King the Wildfire vs Mihawk the Shichibukai
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if he was not attacking it means crocodile attacked and he blocks it. his blade is pointed more towards his direction than crocodile. once again you can clearly see the exclamation before crocodile attacks and key attention given to his eye before he blocks the attck. crocodile is the aggressor here, not sure what you mean by push his sword away. his blade wasnt pushed back. crocodile clashed with his blade, not a slash made from his blade cause at that moment, mihawk was not intent on cutting him down.
Tho depending on how serious he is as you see with daz bones, the power of his slashes vary.
and yes mihawk does hold the strongest sword in the world
its also amazing how kaido's title take a chip off of wb
and how wb title takes a chip off of roger
and mihawk's title takes one off of shanks
if he was not attacking it means crocodile attacked and he blocks it. his blade is pointed more towards his direction than crocodile. once again you can clearly see the exclamation before crocodile attacks and key attention given to his eye before he blocks the attck. crocodile is the aggressor here, not sure what you mean by push his sword away. his blade wasnt pushed back. crocodile clashed with his blade, not a slash made from his blade cause at that moment, mihawk was not intent on cutting him down.
Tho depending on how serious he is as you see with daz bones, the power of his slashes vary.
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and yes mihawk does hold the strongest sword in the world
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not really
if he was not attacking it means crocodile attacked and he blocks it. his blade is pointed more towards his direction than crocodile. once again you can clearly see the exclamation before crocodile attacks and key attention given to his eye before he blocks the attck. crocodile is the aggressor here, not sure what you mean by push his sword away. his blade wasnt pushed back. crocodile clashed with his blade, not a slash made from his blade cause at that moment, mihawk was not intent on cutting him down.
Tho depending on how serious he is as you see with daz bones, the power of his slashes vary.
and yes mihawk does hold the strongest sword in the world
if he was not attacking it means crocodile attacked and he blocks it. his blade is pointed more towards his direction than crocodile. once again you can clearly see the exclamation before crocodile attacks and key attention given to his eye before he blocks the attck. crocodile is the aggressor here, not sure what you mean by push his sword away. his blade wasnt pushed back. crocodile clashed with his blade, not a slash made from his blade cause at that moment, mihawk was not intent on cutting him down.
Tho depending on how serious he is as you see with daz bones, the power of his slashes vary.
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and yes mihawk does hold the strongest sword in the world
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its also amazing how kaido's title take a chip off of wb
and how wb title takes a chip off of roger
and mihawk's title takes one off of shanks
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not really
if he was not attacking it means crocodile attacked and he blocks it. his blade is pointed more towards his direction than crocodile. once again you can clearly see the exclamation before crocodile attacks and key attention given to his eye before he blocks the attck. crocodile is the aggressor here, not sure what you mean by push his sword away. his blade wasnt pushed back. crocodile clashed with his blade, not a slash made from his blade cause at that moment, mihawk was not intent on cutting him down.
Tho depending on how serious he is as you see with daz bones, the power of his slashes vary.
and yes mihawk does hold the strongest sword in the world
its also amazing how kaido's title take a chip off of wb
and how wb title takes a chip off of roger
and mihawk's title takes one off of shanks
if he was not attacking it means crocodile attacked and he blocks it. his blade is pointed more towards his direction than crocodile. once again you can clearly see the exclamation before crocodile attacks and key attention given to his eye before he blocks the attck. crocodile is the aggressor here, not sure what you mean by push his sword away. his blade wasnt pushed back. crocodile clashed with his blade, not a slash made from his blade cause at that moment, mihawk was not intent on cutting him down.
Tho depending on how serious he is as you see with daz bones, the power of his slashes vary.
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and yes mihawk does hold the strongest sword in the world
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its also amazing how kaido's title take a chip off of wb
and how wb title takes a chip off of roger
and mihawk's title takes one off of shanks
The eye thing is used both for when Mihawk is attacked and when he is ready to attack, see here, here, again those lines, once again,
so no, rejected.
You are trying to misdirect the discussion. Kaidou´s title is still up to the air (though people outright stating WB was superior already makes clear that humans are a special entity within that concept),
WB´s title was explained, due to his fighting style, immense destructive capacity he was called that.
