sources debunking this claim.
Firstly, what exactly is Weight? Well let’s have a look at how Ouki describes the phenomena:
I know panels sometimes get spammed in discussions, but I beg anyone actually reading this post to actually stop and really dissect what Ouki is saying here:
A general’s existence carries so much weight (he uses this explicit word) because a general is someone who overcomes numerous brushes with death, and therefore shoulders the responsibility of overseeing tens of thousands of men.
If you go back and reread the scene where Shin is riding with Ouki on his horse, there is actually a moment where all eyes on the battlefield turn to Ouki (and Shin) and in that moment, Shin feels a wave of strength surging through himself:
Because this is what Weight is. Weight is the strength you derive from shouldering all of the responsibility of others’ lives and wills on your shoulders.
Weight has nothing to do with dead comrades. Yes this is an extension of what it means to carry weight, and as Man’U said, if the source of your strength is someone who has died, then that strength will forever stay with you, however there is nothing inherently present in the way that Ouki describes Weight that means it comes solely from dead comrades.
Ouki’s words are clear. If you are a Great General, a true Great General who has risen through the ranks by facing death and overcoming it numerous times, then you will possess some degree of weight. Hell Shin felt the Weight Ouki carried just from sitting on his horse and having the battlefield turn to him.
Another point to note is that Rinko acknowledged that even 300 man commander Shin had weight:
So there’s really nothing saying only Great Generals can have weight. “Weight” is a concept that can belong to anyone who shoulders the burdens of others on the battlefield. A 5 man squad leader can have weight. This isn’t something like Haki in One Piece that actually takes skill and knowledge and training to use, weight can awaken within anyone at any time subconsciously with them having no idea what it means or even is.
The reason Houken didn’t have any Weight was of course because he wasn’t a true Great General, he was granted the rank by virtue of his strength and not because he was actually shouldering any responsibility on his shoulders. But theoretically any commander at any rank can possess Weight.
I think the “Weight of a Great General” would of course be greater than that of a 300 man commander by virtue of you carrying much more lives and wills on your shoulders, but theoretically even an unranked soldier could shoulder somebody else’s will.
But what is clear is this: the Weight of a Great General (I will just say Weight from now on) stems from your history of rising through the ranks and shouldering the responsibility of your rank on your shoulders.
So back to Kanmei. Let us take a look about what Jin Ou said about Kanmei:
This is Kanmei’s strategist outright saying that Kanmei’s strength comes from his service record as a General and everything Kanmei had “built up” up until that point. And look, if it’s that much harder to become a General in Chu, I’m going to go out on a limb and say it’s that much harder to become a strategist in Chu as well. Just from this guy’s appearance and his rank within the Chu military, it’s apparent that this guy is a heavyweight strategist who has been a strategist for a long time.
But if the words of Jin Ou are not enough for you,
Here is Shouheikun not only saying that Kanmei’s strength is linked to his service record and rank, but also saying that Kanmei could be considered the strongest in China purely by that virtue. IE, Kanmei is the strongest in China because of his service record and not because of his size or physical strength.
So there are two highly credible sources saying that Kanmei’s strength = his service record, while Ouki is saying that “Weight” is explicitly derived from one’s service record. The fact that Hara never took the time to start revealing and explaining side characters who’s specific burdens Kanmei is carrying is irrelevant, because he explicitly took the time to explain that Kanmei’s strength was derived from his service record as a General. That is good enough, that is all we need. We don’t need to take a break from Moubu vs Kanmei to get a flashback of Gakuhakuminsoheki who Kanmei played with as a child and then watched him die on the battlefield and now Kanmei carries his weight or wtfever. Kanmei even says his strength derived from his duties as a Great General to Chu:
The reason that Kanmei lost to Moubu was not because Moubu had more weight, in fact Shouheikun and Jinou both said Moubu’s weight was nothing to Kanmei’s. The reason Moubu beat Kanmei was, as Shouheikun said:
That Moubu would beat Kanmei in spite of how big a gap there was between their service records (weight). Because that is Moubu, he wins when he is underestimated, his strength defies logic, he will prove his own strength and all that.
And also because Kanmei enraged Moubu by attacking Mouten.
