King the Wildfire vs Mihawk the Shichibukai
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1. proof of territories shanks had back then
2. just cause he had back then does not mean they were enough to be recognized as an emperor.
enough of what ?
speaking facts?
it is silly to suggest shanks currently held territories in nw while he and his entire crew were chilling in east blue for a significant amount of time. It is also silly to suggest anything I implied meant territories mostly; again READ. I am implying just being a strong pirate isnt enough. strength , acquiring territory and influence is a huge part of it.In fact mihawk does not consider luffy's potential or individual strength the thing thats scary about him, its his ability to gather allies.
2. just cause he had back then does not mean they were enough to be recognized as an emperor.
enough of what ?
speaking facts?
it is silly to suggest shanks currently held territories in nw while he and his entire crew were chilling in east blue for a significant amount of time. It is also silly to suggest anything I implied meant territories mostly; again READ. I am implying just being a strong pirate isnt enough. strength , acquiring territory and influence is a huge part of it.In fact mihawk does not consider luffy's potential or individual strength the thing thats scary about him, its his ability to gather allies.
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maybe means they are capable so it is close
the hell are you talking about if marco and others could stop him definitively,it would imply they are on par.
as to shanks competing with other yonko that has to be proven .
big mom had not met kaido in decades
wb talked like he had not seen shanks in a while
their meeting was blown out of proportion by the wg
they were not competing with each other as you say.
bb has been a yonko for a year, seems like he has been sitting on an island that long. was he competing with the others then?
big mom has sitting been in wci for how long?
what do you mean by compete?
its not just my headcanon , vivrecard literally states he looks foward to the day a swordmaster will emerge that surpasses his rival red hair an that makes sense narratively because there isnt a short list of strong people.
strong swordmaster tho yes .
read closely kind sir.
https://dimwhp0w2rs83.cloudfront.net/2018/10/Mihawk-vivre-card-databook.jpg
shanks sword has a df is a new one lmao , but even if it does, again its still swordmanship. so many possibilities
shanks a brawler with one arm, you think kizaru is a brawler?
garp is a brawler
luffy is a brawler
show me a panel of shanks brawling while holding his sword.I bet his kicks are scary strong. lmao
his coc prob does something too like stop time.
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another key point you missed on bb becoming a yonko, the gorosei mentions he knows wb territory/turf well so seizing them was not going to be the issue, the real issue was defeating those who would stop him from doing that who happened to be marco and the others. when he did , he was recognized as an emperor.
meaning defeating marco was necessary to be a yonko because they were the ones protecting wb footholds/potentially stopping him from gaining control of wb old territories. you are not an emperor cause you are a top tier and have large portion of allies, you literally control/rule a certain part of the world as well. without doing that, you are no emperor.
the hell are you talking about if marco and others could stop him definitively,it would imply they are on par.
as to shanks competing with other yonko that has to be proven .
big mom had not met kaido in decades
wb talked like he had not seen shanks in a while
their meeting was blown out of proportion by the wg
they were not competing with each other as you say.
bb has been a yonko for a year, seems like he has been sitting on an island that long. was he competing with the others then?
big mom has sitting been in wci for how long?
what do you mean by compete?
its not just my headcanon , vivrecard literally states he looks foward to the day a swordmaster will emerge that surpasses his rival red hair an that makes sense narratively because there isnt a short list of strong people.
strong swordmaster tho yes .
read closely kind sir.
https://dimwhp0w2rs83.cloudfront.net/2018/10/Mihawk-vivre-card-databook.jpg
shanks sword has a df is a new one lmao , but even if it does, again its still swordmanship. so many possibilities
shanks a brawler with one arm, you think kizaru is a brawler?
garp is a brawler
luffy is a brawler
show me a panel of shanks brawling while holding his sword.I bet his kicks are scary strong. lmao
his coc prob does something too like stop time.
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another key point you missed on bb becoming a yonko, the gorosei mentions he knows wb territory/turf well so seizing them was not going to be the issue, the real issue was defeating those who would stop him from doing that who happened to be marco and the others. when he did , he was recognized as an emperor.
meaning defeating marco was necessary to be a yonko because they were the ones protecting wb footholds/potentially stopping him from gaining control of wb old territories. you are not an emperor cause you are a top tier and have large portion of allies, you literally control/rule a certain part of the world as well. without doing that, you are no emperor.
If you want to use panels, use the official translation.
Shanks and the other two at least competed with Whitebeard, confirmed by Law.
And from whatever else is told about the Great Pirate Era, it was like a battle royale with the last four remaining.
Sure, not everyone had to fight everyone, so Kaidou and BM specifically competing does not had to happen, but the Yonkou in general competing? Yes, it happened.
Blackbeard became a Yonkou because he beat Marco and gained the territories, meaning he moved on the territories before the other Yonkou did anything.
Vivre card states he looked for strong people to fight, you should reread like everything else since everything you claimed, see above, is wrong.
Once again, you fail to own up to your own claimed definition of a swordsman, it´s kind of sad.
Whitebeard was shown two times before getting a fight in Marineford, two times he was shown with his glaive, so you had to assume he only fights with his glaive, right?
Come back if you actually know the manga my man.