And for Mihawk we got the same, namely skill. Yet with the other two, WB was called out being stronger than any other pirate after Roger´s era, and regarding Roger´s era, WB´s infamy always comes up in relation to Roger, and also called the only pirate to be equal to Roger.
Mihawk on the other hand.... fought a high tier more than a decade ago.
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Lol Luffy dodged Mihawk on his own too
People also blocked Mihawk
Mihawk is a mere high high tier.
He isnt beating any Yc1 less than extreme diff
In fact he loses to katakuri Benn
Lol Luffy dodged Mihawk on his own too
People also blocked Mihawk
Mihawk is a mere high high tier.
He isnt beating any Yc1 less than extreme diff
In fact he loses to katakuri Benn
People also blocked Mihawk
Mihawk is a mere high high tier.
He isnt beating any Yc1 less than extreme diff
In fact he loses to katakuri Benn
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Lol Luffy dodged Mihawk on his own too
People also blocked Mihawk
Mihawk is a mere high high tier.
He isnt beating any Yc1 less than extreme diff
In fact he loses to katakuri Benn
Let's be serious Shinmen. Dont downplay the titles to hate on Whitebeard and Mihawk
How do you know Shanks was only a high tier and not a top tier when they fought? Is it because of their age? Luffy Zoro Law Kidd will all become top tiers before 27 (when Shanks lost his arm)
You think two high tiers fight can be good enough to be remembered and labeled as legendary by the great Whitebeard? (Dont bother if you think WB doesnt respect their duels). We saw Kata vs Luffy, two high tiers fighting, you think it can impress any top tiers to the point that he remembers it after 10+ years?
How come only Shanks grew stronger and Mihawk did not after their fight? It's not like Mihawk ended up as a nobody. This is a shonen. We normally take the past strength comparison/portrayal into account. This is more valid for featless characters. When assessing pre-skip Sabo vs Ace, people take the 24-26 win ratio even from their childhood into consideration and I think it's a legit argument.
How do you know Shanks was only a high tier and not a top tier when they fought? Is it because of their age? Luffy Zoro Law Kidd will all become top tiers before 27 (when Shanks lost his arm)
You think two high tiers fight can be good enough to be remembered and labeled as legendary by the great Whitebeard? (Dont bother if you think WB doesnt respect their duels). We saw Kata vs Luffy, two high tiers fighting, you think it can impress any top tiers to the point that he remembers it after 10+ years?
How come only Shanks grew stronger and Mihawk did not after their fight? It's not like Mihawk ended up as a nobody. This is a shonen. We normally take the past strength comparison/portrayal into account. This is more valid for featless characters. When assessing pre-skip Sabo vs Ace, people take the 24-26 win ratio even from their childhood into consideration and I think it's a legit argument.
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I don't even know why you have an once of credibility. Oh wait everyone realize you're a stupid troll.
Anti-Wank more like Pro-Bullshit.
"People blocked Mihawk. People >> Mihawk"
EoW Zoro > Mihawk ?? Oh yes Ndule logic. Makes sense
Vista squabbled with Mihawk and Mihawk didn't even care ? Vista >> Mihawk
Mihawk a legend not beating any YC1
Stop your retarded shit Ndule you're barely worth my time now
They're dishonest and don't even know what logic and reason is.
Somehow they can't use their brain.
They'll say to you Shanks was Bobbin level during the duels with some warped ass logic.
WB would probably remember the legendary fight between Cracker and Luffy
The daily duels between Zoro and Sanji that shakes the world
Anti-Wank more like Pro-Bullshit.
"People blocked Mihawk. People >> Mihawk"
EoW Zoro > Mihawk ?? Oh yes Ndule logic. Makes sense
Vista squabbled with Mihawk and Mihawk didn't even care ? Vista >> Mihawk
Mihawk a legend not beating any YC1
Stop your retarded shit Ndule you're barely worth my time now
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They're dishonest and don't even know what logic and reason is.
Somehow they can't use their brain.
They'll say to you Shanks was Bobbin level during the duels with some warped ass logic.
