Rules Kingdom General Discussion

Weight is not equal across generals, its a spectrum
Ouki beat the living shit out of Houken. Meanwhile Gekishin, a GG with weight who killed countless bushins and mocked Houken for not knowing what the weight of a GG is, was one shot with one arm
Ay up, I call bull on Gekishin having Weight. That character's entire purpose in the story was to show us how a Weightless General fares against Houken in a fight. Lol.
I would say that Gekishin's hype was 100% real. He was arguably portrayed as a Top Tier strategist and also as a good fighter to boot. Anyone who spoke of him treated him with nothing but respect.

His role in the story was to show what a Top Tier General without Weight looked like in a fight, both to the benefit of the reader and to Houken. Presumably the reason why Gekishin didn't have Weight despite his status as a Legendary Great General was due to his detached, mercenary style attitude of selling his services to the highest bidder and his complete disregard to his own subordinates. Gekishin could also serve as an example of what Shin could have ended up becoming had he kept his own initial mercenary style attitude he had towards Ei Sei and never acquired a higher ideal to fight for. The bloke's name is literally Geki Shin. :risicheck:
For the bit about Houken calling him a fraud, that has to do with Gekishin's lack of Weight and Hara wanting to give Houken some character growth.

From what I recall, Riboku lured Houken onto the battlefield with the promise of another powerful General in Gekishin. Gekishin's military record on paper would put him on par with the Qin 6 and Great Heavens. With Houken not comprehending Ouki's words fully, he goes to the battlefield once more expecting another great duel to test his martial might and perhaps come closer to understanding what it is about being a Great General that made the likes of Ouki strong enough to best him in a duel.

He finds Gekishin and finds him completely lacking what Ouki had (i.e. Weight). Despite all his accomplishments on the battlefield as a Great General, Gekishin immediately crumples under Houken's might. Without Weight, without that thing which intrigues and frustrates the Bushin so, Gekishin is indeed a fraud in Houken's eyes and while he perhaps isn't closer to understanding what the Weight of a General is, Houken does now know what it isn't. It isn't something that is acquired just by being a General or even by being a General with a long and successful battlefield career. There is something more to it that Houken has yet to find out, that something being emotional attachment which Houken rejects.

As for the rest of that post, Geki got Kochou'd. Lmao. :josad:
Anyway, Gaimou and Gekishin aren't that similar for much the same reason, that reason being emotional attachment. Gaimou cares for his subordinates, Gekishin happily cuts down his own subordinates if they disappoint him. Gaimou is still loyal to his nation despite losing a decade of his life in imprisonment there, Gekishin fights for whatever kingdom pays him the most money.
 
Well, I never suggested who would win.

Houken would best not try to clash his glaive against his if he's going for the kill, is all I'm saying.
Houken has no weight so any decent martial general with weight will feel more heavy than him
Houken has killed strong warriors with weight before including Kyou, Duke and even Shin once
You need to be close to him in strength and have absurd gg weight to beat him
 

Elder Lee Hung

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Just to let you guys know, long ago @Elder Lee Hung compared the respect Renpa gets from the fans to Shanks' fans circlejerking, and i have been deeply hurt by that ever since.
Lmfao and Renpa fans never refuted that association.

Hara explicitly called Prime Gyou’Un the martial might of Zhao.

Renpa fans: “oh but he only meant one of the martial mights of Zhao/Renpa is stronger because he’s a Great General”

Literally the denial around Gyou’Un > Renpa is exactly the same as the denial around Mihawk > Saint Shanks lol. The author of this manga has explicitly told us multiple times that Gyou’Un was the stronger warrior.

@MarineHQ ’s “Renpa was a Great General equal to Ouki!” Fell apart 3 years ago and it falls apart now as Rinshoujou is also a Great General equal to Ouki but he would get negged by Suugen.

@TheKnightOfTheSea remember how you said Man’U and Gokei were the most underrated characters in the series? In my 3 years of WorstGen Kingdom experience, Renpa is the most wretchedly overrated character by a country mile and it’s not even close. The only character who compares to Renpa in his ability to delude the fanbase is Ousen lol.