Ehm no, it means the Gorosei are not completely sure about how strong BB is, but not as strong as Yonkou, hence Yonkou definitely, Marco maybe, with all the might of a Yonkou crew, and he was wrong.
If you want to use panels, use the official translation.
Shanks and the other two at least competed with Whitebeard, confirmed by Law.
And from whatever else is told about the Great Pirate Era, it was like a battle royale with the last four remaining.
Sure, not everyone had to fight everyone, so Kaidou and BM specifically competing does not had to happen, but the Yonkou in general competing? Yes, it happened.
Blackbeard became a Yonkou because he beat Marco and gained the territories, meaning he moved on the territories before the other Yonkou did anything.
Vivre card states he looked for strong people to fight, you should reread like everything else since everything you claimed, see above, is wrong.
Once again, you fail to own up to your own claimed definition of a swordsman, it´s kind of sad.
Whitebeard was shown two times before getting a fight in Marineford, two times he was shown with his glaive, so you had to assume he only fights with his glaive, right?
Come back if you actually know the manga my man.
If you want to use panels, use the official translation.
Shanks and the other two at least competed with Whitebeard, confirmed by Law.
And from whatever else is told about the Great Pirate Era, it was like a battle royale with the last four remaining.
Sure, not everyone had to fight everyone, so Kaidou and BM specifically competing does not had to happen, but the Yonkou in general competing? Yes, it happened.
Blackbeard became a Yonkou because he beat Marco and gained the territories, meaning he moved on the territories before the other Yonkou did anything.
Vivre card states he looked for strong people to fight, you should reread like everything else since everything you claimed, see above, is wrong.
Once again, you fail to own up to your own claimed definition of a swordsman, it´s kind of sad.
Whitebeard was shown two times before getting a fight in Marineford, two times he was shown with his glaive, so you had to assume he only fights with his glaive, right?
Come back if you actually know the manga my man.
"maybe means they are capable so it is close
the hell are you talking about if marco and others could stop him definitively,it would imply they are on par."
here is my quote
reading the official now you do realize they also state "possibly" the yonko which means its not a definitive thing either. Technically they believe those 5 groups are the only ones who stand a chance at the very least.
where the gorosei wrong about marco and the others ?
yes and you could also say they were wrong about even the other yonkos stopping bb; Neither group stopped bb. You cant hold a part of their statement as true and discard the other one as completely false.
yonko's being involved in territorial clashes is quite vague:
1.kaido and big mom have not seen each other in decades
2.when shanks and wb meet , wb questions what happens to his arm which implies its the first time he had got to see shanks face to face in a really long time .
its quite possible that the emperors themselves arent clashing with other emperors but rather their henchmen , crew and commanders . if you think constant territorial clashes means individual yonkos were battling it out , you are misguided. The balance of power was at stake when one yonko approached another and the assumption you want to take from that statement is that is supposedly a regular thing?
This is of course unless you think compete means something other than fighting , if its a constant thing as you say, BB should have had to compete with the other yonkos for wb territory and not just marco. The reason the balance is seen as solid is because a yonko approaching another's territory is rare and quite frankly an act of war threatening the so called balance.
BB did not have to battle it out with any other emperor to become one
I dont have any evidence to believe shanks fought any of the others to become one either.
"He looks forward to the day a swordmaster will emerge to surpass even his rival red haired shanks
he isnt just looking for strong people sir. a strong swordmaster"
wb was shown with his glaive and I would assume that it was his chosen fighting style
1. if he fought with the strongest person in that fighting style enough to be considered a rival then I would assume that was his main fighting style .
Again I dont just see shanks carrying a sword and assume he is a swordsman, again there are a plethora of points
1. no df so he isnt causing quakes that can destroy the entire world
2. not a physical brute or a tank, actually he is quite human, look how easily he lost his arm and compare that to the likes of kaido or mama
3. so what does he have?
at a point in his journey he was recognized as swordsman that was on par with the strongest swordsman in the world till he lost his sword arm. shanks is the only yonko where his swordmanship has been highlighted, you dont get to fight against the best, or better yet rival the best and call it just a "secondary fighting style". just as mihawk honed his skills and trained to be the best at it, his rival shanks logically did the same.
its also possible why mihawk considers shanks a rival is the title he currently holds . And while Mihawk believes his handicap is a deterrent from fighting shanks at his best , it is very possible shanks managed to adapt and remain at relatively where he was with two arms .
Sidenote: Its not confirmed whether these are supervised by oda or not as with most other novels.
There are many reason to believe shanks is indeed a swordsman than just carrying a sword around.
as for wb, he is called the strongest man due to his df that had immense power and could destroy the world as you yourself claim.
meito arent just swords
Look the post I made above, it include spears and other blades.
my definition of a swordman is not simply anyone one who carries a sword but one confirmed by oda.
1. when fuji was classified as a swordsman, the df excuse fell apart
2. The connection between haki and black blades implies swordmanship and haki are not exclusive.
Meaning I dont hold the above reasons anymore as why someone cannot be a swordsman. strangely enough you are quite arrogant for someone who proved Nothing.
https://thelibraryofohara.com/2019/...lete-collection-of-every-sword-in-the-series/
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