WB would probably remember the legendary fight between Cracker and Luffy
The daily duels between Zoro and Sanji that shakes the world
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I am not downplaying them, people have been misinterpreting them from the get-go, taking it as an absolute statement when WB´s title had highly circumstantial aspects to it, and Kaidou´s is already contradictory to WB´s one, so that´s two in three.
People believing Mihawk is special in that regard is far more irrational to me.
"He was recognized as a Yonkou six years ago", meaning he only reached the strength then, especially since the core members of his crew were already part in East Blue. You can argue about the likelihood of him being low top tier or high tier back then with more than six years in-between, but the fact that he was not at the strength he is now is established.
WB never called the duel legendary, dude how many times do people have to misquote this. He was talking about the legend of the Roger era, and in contrast, the duel between Shanks and Mihawk, something that is famous and shook the Grand line in the current era, is very new to his ears and mind, despite being already more than a decage ago (pre-TS), underlining that Whitebeard is a remnant of a past era and is pretty much living in his nostalgia.
WB is not an idiot unlike Roger and Luffy, he remembers things that he deems important or he notice. He took notice of Ace despite him probably being a mid tier, he remembered Luffy, he remembered Buggy and so forth. Is Buggy top tier now as well?
A high tier, especially when they are Y1Cs, is enough for people to remember it. Luffy beating Cracker and Katakuri, in connection with also getting out of Totland alive, made people say he is the fifth Emperor, despite not even remotely having the strength. So yeah, it´s huge, especially since they had been duking it out over a long period of time.
I am not claiming that, but i look at the facts. Shanks dueled with Mihawk 12 years ago, only 6 years ago had the strength to be recognized alongside BM, Kaidou and WB. And we know they fought each other vehemently for a certain period of time since Law underlined they all competed for territory. You can argue Shanks already had the strength, and after a long period of time and getting the territories he was recognized as Yonkou but the facts do not align with that. BB beating Marco, a high tier, and having the strength immediately made him a Yonkou, so Shanks having the strength and competing with WB, Kaidou and BM should have immediately made him one, yet it took 6 years -> meaning he did not have the strength yet, and grew stronger from extreme battles, which is also a fact.
And meanwhile, what did Mihawk do? He enjoyed the Shichi title and the rest in his castle, strolling around to take care of fodders from time to time, at least that´s what the manga tells and shows us.
Yep, this is a Shounen, i agree, and that if Oda wants Mihawk up there (which would fit his portrayal), he does not need logic for it, but until then, the facts speak a different language, and i am not emotionally invested enough either way to be influenced by it one way or the other. Mihawk top tier (which i agree is his portrayal, but nothing more than that), good, not top tier, also good.
The Sabo Ace thing is nonsense btw.
People believing Mihawk is special in that regard is far more irrational to me.
"He was recognized as a Yonkou six years ago", meaning he only reached the strength then, especially since the core members of his crew were already part in East Blue. You can argue about the likelihood of him being low top tier or high tier back then with more than six years in-between, but the fact that he was not at the strength he is now is established.
WB never called the duel legendary, dude how many times do people have to misquote this. He was talking about the legend of the Roger era, and in contrast, the duel between Shanks and Mihawk, something that is famous and shook the Grand line in the current era, is very new to his ears and mind, despite being already more than a decage ago (pre-TS), underlining that Whitebeard is a remnant of a past era and is pretty much living in his nostalgia.
WB is not an idiot unlike Roger and Luffy, he remembers things that he deems important or he notice. He took notice of Ace despite him probably being a mid tier, he remembered Luffy, he remembered Buggy and so forth. Is Buggy top tier now as well?
A high tier, especially when they are Y1Cs, is enough for people to remember it. Luffy beating Cracker and Katakuri, in connection with also getting out of Totland alive, made people say he is the fifth Emperor, despite not even remotely having the strength. So yeah, it´s huge, especially since they had been duking it out over a long period of time.
