Versus Battle Kenjaku's Domain Expansion & the Gojo vs Sukuna debate - a thread.

[ConquistadoR]

So a lot of Sukunabros told me that Malevolent Shrine is a "Godlike" Domain Expansion as Sukuna can expand an "open-barrier" Domain, like painting not on a canvas but on a thin air & that it would neg diff my boy Gojo.

But recently, we saw Kenjaku do the same thing - with Tengen literally spelling out that Kenjaku's DE feat was on the same level as Sukuna's.​

Tengen: "Sukuna demonstrated this in Shibuya. It is an amazing feat in which he opens his Domain and activates a Technique without closing the Barrier." --- ch. 206

But then the same Kenjaku, literally spells out that Gojo is too strong for him to get away with his plans and meticulously planned with 4 Disasters & Choso to seal him with a Prison Realm instead of beating him in open battle.

Kenjaku: "You know, you're just too strong. You're in the way of my plans." --- ch. 090

My question to the Sukuna Legion is just 1 thing - why is someone with the same level of Domain Expansion as Ryomen Sukuna himself openly accepting his inferiority from his own words & actions, to Satoru Gojo?

Let the mental gymnastics begin!

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[NikaInParis]

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[EmperorKinyagi]

So a lot of Sukunabros told me that Malevolent Shrine is a "Godlike" Domain Expansion as Sukuna can expand an "open-barrier" Domain, like painting not on a canvas but on a thin air & that it would neg diff my boy Gojo.

But recently, we saw Kenjaku do the same thing - with Tengen literally spelling out that Kenjaku's DE feat was on the same level as Sukuna's.​

Tengen: "Sukuna demonstrated this in Shibuya. It is an amazing feat in which he opens his Domain and activates a Technique without closing the Barrier." --- ch. 206

But then the same Kenjaku, literally spells out that Gojo is too strong for him to get away with his plans and meticulously planned with 4 Disasters & Choso to seal him with a Prison Realm instead of beating him in open battle.

Kenjaku: "You know, you're just too strong. You're in the way of my plans." --- ch. 090

My question to the Sukuna Legion is just 1 thing - why is someone with the same level of Domain Expansion as Ryomen Sukuna himself openly accepting his inferiority from his own words & actions, to Satoru Gojo?

Let the mental gymnastics begin!

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This isn’t anything new. If domain skill was all that mattered in a fight than Mahito > Gojo since he replicated his best feat after seeing it once.

Kenjaku can be more skilled with his domain and not be stronger than Gojo.

I don’t think any serious Sukuna bro think 15 finger Sukuna would beat Gojo.

 

[NikaInParis]

Kenjaku is a barrier specialist, probably better rn than Tengen, so creating a barrierless domain shouldn't be much of an issue for him

And yeah, Sukuna ain't neg diffing Gojo lmao

What is it with this fandom and these hyperbolic neg diff and low diff claims smh

 

[Ryuarashi]

So a lot of Sukunabros told me that Malevolent Shrine is a "Godlike" Domain Expansion as Sukuna can expand an "open-barrier" Domain, like painting not on a canvas but on a thin air & that it would neg diff my boy Gojo.

But recently, we saw Kenjaku do the same thing - with Tengen literally spelling out that Kenjaku's DE feat was on the same level as Sukuna's.​

Tengen: "Sukuna demonstrated this in Shibuya. It is an amazing feat in which he opens his Domain and activates a Technique without closing the Barrier." --- ch. 206

But then the same Kenjaku, literally spells out that Gojo is too strong for him to get away with his plans and meticulously planned with 4 Disasters & Choso to seal him with a Prison Realm instead of beating him in open battle.

Kenjaku: "You know, you're just too strong. You're in the way of my plans." --- ch. 090

My question to the Sukuna Legion is just 1 thing - why is someone with the same level of Domain Expansion as Ryomen Sukuna himself openly accepting his inferiority from his own words & actions, to Satoru Gojo?

Let the mental gymnastics begin!

​

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This is the equivalent of Mihawk vs Shanks. Mihawk knows he has greater sword skills, but is weaker overall.



On a serious note, Gojo likely has the ability to create a Domain without a barrier but of course we're just waiting on the feat.

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

Sukuna bros/Gojo haters in the mud lol.

 

[ConquistadoR]

Your tags, sir!

Thanks!

Mahito > Gojo since he replicated his best feat after seeing it once.

He replicated a 0.2 second Domain, that isnt a full representation of a Domain's power or skill, even Hakari's domain realizes faster than that.

Usually the quality of a sorceror's Domain technique determines the winner of a battle since Domains and Maximum Techniques are the Pillars of Jujutsu. And Kenjaku blatantly admitting inferiority to Gojo means either 2 things - either Gojo's domain can also be realized that way and is even more refined or that Gojo can still destroy Kenjaku even with such a DE whereby the argument extends to Sukuna as well.

 

[EmperorKinyagi]

Thanks!


He replicated a 0.2 second Domain, that isnt a full representation of a Domain's power or skill, even Hakari's domain realizes faster than that.

Usually the quality of a sorceror's Domain technique determines the winner of a battle since Domains and Maximum Techniques are the Pillars of Jujutsu. And Kenjaku blatantly admitting inferiority to Gojo means either 2 things - either Gojo's domain can also be realized that way and is even more refined or that Gojo can still destroy Kenjaku even with such a DE whereby the argument extends to Sukuna as well.

Um.

You do realize that the second case doesn’t necessarily extend to Sukuna?

Just because Gojo can beat Kenjaku with an inferior DE doesn’t mean the same for Sukuna since we have no direct comparisons between Sukuna and Kenjaku.