In fact, even after Moubu began fighting Kanmei with his full strength, Kanmei was still too much:
And as I showed before Moubu blacked out on his horse here and Kanmei chose to let Moubu get back up because it was a pride duel. So before I get accused of being called a Moubu fan, I think Kanmei could’ve ended everything here if he chose to lol. But anyway,
“Kanmei isn’t a real Great General, he is basically just a brute”
I see people claiming this less often but there are those who forget just how enormous Kanmei’s service record was. So in case everything I’ve posted until now doesn’t scream in your face about how Kanmei is a legitimate Great General and is not a Houken, let’s do this:
Kanmei, as a General, achieved a hundred victories for his state without suffering a single fucking loss. This is actually huge.
I’ve said it before in the past, but if you ever want to tell how Hara is hyping a character’s service record and experience, pay attention to when Hara starts using the “one hundred” number as a benchmark. For some examples off the top of my head:
-Gaimou killed a hundred enemy Generals of Wei
-Kyou captured 99 cities for Qin
-Rinbukun was said to have killed over a hundred Baiyu tribe commanders
-Kaishibou was said to have earned a hundred victories as a solo General
And there’s plenty more.
But not only does Hara give Kanmei a hundred victories for Chu, no, he gives him a hundred undefeated victories. There is literally not a General in this manga who has achieved a hundred undefeated victories for their states, aside from Hakuki, and even this was never stated in the manga but is rather just a well known historical fact about Bai Qi that Hara will probably stick with.
So not only is Kanmei literally the only confirmed commander in the manga who has achieved a hundred victories without losing, you also have Shouheikun saying that his service record is so great that he could be considered the strongest in China at a time where Renpa, Kou En, and who knows who else were still alive.
“But hold on,” you may be saying, “we don’t know who Kanmei fought or defeated over the years. Moubu said Kanmei had only ever fought weaklings.”
And that’s where you would be wrong because of course:
Kanmei not only defeated one of the fucking Qin 6 who are on par with the best Great Generals of all time, he literally one-shot Oukotsu in overwhelming and humiliating fashion. The state of Qin literally had to bury this defeat because Kanmei won so hard.
And the craziest part? Kanmei literally said that Oukotsu didn’t make his blood boil at all. Kanmei had never felt exhilaration in his life before Moubu, Oukotsu was just another W for him amongst a long list of passionless victories. If Kanmei is one shotting Oukotsu and feeling no exhilaration from it, who is to say he didn’t also defeat many other Generals and Great Generals and just feel nothing from them? Oukotsu isn’t a scrub, Oukotsu by sheer portrayal is a mid or high top tier Great General, but Kanmei stomped him anyway.
So not only is Kanmei achieving a hundred victories for Chu, not only was he undefeated while doing it, but he was also defeating the likes of Oukotsu with ease and by extension who knows who else.
“Kouretsu called Kanmei a fool”
Alright it’s amazing to me that there are people who post this with a straight face but I will very briefly address this anyway.
1. Kouretsu himself is an extremely unreliable source. If not for Renpa’s council, Kouretsu may have very well sent Kou En into an impossible battle and then declared Kou En a fool for not winning the impossible battle. Kouretsu is little more than a spoiled monarch bullying his courtsmen while Shunshinkun ran his Kingdom, making claims on things he knows nothing about. I won’t say he was as bad as the infinitely stupid Zhao monarchy, but he has that same “ignorant royal” air about him when he actually thought sending Kou En was possible and Renpa had to calmly explain to him that this would have been a disastrous move.
2. If we had no other information about Kanmei aside from Kouretsu’s words, that would be one thing, but given everything else we know about Kanmei, no lol. Calling Kanmei weak because Kouretsu called him a fool is like calling Riboku weak because Toujou called Riboku a coward. You give off the same “I don’t know what the fuck I’m talking about” energy when you make arguments like this.
Alright I think I’ve typed enough. Thank you for reading this and share your thoughts.
@SakazOuki @Owl Ki @Blackbeard @MarineHQ @Rumble @FutureWarrior123 @RayanOO @God Buggy @TheKnightOfTheSea @Monet @Extravlad
Lee Hung here to provide those who accuse me of being a Moubu fan with even more ammunition. “Why does Lee do this to himself?” Some of you are asking. “Lee, just accept that you are a Moubu fan,” others are saying. My response to these allegations?
Today we’re going to talk about Kanmei and dispel some of the claims I see people making about him online pretty consistently and why I find Kanmei to be an extremely underrated Great General. People seem to be in agreement that Kanmei is an excellent warrior, but less so when it comes to discussing him as a general.