I am not claiming that, but i look at the facts. Shanks dueled with Mihawk 12 years ago, only 6 years ago had the strength to be recognized alongside BM, Kaidou and WB. And we know they fought each other vehemently for a certain period of time since Law underlined they all competed for territory. You can argue Shanks already had the strength, and after a long period of time and getting the territories he was recognized as Yonkou but the facts do not align with that. BB beating Marco, a high tier, and having the strength immediately made him a Yonkou, so Shanks having the strength and competing with WB, Kaidou and BM should have immediately made him one, yet it took 6 years -> meaning he did not have the strength yet, and grew stronger from extreme battles, which is also a fact.
And meanwhile, what did Mihawk do? He enjoyed the Shichi title and the rest in his castle, strolling around to take care of fodders from time to time, at least that´s what the manga tells and shows us.
Yep, this is a Shounen, i agree, and that if Oda wants Mihawk up there (which would fit his portrayal), he does not need logic for it, but until then, the facts speak a different language, and i am not emotionally invested enough either way to be influenced by it one way or the other. Mihawk top tier (which i agree is his portrayal, but nothing more than that), good, not top tier, also good.
The Sabo Ace thing is nonsense btw.
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Seems like people actually understanding the realities.
If shanks was a top tier already
Why must it take him 6 years to be Yonko?
When Teach took a year to be one by beating Marco and co , and taking the territories.
Teach was low top tier when he eat the 2 Df, YC1/2 Yami Teach. Even current Teach is still considered below shanks.
It means Shanks was High tier 12+ years ago
then for the next 6 years he fought extreme battles to grow to Be solid mid top tier and thus 6 years ago he became Yonko.
Current shanks is lower-high top tier
If shanks was a top tier already
Why must it take him 6 years to be Yonko?
When Teach took a year to be one by beating Marco and co , and taking the territories.
Teach was low top tier when he eat the 2 Df, YC1/2 Yami Teach. Even current Teach is still considered below shanks.
It means Shanks was High tier 12+ years ago
then for the next 6 years he fought extreme battles to grow to Be solid mid top tier and thus 6 years ago he became Yonko.
Current shanks is lower-high top tier
Every title must have circumstantial aspects. We cant bet on Kaido in a 1on1 when he is sick. However, under normal circumstances, the title should be absolute.
Regarding Mihawk's title, I think there is a room for debate about who is swordsman in the eyes of Oda. I agree with you that Whitebeard having a Meito, and Roger fighting with swords certainly narrows down the definition of a swordsman. But if someone is a swordsman, he has to be weaker than Mihawk.
Having said that, some of you guys are acting like the titles are introduced as a joke by Oda. That would be a terrible writing.
Come on now, Whitebeard mentions the legends in the sentence right before Shanks-Mihawk duel and they are even in the same speech bubbles.
Does Oda need to spoonfeed us everything?
He explained why remembered Buggy.
"I fought against Roger's ship so many times. We locked arms so often, I began to remember some faces among his crew"
Anyway, if you think Whitebeard gave Buggy the same respect, then I dont want to argue against this point.
Morgan and Whitebeard's statements are not same.
Mihawk was bored and was looking for a challenge. If Shanks got stronger, why didnt Mihawk go after him again to prove himself? Its funny that while you think Shanks got stronger, Mihawk actually thinks he got weaker and call him a "has-been". I dont think Mihawk was really serious here, but if you want to stick to manga panels without reading between lines, this is what you get.
You already know what I would say, so lets address this point.
There is a difference between Blackbeard and Shanks's case. Blackbeard invaded his known territory and fought against his old crew. According to Jinbei, "As a veteran of WB's crew, Blackbeard knew their territory like the back of his hand"
Moreover, BB had to beat Marco, not another yonko, which actually goes against your "since Law underlined they all competed for territory".
Now, lets put it into context. Blackbeard had the strength to become a yonko two years back. The grudge war happened one year back. So it took him about a year to become a yonko. It means just with strength alone, you cant become a yonko from day 1.
If Blackbeard needs about a year to win his known territory by fighting against a YC1, it makes sense why Shanks required 6 years.
Regarding Mihawk's title, I think there is a room for debate about who is swordsman in the eyes of Oda. I agree with you that Whitebeard having a Meito, and Roger fighting with swords certainly narrows down the definition of a swordsman. But if someone is a swordsman, he has to be weaker than Mihawk.
