Powers & Abilities King's Lunarian fire is like magma, stronger than normal fire

#21
Is it hotter than normal fire? Absolutely.
Is it as hot as Akainu's magma (which was shown as massively hotter than real life magma)? I don't think so.

I would be impressed if it reaches temperatures above peak Mera Mera attacks to be honest.
 
#22
Please don't run the thread with this nonsensical troll claims.

Sanji's durability is not even remotely comparable to King's, let alone on par or better.
Sanji's best tanking feat is against a nameless, Hakiless attack from non swordsman Queen who didn't use a graded sword. That's it. Later Sanji even with the esoskeleton was damaged by Queen's Vinsmoke rip off moves. Pityful.

While King proved to have durability higher than Kaido's. When Zoro used Tatsumaki on Kaido, he managed to cut through the dragon scales and wound Kaido and make him bleed, Kaido bleeded also from.his mouth, meaning not only external but internal damage also.
When Zoro used the very same move on King, his wings completely blocked the attack and King was completely unscathed. Later King even proceeded to nullify Shi Shishi Sonson, a move that Zoro stated to be stronger than Tatsumaki, that already wounded Kaido and that King did no sell.
Before gaining Advanced Conqueror, Zoro said that he literally could not damage King; while he didn't have problem in cutting and wounding Kaido before. Advanced Conqueror was needed for him to overcome King's durability.

So stop your fanfictions. In the manga it's:

King's durability >>> Kaido's durability >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sanji's durability
Imagine not realizing sanjis organs were damaged through brachiohissss and an exo skeleton won't fix that.

If king got hit with brachio hiss in his speed form he'd be dead. But let's say he regens his bones and then switched over to his defense mode... he'd be in the same exact situation. Coughing up blood from other attacks

Let's not forget that zoros attacks are essentially just big cuts. They don't work the same as a crushing attack through pure strength. A hardened shell will block cuts better than immense pressure.

Proven with Kaido big meme eustass kidd etc...
 
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#23
So the author felt the need to have this fire compared to magma, like no other has been, and drew it like magma, like no other has been.
And in the One Piece world magma is stronger than fire.
But somehow this doesn't count.
Well you are a famed Simpji fan, therefore a Flat Earth Society member, so I won't argue. It's ok. You're right. Earth is flat and donkeys fly.
Yeah, don't mind him. He even opened a thread to talk about how King is the strongest and most impressive. That is, when he thought Sanji is going to face him. If Sanji was the one to defeat King, he would claim that King's fire is comparable to the nuclear fusion of the sun.
 

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#24
Is it hotter than normal fire? Absolutely.
Is it as hot as Akainu's magma (which was shown as massively hotter than real life magma)? I don't think so.

I would be impressed if it reaches temperatures above peak Mera Mera attacks to be honest.
Papazuki's magma was introduced as hotter than fire so Oda probably meant any fire:cheers:
 
#25
Imagine not realizing sanjis organs were damaged through brachiohissss and an exo skeleton won't fix that.

If king got hit with brachio hiss in his speed form he'd be dead. But let's say he regens his bones and then switched over to his defense mode... he'd be in the same exact situation. Coughing up blood from other attacks

Let's not forget that zoros attacks are essentially just big cuts. They don't work the same as a crushing attack through pure strength. A hardened shell will block cuts better than immense pressure.

Proven with Kaido big meme eustass kidd etc...
So King can make himself explode in a giant explosion almost as big as Onigashima's enormous skull.
And immediately come back as if nothing happened.

And Queen himself feels the need to stop his own fight to worship him as someone who can survive everything.

"B-but Queen can a-almost kill him with ridicolous Brachio Snake that King can dodge in his sleep"

:milaugh:
 
#26
So King can make himself explode in a giant explosion almost as big as Onigashima's enormous skull.
And immediately come back as if nothing happened.

And Queen himself feels the need to stop his own fight to worship him as someone who can survive everything.