So let’s get started.
“Kanmei doesn’t have weight”
This is one of the most pervasive misconceptions I have ever seen about any Kingdom character. It is probably because the word “weight” was never explicitly used to describe Kanmei. However, we have not one but two enormously credible sources debunking this claim.
Firstly, what exactly is Weight? Well let’s have a look at how Ouki describes the phenomena:
I know panels sometimes get spammed in discussions, but I beg anyone actually reading this post to actually stop and really dissect what Ouki is saying here:
A general’s existence carries so much weight (he uses this explicit word) because a general is someone who overcomes numerous brushes with death, and therefore shoulders the responsibility of overseeing tens of thousands of men.
If you go back and reread the scene where Shin is riding with Ouki on his horse, there is actually a moment where all eyes on the battlefield turn to Ouki (and Shin) and in that moment, Shin feels a wave of strength surging through himself:
Because this is what Weight is. Weight is the strength you derive from shouldering all of the responsibility of others’ lives and wills on your shoulders.
Weight has nothing to do with dead comrades. Yes this is an extension of what it means to carry weight, and as Man’U said, if the source of your strength is someone who has died, then that strength will forever stay with you, however there is nothing inherently present in the way that Ouki describes Weight that means it comes solely from dead comrades.
Ouki’s words are clear. If you are a Great General, a true Great General who has risen through the ranks by facing death and overcoming it numerous times, then you will possess some degree of weight. Hell Shin felt the Weight Ouki carried just from sitting on his horse and having the battlefield turn to him.
Another point to note is that Rinko acknowledged that even 300 man commander Shin had weight:
So there’s really nothing saying only Great Generals can have weight. “Weight” is a concept that can belong to anyone who shoulders the burdens of others on the battlefield. A 5 man squad leader can have weight. This isn’t something like Haki in One Piece that actually takes skill and knowledge and training to use, weight can awaken within anyone at any time subconsciously with them having no idea what it means or even is.
The reason Houken didn’t have any Weight was of course because he wasn’t a true Great General, he was granted the rank by virtue of his strength and not because he was actually shouldering any responsibility on his shoulders. But theoretically any commander at any rank can possess Weight.
I think the “Weight of a Great General” would of course be greater than that of a 300 man commander by virtue of you carrying much more lives and wills on your shoulders, but theoretically even an unranked soldier could shoulder somebody else’s will.
But what is clear is this: the Weight of a Great General (I will just say Weight from now on) stems from your history of rising through the ranks and shouldering the responsibility of your rank on your shoulders.
So back to Kanmei. Let us take a look about what Jin Ou said about Kanmei:
This is Kanmei’s strategist outright saying that Kanmei’s strength comes from his service record as a General and everything Kanmei had “built up” up until that point. And look, if it’s that much harder to become a General in Chu, I’m going to go out on a limb and say it’s that much harder to become a strategist in Chu as well. Just from this guy’s appearance and his rank within the Chu military, it’s apparent that this guy is a heavyweight strategist who has been a strategist for a long time.
But if the words of Jin Ou are not enough for you,
Here is Shouheikun not only saying that Kanmei’s strength is linked to his service record and rank, but also saying that Kanmei could be considered the strongest in China purely by that virtue. IE, Kanmei is the strongest in China because of his service record and not because of his size or physical strength.
So there are two highly credible sources saying that Kanmei’s strength = his service record, while Ouki is saying that “Weight” is explicitly derived from one’s service record. The fact that Hara never took the time to start revealing and explaining side characters who’s specific burdens Kanmei is carrying is irrelevant, because he explicitly took the time to explain that Kanmei’s strength was derived from his service record as a General. That is good enough, that is all we need. We don’t need to take a break from Moubu vs Kanmei to get a flashback of Gakuhakuminsoheki who Kanmei played with as a child and then watched him die on the battlefield and now Kanmei carries his weight or wtfever. Kanmei even says his strength derived from his duties as a Great General to Chu:
The reason that Kanmei lost to Moubu was not because Moubu had more weight, in fact Shouheikun and Jinou both said Moubu’s weight was nothing to Kanmei’s. The reason Moubu beat Kanmei was, as Shouheikun said:
That Moubu would beat Kanmei in spite of how big a gap there was between their service records (weight). Because that is Moubu, he wins when he is underestimated, his strength defies logic, he will prove his own strength and all that.