Having said that, some of you guys are acting like the titles are introduced as a joke by Oda. That would be a terrible writing.
Come on now, Whitebeard mentions the legends in the sentence right before Shanks-Mihawk duel and they are even in the same speech bubbles.
He explained why remembered Buggy.
"I fought against Roger's ship so many times. We locked arms so often, I began to remember some faces among his crew"
Anyway, if you think Whitebeard gave Buggy the same respect, then I dont want to argue against this point.
Morgan and Whitebeard's statements are not same.
Mihawk was bored and was looking for a challenge. If Shanks got stronger, why didnt Mihawk go after him again to prove himself? Its funny that while you think Shanks got stronger, Mihawk actually thinks he got weaker and call him a "has-been". I dont think Mihawk was really serious here, but if you want to stick to manga panels without reading between lines, this is what you get.
You already know what I would say, so lets address this point.
There is a difference between Blackbeard and Shanks's case. Blackbeard invaded his known territory and fought against his old crew. According to Jinbei, "As a veteran of WB's crew, Blackbeard knew their territory like the back of his hand"
Moreover, BB had to beat Marco, not another yonko, which actually goes against your "since Law underlined they all competed for territory".
Now, lets put it into context. Blackbeard had the strength to become a yonko two years back. The grudge war happened one year back. So it took him about a year to become a yonko. It means just with strength alone, you cant become a yonko from day 1.
If Blackbeard needs about a year to win his known territory by fighting against a YC1, it makes sense why Shanks required 6 years.
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Okay, let me tell you what I really believe.
The difference between top and high tier is large that a top tier basically can one shot a high tier. Thats why I dont think they were high tiers during their fights.
I think they were near to the top tier level.
I do believe that Shanks got stronger after that. At the same time, I believe Mihawk also got stronger in equal pace. Its a shonen. It doesnt make a any sense for Oda to write their first conversation like an equal rival if there was a gap between their strength.
Finally, I wont be surprised if Shanks continues to grow and get the next WSM title.
Haha, Shinmen is a good poster. His only problem is Akainu wank 
The difference between top and high tier is large that a top tier basically can one shot a high tier. Thats why I dont think they were high tiers during their fights.
I think they were near to the top tier level.
I do believe that Shanks got stronger after that. At the same time, I believe Mihawk also got stronger in equal pace. Its a shonen. It doesnt make a any sense for Oda to write their first conversation like an equal rival if there was a gap between their strength.
Finally, I wont be surprised if Shanks continues to grow and get the next WSM title.
hey're dishonest and don't even know what logic and reason is.
Somehow they can't use their brain.
They'll say to you Shanks was Bobbin level during the duels with some warped ass logic.
WB would probably remember the legendary fight between Cracker and Luffy
The daily duels between Zoro and Sanji that shakes the world
Somehow they can't use their brain.
They'll say to you Shanks was Bobbin level during the duels with some warped ass logic.
WB would probably remember the legendary fight between Cracker and Luffy
The daily duels between Zoro and Sanji that shakes the world
The translations are not really important. Whats important here to me is the context. Whitebeard talks about legend and then mentions Shanks-Mihawk duel almost in the same breath.
Could Blackbeard beat Marco 2 years back, immediately after getting gura gura? I think he could. Still, he needed a year to conquer the territories. That was my point. Just because you have strength, you wont be a yonko from day 1. It takes time.
I disagree. I dont think the gap between Kaido and the other yonkos are so big.
That was a vivre card statement. I would take that with a grain of salt.
I never say Shanks is weaker than Mihawk, my constant position is they are equal.
Shanks might not be a swordsman.
I think he is overrated.
Could Blackbeard beat Marco 2 years back, immediately after getting gura gura? I think he could. Still, he needed a year to conquer the territories. That was my point. Just because you have strength, you wont be a yonko from day 1. It takes time.
I disagree. I dont think the gap between Kaido and the other yonkos are so big.
That was a vivre card statement. I would take that with a grain of salt.
I never say Shanks is weaker than Mihawk, my constant position is they are equal.
Shanks might not be a swordsman.
I think he is overrated.
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