"B-but Queen can a-almost kill him with ridicolous Brachio Snake that King can dodge in his sleep"

:milaugh:
A 5 year old with lunarian hax skin can survive in everything, doesn't mean he's strong.

King endurance is dogshit, he relies on his lunarian hax to protect himself but when you hit him with his fire off, he crumbles. Jack, Queen and Kaido can take a beating and still keep fighting, King can't.
 
#28
So King can make himself explode in a giant explosion almost as big as Onigashima's enormous skull.
And immediately come back as if nothing happened.

And Queen himself feels the need to stop his own fight to worship him as someone who can survive everything.

"B-but Queen can a-almost kill him with ridicolous Brachio Snake that King can dodge in his sleep"

:milaugh:
The scariest part about Queen hyping King is that Queen is a genius scientist who actually believes that king can survive in any environment 😂.
The guy didn't even know if there is a way to take out king.
Nice thread and i agree about your fire ranking:goyea:
 
#29
Based on what? King of Hell would obliterate almost everyone.
Headcannon.
Asura against Kaido was Zoro's strongest attack which had CoC. KOH style is just Zoro coating his swords with CoC.
King was shooked from Bird Dance which is one of Zoro's weakest attack that he started to use his sword to block.
 
#30
Agree. King and Lunarian powers is something impressive.
Also as the user above already addressed, it seems to be a fusion of King's Lunarian fire and his Color of Armament Haki.
After all, his strongest fire moves come directly from his CoA enhanced sword.


Yes a complete ranking could be:

- Magu Magu's magma

- Lunarian fire

- Mother Misery fire
- Ifrit Jambe fire

- Mera Mera fire
- Boro Breath fire
- Prometheus fire

- Diable Jambe fire

Sanji's Diable Jambe is pretty weak compared to other fire powers, but his Ifrit Jambe is really impressive. Unluckily he can sustain that only very briefly and then exhausts himself. But the fire/lightning combo is very good, otherwise.
Misery isn't fire, its an entity of pure energy
Misery is Linlin just turning maser cannon into a homie, and maser cannon if you remember was a laser
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also, misery is drawn very similar to karyuudon in regard to the shading
 
#31
Headcannon.
Asura against Kaido was Zoro's strongest attack which had CoC. KOH style is just Zoro coating his swords with CoC.
King was shooked from Bird Dance which is one of Zoro's weakest attack that he started to use his sword to block.
Asura used subconscious CoC. Obviously King of Hell is much stronger. Even Luffy's conscious coating was called crude and clumsy by Kaido, so what is Zoro's subconscious CoC then.

King of Hell is an entirely new Mode (En-O Santoryu). You can call it headcanon as much as you want.

That bird dance was infused with high level CoA and CoC. And it didn't do anything to King with turned off flames. Just like Zoro's first strike did nothing but removing King's mask.
 
#32
A 5 year old with lunarian hax skin can survive in everything, doesn't mean he's strong.

King endurance is dogshit, he relies on his lunarian hax to protect himself but when you hit him with his fire off, he crumbles. Jack, Queen and Kaido can take a beating and still keep fighting, King can't.
King "crumbles" from adv CoC plus enma attacks, big mom warned kaido for something way less than this.
Also king was throwing zoro like a missile from how hard he could hit and he easily overpowered sanji with the rs(before exo pu) means that king is strong.
Jack and queen didn't face something as strong as KoH.
Queen was back to his human form after two hits from a nerfed big mom, enma zoro could hit harder than that try adding adv CoC..
Jack fall from inu, a person who is obviously weaker than everyone i mention in my post so claiming that he would continue fighting after a beating from zoro of all people is kinda off.
 
#33
Asura used subconscious CoC. Obviously King of Hell is much stronger. Even Luffy's conscious coating was called crude and clumsy by Kaido, so what is Zoro's subconscious CoC then.

