Questions & Mysteries Kidd Pirates on the Live Floor - A Proper Payback

[Ricassian]

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[SCENARIO]
There are not the SHs but Kidd, Killer, Heat, Wire on the Live Floor
I'm not considering Big Mom presence cause she was moved away in a very plot-forced manner

How would they've handled the situation? (Defeating the Numbers, dealing with Queen-Apoo and solving the Ice Oni virus problem?
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Kidd takes down Goki
Drake takes down Juki
Killer takes down Jaki
Drake asks Kidd to join the Alliance, but Kidd reacts in a totally different way than Luffy

Spoiler: Kidd mentions how he'll not form alliances anymore

Killer gets between the two and skirmishes with Drake to interrogate him, in a similar way to Zoro (he would nominate Hawkins and Apoo)

Spoiler: Killer intercepting Drake

Spoiler: Drake explaining his position

Queen is still after Drake and fires at him, Killer, and Kidd the 'Excite Bullets' from the execution platform

Spoiler: Queen firing the Plague bullets on the Live Floor

The virus starts spreading anyway, with Drake acknolowdging it

Spoiler: Ice Oni virus spreading

Queen gives the antibody to Apoo, making him the target of the Survival Game, Apoo starts running away from Killer, Drake and the Live Floor horde

Spoiler: Queen starts the Ice Oni survival game

Spoiler: Apoo receives the antibody from Queen

Spoiler: Apoo becomes the target of the Live Floor

Kidd reaches Queen position by levitating (thanks to his DF), goes Punk Rotten and hits Queen remembering the torture from Udon

Spoiler: Kidd sees Queen and reaches the execution platform levitating

Spoiler: Kidd going "Punk Rotten" and Queen going full Zoan

Spoiler: Kidd hits Queen

Apoo is defeated pretty fast thanks to the 2v1, with Drake pressuring him and Killer making use of an opening

Spoiler: Apoo running away from the horde

Spoiler: Drake pressuring Apoo

Spoiler: Killer blitz

So, in my opinion, Queen, Apoo, Jaki, Goki, Juki would've all been defeated, but the lack of a medic would've kept the Ice Oni spreading.​

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[Fuckthis3]

Apoo will fuck them all up

 

[Luffy is the mc]

They'd be dead or captured in minutes

 

[Ricassian]

Apoo will fuck them all up

They'd be dead or captured in minutes

How? Elaborate it

 

[Luffy is the mc]

How? Elaborate it

Too many people, besides I don't think they can deal with Queen's virus.
Chopper is one of the best doctor of the serie so he figured how to reproduce the antidote, they had marco's help too.
Queen low diffed Drake off panel, he can probably push Kidd to extreme diff or even defeat him.
They would just be overwhelmed by the sheer number.

Straw hats also had the samurai's help.

I can't see a scenario where they don't get defeated in minutes.

 

[Ricassian]

Top many people, besides I don't think they can deal with Queen's virus.
Chopper is one of the best doctor of the serie so he figured how to reproduce the antidote, they had marco's help too.
Queen low diffed Drake off panel, he can probably push Kidd to extreme diff or even defeat him.
They would just be overwhelmed by the sheer number.

Straw hats also had the samurai's help.

I can't see a scenario where they don't get defeated in minutes.

I specified that Kidd could beat Queen 'quickly' cause of the matchup advantage, once he figures the enemy is a cyborg is GG, this is not debatable. Would still be a tough task cause Queen skin is hard but, at the end of the day, is just a matter of time. High diff i still too much seen the advantage.

The way Drake was 'beated' (if we really wnat to use this word) was very circumstancial

The samurais are there anyway, the battle against the Oniwabansu and the Gifters would still be the same, what changes are the high caliber Pirates who deal with other high caliber Pirates (Luffy, Zoro, Usopp, Nami before, Kidd, Killer, Heat, Wire now... Drake being there in both cases). So no, Kidd Pirates wouldn't be defeated by Oniwaban & co in minutes

I'm not sure you readed all the post

 

[Jailer]

They would lose before making it to roofrop.

 

[Perun]

I specified that Kidd could beat Queen 'quickly' cause of the matchup advantage, once he figures the enemy is a cyborg is GG, this is not debatable. Would still be a tough task cause Queen skin is hard but, at the end of the day, is just a matter of time. High diff i still too much seen the advantage.

The way Drake was 'beated' (if we really wnat to use this word) was very circumstancial

The samurais are there anyway, the battle against the Oniwabansu and the Gifters would still be the same, what changes are the high caliber Pirates who deal with other high caliber Pirates (Luffy, Zoro, Usopp, Nami before, Kidd, Killer, Heat, Wire now... Drake being there in both cases). So no, Kidd Pirates wouldn't be defeated by Oniwaban & co in minutes

I'm not sure you readed all the post

He didn't manage to easily destroy a pacifista pre skip,I doubt that he has advantage because Queen is a cyborg.His powers work more like a magnet(he can draw metal to him and repel).

 

[Ricassian]

He didn't manage easily to destroy a pacifista pre skip,I doubt that he has advantage because Queen is a cyborg.His powers work more like a magnet.

The battle was off paneled, we only saw Kidd later in Sabaody during the MF war, no visible injuries so is impossible to judge what happened. The only sure thing is that they won somehow.
Exactly cause his ability works like a magnet he has full control over Queen's body: not like moving his hands and so on (Doffy style), but attracting/repelling him with extreme force anyway he likes. He could literally start using Queen as a metal ball and make him crash repeatedly in every corner of Onigashima and would affect a lot Queen's combat prowness overall.
Also, Queen's weapon would be uneffective on him, Kidd could literally use them against the owner.