And also because Kanmei enraged Moubu by attacking Mouten.
In fact, even after Moubu began fighting Kanmei with his full strength, Kanmei was still too much:
And as I showed before Moubu blacked out on his horse here and Kanmei chose to let Moubu get back up because it was a pride duel. So before I get accused of being called a Moubu fan, I think Kanmei could’ve ended everything here if he chose to lol. But anyway,
“Kanmei isn’t a real Great General, he is basically just a brute”
I see people claiming this less often but there are those who forget just how enormous Kanmei’s service record was. So in case everything I’ve posted until now doesn’t scream in your face about how Kanmei is a legitimate Great General and is not a Houken, let’s do this:
Kanmei, as a General, achieved a hundred victories for his state without suffering a single fucking loss. This is actually huge.
I’ve said it before in the past, but if you ever want to tell how Hara is hyping a character’s service record and experience, pay attention to when Hara starts using the “one hundred” number as a benchmark. For some examples off the top of my head:
-Gaimou killed a hundred enemy Generals of Wei
-Kyou captured 99 cities for Qin
-Rinbukun was said to have killed over a hundred Baiyu tribe commanders
-Kaishibou was said to have earned a hundred victories as a solo General
And there’s plenty more.
But not only does Hara give Kanmei a hundred victories for Chu, no, he gives him a hundred undefeated victories. There is literally not a General in this manga who has achieved a hundred undefeated victories for their states, aside from Hakuki, and even this was never stated in the manga but is rather just a well known historical fact about Bai Qi that Hara will probably stick with.
So not only is Kanmei literally the only confirmed commander in the manga who has achieved a hundred victories without losing, you also have Shouheikun saying that his service record is so great that he could be considered the strongest in China at a time where Renpa, Kou En, and who knows who else were still alive.
“But hold on,” you may be saying, “we don’t know who Kanmei fought or defeated over the years. Moubu said Kanmei had only ever fought weaklings.”
And that’s where you would be wrong because of course:
Kanmei not only defeated one of the fucking Qin 6 who are on par with the best Great Generals of all time, he literally one-shot Oukotsu in overwhelming and humiliating fashion. The state of Qin literally had to bury this defeat because Kanmei won so hard.
And the craziest part? Kanmei literally said that Oukotsu didn’t make his blood boil at all. Kanmei had never felt exhilaration in his life before Moubu, Oukotsu was just another W for him amongst a long list of passionless victories. If Kanmei is one shotting Oukotsu and feeling no exhilaration from it, who is to say he didn’t also defeat many other Generals and Great Generals and just feel nothing from them? Oukotsu isn’t a scrub, Oukotsu by sheer portrayal is a mid or high top tier Great General, but Kanmei stomped him anyway.
So not only is Kanmei achieving a hundred victories for Chu, not only was he undefeated while doing it, but he was also defeating the likes of Oukotsu with ease and by extension who knows who else.
“Kouretsu called Kanmei a fool”
Alright it’s amazing to me that there are people who post this with a straight face but I will very briefly address this anyway.
1. Kouretsu himself is an extremely unreliable source. If not for Renpa’s council, Kouretsu may have very well sent Kou En into an impossible battle and then declared Kou En a fool for not winning the impossible battle. Kouretsu is little more than a spoiled monarch bullying his courtsmen while Shunshinkun ran his Kingdom, making claims on things he knows nothing about. I won’t say he was as bad as the infinitely stupid Zhao monarchy, but he has that same “ignorant royal” air about him when he actually thought sending Kou En was possible and Renpa had to calmly explain to him that this would have been a disastrous move.
2. If we had no other information about Kanmei aside from Kouretsu’s words, that would be one thing, but given everything else we know about Kanmei, no lol. Calling Kanmei weak because Kouretsu called him a fool is like calling Riboku weak because Toujou called Riboku a coward. You give off the same “I don’t know what the fuck I’m talking about” energy when you make arguments like this.
Alright I think I’ve typed enough. Thank you for reading this and share your thoughts.
@SakazOuki @Owl Ki @Blackbeard @MarineHQ @Rumble @FutureWarrior123 @RayanOO @God Buggy @TheKnightOfTheSea @Monet @Extravlad