But Renpa is more overrated than Ousen is. Hara has compared like 6 other warriors to Renpa and his fanbase still to this day bitches and moans about all 6 lmfao. At least @MarineHQ acknowledges that Hara made these comparisons, I’m pretty sure PTSD erased the likes of Kaishibou, Bananji, Gyou’Un, and Gaimou from the mind of the Renpa fan lol.

And literally it’s just because Renpa is a great general and for no other reason. Literally by that logic Rinshoujou also beats these guys because Rinshoujou was explicitly called Renpa’s equal lol.
 
Houken has no weight so any decent martial general with weight will feel more heavy than him
Houken has killed strong warriors with weight before including Kyou, Duke and even Shin once
You need to be close to him in strength and have absurd gg weight to beat him
Duke Hyou never overpowered Houken in his exchanges. Houken literally called him a weakling.

Based on statements, Gyou Un in theory could. He actually has more raw power than Duke Hyou, believe it or not.
 
Ay up, I call bull on Gekishin having Weight. That character's entire purpose in the story was to show us how a Weightless General fares against Houken in a fight. Lol.
Interesting read
The question is, is Gekishin dumb enough to tackle ''the man who killed Ouki'' if he didn't actually have weight
Weight can come in all sort of ways, I don't think loyalty is a necessity. Pride in oneself can do the trick for example
Different generals, different emotions
 
Both Renpa and Ouki beat Gyou’Un 1v1 but it is a high diff fight at least. Renpa and Ouki are not some 1v1 duelist gods. Kanmei and Moubu are stronger than them at that, Shibashou might beat them too (likely), a mediocre general like Mougou despite having bad technique knocked Renpa back again and again, broke his horse's leg too. Ouki said that Duke Hyou could give him a run for his money in a duel. Plus, of course, their weight has been compared various times to that of other characters like Gaimou or Gyou’Un.

Ouki/Renpa are legends, they're amongst the best in the manga, but they wouldn't the be best in a 1v1 dueling arena. They aren't the best commanders in the manga either, there are certainly a few individuals who can classify as their equals and others above them.
Using Mougou vs Renpa as an example doesn't really work lol
Mougou's glaive was carrying decades of fury, the same way a strategist like Chougaryuu was mauling Shin
When Renpa had enough of his sobbing story he completely fodderized him

Ouki and Renpa are literally the dueling gods of the manga. I think Moubu is stronger now but all four are in the same league more or less. Weight is the most important stat in the manga, it is a fact we have to deal with. Its weight, and not raw phyiscal strength, that will carry Shin to top 1 of the series, and not all weights are equal
 
Interesting read
The question is, is Gekishin dumb enough to tackle ''the man who killed Ouki'' if he didn't actually have weight
Weight can come in all sort of ways, I don't think loyalty is a necessity. Pride in oneself can do the trick for example
Different generals, different emotions
All the Weight I can recall throughout the series comes from individuals that hold emotional attachments to others and bear a concept of responsibility in some form, such as a responsibility to preserve the legacy of deceased comrades, a responsibility to their nation etc.

If pride in oneself was enough to bear Weight then Lord Shoumou should have been trading blows with Ouki. :myman:

As for Gekishin, arrogance can make a fool out of even the smartest of men. Lol.
 

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All the Weight I can recall throughout the series comes from individuals that hold emotional attachments to others and bear a concept of responsibility in some form, such as a responsibility to preserve the legacy of deceased comrades, a responsibility to their nation etc.

If pride in oneself was enough to bear Weight then Lord Shoumou should have been trading blows with Ouki. :myman:

As for Gekishin, arrogance can make a fool out of even the smartest of men. Lol.
gekishin is the kid of kingdom
 
Houken's first action makes SHK who is probably above Gyou'Un say that's fucking impossible
How could someone just ignore formation and tactics and literally walk into the camp and kill a qin6
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We know Ousen loved his wife.... But do we know if he has affection/cares for anyone else?

We know he's devoted to changing China with his new kingdom...
Yeah Ousen will have weight imo
He has a goal to be a king
 
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