 

[Perun]

The battle was off paneled, we only saw Kidd later in Sabaody during the MF war, no visible injuries so is impossible to judge what happened. The only sure thing is that they won somehow.
Exactly cause his ability works like a magnet he has full control over Queen's body: not like moving his hands and so on (Doffy style), but attracting/repelling him with extreme force. He could literally start using Queen as a metal ball and make him crash repeatedly in every corner of Onigashima

I doubt that Oda will make his DF that hax,because that would make every swordsman useless against him(he could literally force Zoro to stab himself with his swords and I doubt that is happening).

 

[Ricassian]

I doubt that Oda will make his DF that hax,because that would make every swordsman useless against him(he could literally force Zoro to stab himself with his swords and I doubt that is happening).

But that's different tho, as I said I don't think he can control the sword of the opponent to stab himself (again, Doffy style) even tho he could show a similar ability in the future... but he can for sure apply an attractive/repulsive force on a metallic object. And Queen is a huge metallic object.
If you add the monstrous strenght Kidd is showing atm, I don't see Queen pushing Kidd over a mid diff fight.

 

[Luffy is the mc]

I specified that Kidd could beat Queen 'quickly' cause of the matchup advantage, once he figures the enemy is a cyborg is GG, this is not debatable.

It is highly debatable, Big Mom is using a sword yet he is not doing anything to take it away.
He is exclusively using his powers as a brawler. Not very effective. Once he shows he can use his powers differently I might reconsider it but I'm not going for headcanon.

 

[Ricassian]

It is highly debatable, Big Mom is using a sword yet he is not doing anything to take it away.
He is exclusively using his powers as a brawler. Not very effective. Once he shows he can use his powers differently I might reconsider it but I'm not going for headcanon.

The answer I gave to @Perun applies to you too

 

[Roronoa-sama]

Kid and killer aren't luffy and Zoro

 

[Perun]

But that's different tho, as I said I don't think he can control the sword of the opponent to stab himself (again, Doffy style) even tho he could show a similar ability in the future... but he can for sure apply an attractive/repulsive force on a metallic object. And Queen is a huge metallic object.
If you add the monstrous strenght Kidd is showing atm, I don't see Queen pushing Kidd over a mid diff fight.[/QUOTE

We will have to wait to see if Oda will show us if he can use his DF abilites that way.Maybe in final war if Kid gets involved and take's on a pacifista ,for now we can't tell.

 

[Luffy is the mc]

The answer I gave to @Perun applies to you too

I saw that but that's not how he used his powers on panel so far. So nope.
Besides he'd be busy dealing with Apoo. Killer would be dealing with the numbers and the others would have for most of them been contaminated by the virus.
Queen is a trump card, he can intervene after 15 minutes and beat the rest of the one standing.

 

[Ricassian]

We will have to wait to see if Oda will show us if he can use his DF abilites that way.Maybe in final war if Kid gets involved and take's on a pacifista ,for now we can't tell.

I saw that but that's not how he used his powers on panel so far. So nope.

So now we're assuming that a DF centred around magnetism and attracting/repelling magnetic materials can't affect metallic bodies (Queen, Pacifista etc..)?

Besides he'd be busy dealing with Apoo. Killer would be dealing with the numbers and the others would have for most of them been contaminated by the virus.
Queen is a trump card, he can intervene after 15 minutes and beat the rest of the one standing.

2 Numbers would be KOed since the start (Kidd-Drake combo in parallel with Luffy-Drake combo)
The 3rd Number could be taken down by Killer
Queen can't chill 15 minutes cause otherwise Apoo would be destroyed by Kidd, Killer and Drake too
If Queen really appears later, then the whole situation becomes easier for the Kidd Pirates, I made sure to have both Queen and Apoo there (as happened in the manga) so that it isn't one sided

 

[Midnight Delight]

Heat and Wire are Vet Level 100% so they probably can take on two of the Flying Five

 

[Luffy is the mc]

So now we're assuming that a DF centred around magnetism and attracting/repelling magnetic materials can't affect metallic bodies (Queen, Pacifista etc..)?

Yes we are. He is supposed to do it with swords yet doesn't. I'm not giving him abilities he doesn't show on panel.

2 Numbers would be KOed since the start (Kidd-Drake combo in parallel with Luffy-Drake combo)
The 3rd Number could be taken down by Killer
Queen can't chill 15 minutes cause otherwise Apoo would be destroyed by Kidd, Killer and Drake too
If Queen really appears later, then the whole situation becomes easier for the Kidd Pirates, I made sure to have both Queen and Apoo there (as happened in the manga) so that it isn't one sided

No they wouldn't because there is not enough people on Kidd's side to fight off the gifters, the virus, the numbers, Apoo and Queen.
The straw hats and Kidd could make it faster to the roof because they got help from a lot of different people.
You also have to keep in mind that there weren't more people on the floor because the others were busy with other problems, without any allies, all the enemies would just rally to that place.
They just stand no chance.

 

[Perun]

So now we're assuming that a DF centred around magnetism and attracting/repelling magnetic materials can't affect metallic bodies (Queen, Pacifista etc..)?

2 Numbers would be KOed since the start (Kidd-Drake combo in parallel with Luffy-Drake combo)
The 3rd Number could be taken down by Killer
Queen can't chill 15 minutes cause otherwise Apoo would be destroyed by Kidd, Killer and Drake too
If Queen really appears later, then the whole situation becomes easier for the Kidd Pirates, I made sure to have both Queen and Apoo there (as happened in the manga) so that it isn't one sided

I personally doubt that it will work on a body,because that would mean that pre skip Kidd could fodderize Queen or Kuma,he could just pull out the entire metal out of them and make them explode.