It can be the case that both Kenjaku and Sukuna are more skilled than Gojo with DE but Gojo would still beat Kenjaku but not Sukuna.

 

[ConquistadoR]

we have no direct comparisons between Sukuna and Kenjaku.

Tengen and ch. 206 beg to differ. Its literally the same amazing feat as Tengen describes.

It can be the case that both Kenjaku and Sukuna are more skilled than Gojo with DE but Gojo would still beat Kenjaku but not Sukuna.

It can be, I'm not taking away the possibility.
The domain argument y'all had though all this while though... that's in the mud.

 

[EmperorKinyagi]

Tengen and ch. 206 beg to differ. Its literally the same amazing feat as Tengen describes.


It can be, I'm not taking away the possibility.
The domain argument y'all had though all this while though... that's in the mud.

Nah I still think Sukuna’s domain would beat Gojo’s as would Kenjaku’s.

I never thought 15 Sukuna would beat Gojo so confirmation that Gojo could win even with a inferior domain is not surprising.

The main argument is that the domain superiority will edge it out for Sukuna when he’s as full power. Nothing here really debunks that.

 

[Marimo_420]

Gojobros happy he is still above 15 fingers sukuna

 

[EmperorKinyagi]

Gojobros happy he is still above 15 fingers sukuna

If anything this just proves that you guys are terrified @ConquistadoR

 

[ConquistadoR]

Nah I still think Sukuna’s domain would beat Gojo’s as would Kenjaku’s.

If Kenjaku's Domain would beat Gojo's, he'd easily beat him simply by forcing a DE battle lol.

The main argument is that the domain superiority will edge it out for Sukuna when he’s as full power. Nothing here really debunks that.

15 Finger Sukuna had access to almost all of his Techniques. They get more powerful as more of his Fingers are ingested, doesnt grant him new Techniques.

 

[Dark Admiral]

Kenjaku: "You know, you're just too strong. You're in the way of my plans." --- ch. 090

it doesn't translate to I get totally defeated by you. Kenjaku had Gojo sealed because he would have caused too much of a headache to his plans.

Kenjaku can be more skilled with his domain and not be stronger than Gojo.

Kenjaku is a barrier specialist, probably better rn than Tengen, so creating a barrierless domain shouldn't be much of an issue for him

some good points have already been posted here.
And yeah, current Sukuna isn't defeating Gojo.

 

[EmperorKinyagi]

If Kenjaku's Domain would beat Gojo's, he'd easily beat him simply by forcing a DE battle lol.

Did you miss Gojo effortlessly defending himself in Jogo’s domain? He would have destroyed him there even without using infinite void.

Also, the open domains would allow someone like Gojo to just teleport out right?

Nothing you’ve said establishes Gojo’s domain > Kenjaku’s domain, just Gojo > Kenjaku, which is nothing new.

 

[ConquistadoR]

Nothing you’ve said establishes Gojo’s domain > Kenjaku’s domain, just Gojo > Kenjaku, which is nothing new.

The latter either implies the former or implies Gojo has a way out despite having an inferior Domain. Either way it isnt looking great for Sukuna.

 

[EmperorKinyagi]

The latter either implies the former or implies Gojo has a way out despite having an inferior Domain. Either way it isnt looking great for Sukuna.

No in the second case it just means Gojo has to flee from Sukuna and avoid a fair fight.

 

[ConquistadoR]

it doesn't translate to I get totally defeated by you. Kenjaku had Gojo sealed because he would have caused too much of a headache to his plans.

It does though.
Kenjaku literally went through the headache of gathering his best friends body and meticulously playing the curses to orchestrating Shibuya to finally seal Gojo, just so that he could push forward his plans.

"You're just too strong. You're in the way of my plans" is literally Kenjaku admitting inferiority. There's pretty much no two ways about it right there.

 

[NikaInParis]

Having an open domain means that the person has a great mastery of barriers, and not just that the Domain is very refined.

Sukuna's was the first of its kind, enormous range, and the innate technique is very destructive.
Kenjaku's (from out point of view) is a copycat of Sukuna's, but whereas Sukuna's was hailed as divine, Kenjaku's is implied to be the product of his barrier mastery.

In my opinion, the difference between the two is that Sukuna refined his Domain to such a degree that the barrierless nature was a natural final conclusion to the Domain. Something that happened in a moment of inspiration and as a product of pure genius/talent.

Kenjaku's is the result of barrier manipulation from a person that has been experimenting with CE for 1000+ years, a scientist if you will. Seeing Sukuna's Domain is Shibuya inspired him to try it himself, and not because he was pushed to his extremes and figured it out mid battle (like for example Mahito figured out his normal Domain just before he was killed by Yuji and Nanami)

Both look the same, but their origin and strength are on different levels.

Your opinions @ConquistadoR @EmperorKinyagi

 

[notAfanboy]

Nah I still think Sukuna’s domain would beat Gojo’s as would Kenjaku’s.

I never thought 15 Sukuna would beat Gojo so confirmation that Gojo could win even with a inferior domain is not surprising.

The main argument is that the domain superiority will edge it out for Sukuna when he’s as full power. Nothing here really debunks that.

Bruh,
Kenjaku's plan never succeeded because of six eyes. Here you go wiki article on six eyes that explain Ken got defeated twice and killed an infant six eyes user but still failed, hence he planned to seal six eyes user this time.
Gojo reigns supreme. Sukuna is alive because of Gojo's mercy. You can say Gojo is soft, but he want the next gen to step up.
All that aside, you cant say Kenjaku can beat Gojo's domain. Are you being serious rn?
History records tell us that Sukuna was also defeated. But there is no mention of six eyes user getting defeated. Gojo was outsmarted this time, that's all.