Future Events Killer will defeat Beckman

[Killer#777]

I don’t know why you’re ignoring these simple facts. Is it just because you don’t like it?

I'm ignoring your way of thinking by taking everything at face value just to powerscale characters without any context.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

I'm ignoring your way of thinking by taking everything at face value just to powerscale characters without any context.

Oda will give context when needed:
Robin is given a high bounty because she can read the poneglyphs
Garp is only a VA because he refused promotion multiple times

He gave no such context for Hawkins so no reason to assume it. It’s just like people saying “Kaido and big mom are awakened!” Just for oda to outright state when everyone else is using awakening.

Take the story at face value.

 

[Monkey D. Luffy]

But for new members it makes no sense for Kaido to say, you can be a headliner but won’t let you prove yourself to be more, or if oda ever alluded to hawkins Being that level and just not been promoted like he did for Garp.

We have no full understanding on the Beast Pirates' hierarchy. The Headliners are said to be "chosen Gifters" yet those without SMILE fruits can join its rank. What's not to say the Headliners also comprises of former pirate captains or Devil Fruit users in general. We still can't rule out Apoo being a Headliner either.

But he didn’t. He introduced Hawkins as a headliner. Then introduced the Tobi Roppo as the six strongest headliners. And if Hawkins never fought killer no one would even think Hawkins is on their level.

Because Oda didn't want the Beast Pirates' officers to comprise of Supernovas aside from one exception because that would be lazy.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

We have no full understanding on the Beast Pirates' hierarchy. The Headliners are said to be "chosen Gifters" yet those without SMILE fruits can join its rank. What's not to say the Headliners also comprises of former pirate captains or Devil Fruit users in general. We still can't rule out Apoo being a Headliner either.



Because Oda didn't want the Beast Pirates' officers to comprise of Supernovas aside from one exception because that would be lazy.

Or just because Oda was using Hawkins as a way to hype up the Tobi Roppo and therefore the straw hats for beating them.

Apoo was never called a headliner. He had a separate roll outside of the normal chain of command as the informer.

 

[Killerj]

Killer negged ben in the past, how do you think that kid was rescued from rhp s3x dungeon?

 

[Monkey D. Luffy]

Or just because Oda was using Hawkins as a way to hype up the Tobi Roppo and therefore the straw hats for beating them.

If Hawkins were the Tobi Roppo's hype tool, he would've lost to the weakest Tobi Roppo.

Apoo was never called a headliner. He had a separate roll outside of the normal chain of command as the informer.

And Bege was never called a "Fighter" in the Big Mom Pirates like Tamago and Pekoms but is clearly part of that ranking system.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

If Hawkins were the Tobi Roppo's hype tool, he would've lost to the weakest Tobi Roppo.



And Bege was never called a "Fighter" in the Big Mom Pirates like Tamago and Pekoms but is clearly part of that ranking system.

Hawkins doesn’t need to lose because him being a headliner already means he’s weaker than them.

And bege was outright called a Rook which is just like Tamago who’s a Knight and Bobbins who’s a bishop.

Apoo is not a headliner. He’s an informant.

 

[Killer#777]

Take the story at face value.

no because I'm not ignorant.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

no because I'm not ignorant.

Or because you just don’t agree with what’s in it

 

[Monkey D. Luffy]

Hawkins doesn’t need to lose because him being a headliner already means he’s weaker than them.

Of course you're defaulting to "but Hawkins's a Headliner." You will never address Hawkins being new and Kaido's system entailing he'd have to challenge a Tobi Roppo. You can't find anything in the manga that backs your notion because there's nothing conclusive on how the Headliner system works.

And bege was outright called a Rook which is just like Tamago who’s a Knight and Bobbins who’s a bishop.

So Oda doesn't always outright state the rank? Thanks for proving my point.

Apoo is not a headliner. He’s an informant.

Informant and Headliner? Like how Bao Huang is a Scheduler and Headliner, as in Headliners can have special roles?

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Of course you're defaulting to "but Hawkins's a Headliner." You will never address Hawkins being new and Kaido's system entailing he'd have to challenge a Tobi Roppo. You can't find anything in the manga that backs your notion because there's nothing conclusive on how the Headliner system works.



So Oda doesn't always outright state the rank? Thanks for proving my point.



Informant and Headliner? Like how Bao Huang is a Scheduler and Headliner, as in Headliners can have special roles?

So if luffy joined Kaidos crew would Kaido make him be a headliner? And you want concrete “Headliner” Basil Hawkins, “The Tobi Roppo are the six strongest headliners.” “advancement in the beast pirates is based on strength.” All of these are concrete.

And what do you mean Big moms crew is not Kaidos crew.

