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I think he is
I view him as a slightly better Gaimou
less rash and less Β« stupid Β»
only thing against him is his death wish/emptyness
but even with that he is a monster
During Juuko arc he was fighting weirdly and was still smacking people left and right
For me he is a little bit higher than other FD
And without emptiness he will be even better
I view him as a slightly better Gaimou
less rash and less Β« stupid Β»
only thing against him is his death wish/emptyness
but even with that he is a monster
During Juuko arc he was fighting weirdly and was still smacking people left and right
For me he is a little bit higher than other FD
And without emptiness he will be even better
The mother of all my Kingdom tier lists.
I gave up ranking the characters individually when I got down to the low Heavenly King tier. Lol
I gave up ranking the characters individually when I got down to the low Heavenly King tier. Lol
I just don't see someone like Taigo or Naki being on the same level as a general.
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What is going on in this tier? The more I look at it, the more insane it seem to me.
Also, why do you hate Kyoukai?
Also, why do you hate Kyoukai?
Choukatsu: lead an army of 400k, but got one shot by Ouki? So heβs clearly GG level in some way but not that high on the list.
Choutou: Obviously a GG
Gakujou: A GG but got mid diffed by Renpa so arguably not that great of one.
Hakukisai: He was technically the Wei commander in chief during Sanyou, and he was a vassal of Gokei so heβs got to be pretty good right?
Hanoki: Named the Head of State military for the state of Ai
Wategi: Proximity to Hanoki, and he rose to the top of a mountain society on strength alone
Ten: Has defeated numerous general caliber strategists, but still gets clocked by Heavenly Kings IE GyouβUn
Kyuugen: See Hakukisai
Kisui: Said to be Great General level by Riboku (paraphrased)
Maron: Was Kankiβs official strategist and showed great strategic knowledge at KokuYou and during other battles. Wasnβt quite sure where to put him
Mougou: Obviously a GG
Mouki: he shouldnβt be far behind Mouten, heβs an official 6GG strategist who has come into his own in recent years, I think thatβs a fair spot to put him.
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Great idea. I really have trouble ranking them for the reasons you said. Small elite units but with potential to greatly influence a battle. Kitari is similar, didnβt really know where to rank her.
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Gakujou was still considered 2nd most famed general in all of Zhao at the time aka he had to have some legit achievements under his belt for that to happen. He was basically Kochou before Kochou. Didn't Renpa also said that he satisfied him 60% compared to 6GG? You think he would say something like this about fodders like Hakukisai or Kyuugen?
He literally was said to be mediocre commander and Renpa's puppet. The only reason he got the position in the first place was his popularity. He was so unimportant that Kanki capturing his HQ was offscreen.
Yeah, because he was a traitor and a scumbag, not because he was a skilled commander. I don't remember anything impressive from this guy.
What do you mean? Kyuugen was never CiC of anything and being Gokei's vassal doesn't automatically make you GG level.
Yeah, he deserves to be at least one tier higher. His morale boosts are legit GG-level, he won a battle with 1:5 disadvantage in numbers, made Koku'ou shit herself by just showing up, called a prodigy on more then one ocasion etc. I have to make a separate thread about Kisui, because people sleep on him way too much.
Definitely not above Kyoukai, thats for sure.
The gap in experience between him and guys like Mougou and Choutou is way too big. He participated in battle like ... two times in his life?
He literally was said to be mediocre commander and Renpa's puppet. The only reason he got the position in the first place was his popularity. He was so unimportant that Kanki capturing his HQ was offscreen.
Yeah, because he was a traitor and a scumbag, not because he was a skilled commander. I don't remember anything impressive from this guy.
What do you mean? Kyuugen was never CiC of anything and being Gokei's vassal doesn't automatically make you GG level.
Yeah, he deserves to be at least one tier higher. His morale boosts are legit GG-level, he won a battle with 1:5 disadvantage in numbers, made Koku'ou shit herself by just showing up, called a prodigy on more then one ocasion etc. I have to make a separate thread about Kisui, because people sleep on him way too much.
Definitely not above Kyoukai, thats for sure.
The gap in experience between him and guys like Mougou and Choutou is way too big. He participated in battle like ... two times in his life?
Fair point. Kyuugen was actually quite badass in his own way but Hakukisai looked like he was constantly about to pass out in Renpaβs presence lol. Which doesnβt bode well for Kyuugen.
Fair enough. I may have been too harsh on Gakujou. Or maybe too generous with Hakukisai and Kyuugen.
Not super relevant with Mouki. Ten had never fought in a battle either, yet by her very first battle she was already convincingly beating a general class strategist.
Mougou crawled so Mouki and Mouten could fly. Their inexperience does not matter with regard to their talent. At such a young age, they are already debatably more talented than Mougou himself was at his peak. The only thing Mougou had on current Mouten was weight and experience. And I think Mouki is similar to Mouten, he is a young prodigy far, far ahead of where Mougou was at that age.
I donβt think Moubu would accept a run of the mill strategist as his strategist. Even if it was his own son. Heβd sooner pick a good strategist than give his son a rank he hasnβt earned imo. And Mouki was Shouheikunβs second best student, thatβs got to count for something. I donβt see Mouki losing to even experienced general tier strategists. I think he can strategically go blow for blow with GGs.
Fair enough. I may have been too harsh on Gakujou. Or maybe too generous with Hakukisai and Kyuugen.
Not super relevant with Mouki. Ten had never fought in a battle either, yet by her very first battle she was already convincingly beating a general class strategist.
Mougou crawled so Mouki and Mouten could fly. Their inexperience does not matter with regard to their talent. At such a young age, they are already debatably more talented than Mougou himself was at his peak. The only thing Mougou had on current Mouten was weight and experience. And I think Mouki is similar to Mouten, he is a young prodigy far, far ahead of where Mougou was at that age.
I donβt think Moubu would accept a run of the mill strategist as his strategist. Even if it was his own son. Heβd sooner pick a good strategist than give his son a rank he hasnβt earned imo. And Mouki was Shouheikunβs second best student, thatβs got to count for something. I donβt see Mouki losing to even experienced general tier strategists. I think he can strategically go blow for blow with GGs.
So far only one person on Reddit has bitched about Ousenβs placement lol
https://www.reddit.com/r/Kingdom/s/JscruwIGbK
But like, howβ¦I put him in the second highest tier lmfao, alongside the likes of Ouki and Renpaβ¦
https://www.reddit.com/r/Kingdom/s/JscruwIGbK
But like, howβ¦I put him in the second highest tier lmfao, alongside the likes of Ouki and Renpaβ¦
The levels for Heavenly Kings and Base Great General should be swapped since none of the Heavenly Kings have the rank of Great General (and only their leader, Renpa has that rank).
Otherwise, tier list looks fine. The ones who are physically strong may/may not move up a couple of spots as their presence alone drastically affects how a battle plays out
Otherwise, tier list looks fine. The ones who are physically strong may/may not move up a couple of spots as their presence alone drastically affects how a battle plays out
Untrue. Kyou En was a great general and head of state military for a small state before he served Renpa.
Genpou was also said to be able to be the head of state for all of Zhaoβs military. Literally he was capable of being ranked above Great General.
GyouβUn had also defeated βseveralβ Great Generals.
The Heavenly Kings are all on the level of actual Great Generals.
Genpou was also said to be able to be the head of state for all of Zhaoβs military. Literally he was capable of being ranked above Great General.
GyouβUn had also defeated βseveralβ Great Generals.
The Heavenly Kings are all on the level of actual Great Generals.
