Powers & Abilities Kid losing to Shanks is an integral part of his growth as a conqueror
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Kid does shitty things, but lets not exaggerate it
It was a pirate battle. Those ships all belong to literal career criminals.
Not to mention they wanted to fight Kid
It was a pirate battle. Those ships all belong to literal career criminals.
Not to mention they wanted to fight Kid
Hell kids first act in the new world was literally crucifying someone and Shanks didn’t attack until Kid did. Kid literally brought all this upon himself.
There's a big difference between Kid being a violent pirate and the oppressors who Luffy actively opposes.
The difference being that Kid doesn't take away the freedom of others.
He hurts civilians.... because they insult him
He kills pirates... because they're in the "game". Even Zoro killed one guy from Baroque works.
And if you read the SBS backstory Oda gave Kid, it seems very likely that he's like Luffy in that he values freedom.
Kid basically did the thing Luffy did in liberating an island from its oppressor. Hell, he did the same thing in wano by taking out Big Mom, who was allied with Kaido.
The idea that Kid cannot be a successful pirate in of himself because it would go against Luffy's narrative is nonsense.
Joyboy liberates the oppressed, he doesn't rule the world. Kid hasn't been shown oppressing anybody. Unless you think killing pirates is oppression, in that case Roger, Shanks, and Zoro are all oppressors as well.
The difference being that Kid doesn't take away the freedom of others.
He hurts civilians.... because they insult him
He kills pirates... because they're in the "game". Even Zoro killed one guy from Baroque works.
And if you read the SBS backstory Oda gave Kid, it seems very likely that he's like Luffy in that he values freedom.
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Kid basically did the thing Luffy did in liberating an island from its oppressor. Hell, he did the same thing in wano by taking out Big Mom, who was allied with Kaido.
The idea that Kid cannot be a successful pirate in of himself because it would go against Luffy's narrative is nonsense.
Joyboy liberates the oppressed, he doesn't rule the world. Kid hasn't been shown oppressing anybody. Unless you think killing pirates is oppression, in that case Roger, Shanks, and Zoro are all oppressors as well.
Side piece is over, Oda got rid of all the filler characters that were here to pad the story, now we are back to the original plan with the OG characters that Oda had in mind 20 years ago.
One piece is about Luffy Shanks Buggy Blackbeard Dragon the marines and the WG not captain Kid or Law or even Big Mom and Kaido.
One piece is about Luffy Shanks Buggy Blackbeard Dragon the marines and the WG not captain Kid or Law or even Big Mom and Kaido.
Bro literally owns slaves and wants to be part of the world government
Anyways regardless of whether or not you think Kid is a bad person, every single time he is on screen, he ends up helping Luffy.
So yeah, there is no reason why Oda can't complete Kid's arc and make him a yonko, because ultimately he would just end up helping Luffy anyways.
Anyways regardless of whether or not you think Kid is a bad person, every single time he is on screen, he ends up helping Luffy.
- involved in the sabaody incident, where Luffy punched a celestial dragon
- involved in wano, where they took down Kaido and Big Mom
So yeah, there is no reason why Oda can't complete Kid's arc and make him a yonko, because ultimately he would just end up helping Luffy anyways.
It doesn't matter bro. This is a pirate manga. Luffy is a pirate. His goal isn't to end piracy or even destroy all bad pirates. Dude isn't Akainu.
Kid is Luffy's friend
Kid is Luffy's friend
Kid may have been an ally, but he was put down by Luffys mentor. A man who’s constantly pushed down our throat of his goodness and his strength.
And you think odas going to sacrifice Shanks’ W?
Kid living doesn't undermine Shanks's W. In fact it would actually make sense if Shanks saved Kid from drowning, given how the Kid pirates surrendered, handed over their poneglyphs, and begged Shanks not to kill Kid.
You don't understand what it means to be a villain. Pirates aren't good people, it is known. But this is a pirate manga. Luffy is a pirate.
Being a pirate doesn't make you a villain. Opposing Luffy does. Bart hasn't done that and neither has Kid in any meaningful way.
Kid and Law play distinct and unique roles that none of those characters fill.
They are Luffy's peers and his strongest allies. They are effectively unofficial straw hats. They grow alongside the SHs and have helped the SHs defeat their greatest enemies.
Buggy is literally a fodder joke character.
Shanks and Dragon aren't Luffy's peers, they are more of Luffy's mentors. Hence the role that they play is fundamentally different to that of Kid and Law.
The idea that Kid needs to be dead because Oda will never let him shine when these other characters are around doesn't make sense. Kid grows alongside Luffy, those other characters don't. Eventually when they have served their purpose as mentor, they will step aside.
Its the same reason why we can say with good confidence that Zoro will surpass Shanks as he wishes to be the WSSM.
You don't understand what it means to be a villain. Pirates aren't good people, it is known. But this is a pirate manga. Luffy is a pirate.
Being a pirate doesn't make you a villain. Opposing Luffy does. Bart hasn't done that and neither has Kid in any meaningful way.
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Kid and Law play distinct and unique roles that none of those characters fill.
They are Luffy's peers and his strongest allies. They are effectively unofficial straw hats. They grow alongside the SHs and have helped the SHs defeat their greatest enemies.
Buggy is literally a fodder joke character.
Shanks and Dragon aren't Luffy's peers, they are more of Luffy's mentors. Hence the role that they play is fundamentally different to that of Kid and Law.
The idea that Kid needs to be dead because Oda will never let him shine when these other characters are around doesn't make sense. Kid grows alongside Luffy, those other characters don't. Eventually when they have served their purpose as mentor, they will step aside.
Its the same reason why we can say with good confidence that Zoro will surpass Shanks as he wishes to be the WSSM.
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Shanks did let them live. The giants are the ones who put them in the sea because the Kid pirates attacked their home. Literally their death is because of their own actions. Trying to say they can attack retreating fodder and attack the strongest country in the new world and an emperor known for protecting his people and live with no repercussions would be horrid story telling.
Being a pirate doesn’t make you a villain, but opposing Luffy OR Shanks does. Shanks is literally one of the mangas most generic “good guys.”
Being a pirate doesn’t make you a villain, but opposing Luffy OR Shanks does. Shanks is literally one of the mangas most generic “good guys.”
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No
But calling Kid a villain for opposing Shanks is dumb because Luffy literally wants to do the same thing.
Whether or not a character is a villain is related to their relationship to the MC. Kid has proven on multiple occasions that he is Luffy's ally. Hence he isn't a villain.
In fact, Shanks taking Kid's poneglyphs and hence removing him from the pirate king race ensures that Kid won't ever oppose Luffy. If he comes back, his goal would presumably be just to take revenge on Shanks, which would only help Luffy since Shanks is in the pirate king race.
And I don't think Kid will defeat Shanks. But he'll probably cause him enough trouble to where Teach would defeat him.