Show me where apoos ever called a headliner, please cause it’s not in the manga.

 

[Killer#777]

Or because you just don’t agree with what’s in it

it's not about being in denial it's about not judging a book by it's cover. Basically what I'm telling you is context matters.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

it's not about being in denial it's about not judging a book by it's cover. Basically what I'm telling you is context matters.

I’m judging the book by its contents. Ans I agree context matters, but you’re not talking about context you’re making up headcanon to fit an idea.

 

[Monkey D. Luffy]

So if luffy joined Kaidos crew would Kaido make him be a headliner?

Probably unless he does exceptions.

And you want concrete “Headliner” Basil Hawkins, “The Tobi Roppo are the six strongest headliners.” “advancement in the beast pirates is based on strength.” All of these are concrete.

You know what isn't concrete? How the Headliner system actually works.

Now explain Hawkins being a new member and the implications he'd have to challenge a Tobi Roppo.

And what do you mean Big moms crew is not Kaidos crew.

Doesn't change the fact Oda doesn't always state one's position within an organization.

Show me where apoos ever called a headliner, please cause it’s not in the manga.

Show me Bege being called a Fighter like Pekoms and Tamago.

Spoiler

Not saying Apoo is a Headliner, but there's nothing conclusive to rule him out. Even if he weren't a Headliner, it'd do nothing to answer how the Headliners rank works.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Probably unless he does exceptions.



You know what isn't concrete? How the Headliner system actually works.

Now explain Hawkins being a new member and the implications he'd have to challenge a Tobi Roppo.



Doesn't change the fact Oda doesn't always state one's position within an organization.



Show me Bege being called a Fighter like Pekoms and Tamago.

Spoiler

Not saying Apoo is a Headliner, but there's nothing conclusive to rule him out. Even if he weren't a Headliner, it'd do nothing to answer how the Headliners rank works.

The headliners are officers.
The Tobi Roppo are the six strongest headliners

Kaidos crew is completely strength based. That’s all you need to know to understand that Hawkins is a headliner because he’s strong enough to be an officer but too weak to be a Tobi Roppo.

He named Apoos position in the Beast Pirates, “Beast Pirates Informant” if he was a headliner he’d be called on. But he wasn’t so he’s not.

Hawkins is a headliner because that’s where he belongs.

 

[Monkey D. Luffy]

The headliners are officers.
The Tobi Roppo are the six strongest headliners

Kaidos crew is completely strength based. That’s all you need to know to understand that Hawkins is a headliner because he’s strong enough to be an officer but too weak to be a Tobi Roppo.

So the same old "but Hawkins is a Headliner" routine. No addressing Hawkins being new or the implications he has to challenge a Tobi Roppo.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

So the same old "but Hawkins is a Headliner" routine. No addressing Hawkins being new or the implications he has to challenge a Tobi Roppo.

Because that doesn’t matter?
Again, are you saying Kaido assessed Hawkins strength gave him the role as headliner, but then said you’re too new to be a tobi roppo? Because that literally makes no sense.

Youre ignoring a simple fact. Oda writes this manga for 12 year olds, its incredibly straight forward. Hawkins is a headliner, tobi roppo are six strongest headliners. Hawkins isn’t a tobi roppo. Make up all the context you want, cause none exists in the manga to dispute these facts.

 

[MonsterKaido]

Are people arguing fraud hawkins > Ulti? Lol

 

[Monkey D. Luffy]

Again, are you saying Kaido assessed Hawkins strength gave him the role as headliner

No, I'm saying Kaido probably gave him that role due to being either a pirate captain or a Devil Fruit user.

but then said you’re too new to be a tobi roppo?

It's not just that Hawkins is new. He'd have to EARN the right to challenge a Tobi Roppo for their spot unless it's empty when he literally just joined.

Youre ignoring a simple fact. Oda writes this manga for 12 year olds, its incredibly straight forward.

The appeal to simplicity.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

No, I'm saying Kaido probably gave him that role due to being either a pirate captain or a Devil Fruit user.



It's not just that Hawkins is new. He'd have to EARN the right to challenge a Tobi Roppo for their spot unless it's empty when he literally just joined.



The appeal to simplicity.

His crew is built on pirate captains who he subjugated.

Show me where Hawkins stated he never earned the right to challenge the Tobi Roppo like oda specifically did for Garp

Odas writing is simple. If Hawkins was strong enough to be a Tobi Roppo, he’d be a Tobi Roppo or oda would’ve specifically stated. But he didn’t so I have no reason to assume oda was lying by saying the Tobi Roppo are the six strongest headliners. He does it for others who’s strength doesn’t match their rank.