King of Hell is an entirely new Mode (En-O Santoryu). You can call it headcanon as much as you want.

That bird dance was infused with high level CoA and CoC. And it didn't do anything to King with turned off flames. Just like Zoro's first strike did nothing but removing King's mask.
Zoro said himself, he's going all out with Asura for a final attack so even with subconscious CoC, it's his strongest attack.
KOH is Zoro not pulling any punches which made him collapse in the end.
His first strike was to test his theory on King's fire and he got it right.

There's no right hand of a Yonko losing a fight in 3 hits even against an Emperor, King just can't take a punch.
 
#34
Headcannon.
Asura against Kaido was Zoro's strongest attack which had CoC. KOH style is just Zoro coating his swords with CoC.
King was shooked from Bird Dance which is one of Zoro's weakest attack that he started to use his sword to block.
No it's not, in the very same chapter we saw how adv CoC attacks look like and Ashura was not one.
 
#35
King "crumbles" from adv CoC plus enma attacks, big mom warned kaido for something way less than this.
Also king was throwing zoro like a missile from how hard he could hit and he easily overpowered sanji with the rs(before exo pu) means that king is strong.
Jack and queen didn't face something as strong as KoH.
Queen was back to his human form after two hits from a nerfed big mom, enma zoro could hit harder than that try adding adv CoC..
Jack fall from inu, a person who is obviously weaker than everyone i mention in my post so claiming that he would continue fighting after a beating from zoro of all people is kinda off.
Didn't say King was weak, his attack strength is the best among the commanders.
KoH ain't that hype up, Yamato can coat CoC but her CoC is weaker than Kaido.

No it's not, in the very same chapter we saw how adv CoC attacks look like and Ashura was not one.
Oda also didn't use lightning for Oden but he said Odens attack was CoC.
 
#36
Zoro said himself, he's going all out with Asura for a final attack
So? Still it was a very basic and primitive application of CoC. CoC wasn't taken into consideration hence. Plus Zoro having a broken skeleton. KOH is a high level of CoC usage, mich above what Zoro used on the roof top.
 
#37
So? Still it was a very basic and primitive application of CoC. CoC wasn't taken into consideration hence. Plus Zoro having a broken skeleton. KOH is a high level of CoC usage, mich above what Zoro used on the roof top.
...Zoro went all out...why is that a question...

Don't know why you're using broken bones as an excuse, Hajrudin broke all his bones in his right arm and leg and still sent the Kilogram guy flying into the birdcage.
KoH style being this OP mode is all headcannon.
 
#38
Yes a complete ranking could be:

- Magu Magu's magma

- Lunarian fire

- Mother Misery fire
- Ifrit Jambe fire

- Mera Mera fire
- Boro Breath fire
- Prometheus fire

- Diable Jambe fire.
Perfect ranking.

Ifrit is stronger than fire because it's drawn differently too, with manga panel example, just like in OP post.
But it can't be stronger than Misery because misery's fire is half fire half lightning, whereas Sanji's fire only has lightning sparjs.
It also can't be stronger than magu or lunarian fire because Sanji is just a human, with no innate affinity for fire like Sakazuki and King.
 
#39
Didn't say King was weak, his attack strength is the best among the commanders.
KoH ain't that hype up, Yamato can coat CoC but her CoC is weaker than Kaido.



Oda also didn't use lightning for Oden but he said Odens attack was CoC.
I agree about king and yamato and i misunderstood what you wrote about king's strength, sorry.

Adv CoC is Luffy's biggest pu to this day.
He was getting beaten easily in g4 and after adv CoC pu, he could fight evenly with Kaido in base.
Even if we say that luffy is much stronger than zoro that doesn't change the fact that luffy climb many levels in strength with this pu and the same could apply for zoro.
We can see that because zoro was losing every exchange prior to adc CoC and the fight was one sided right after in Zoro's favour after his pu.
So KoH is hype..
I mean the guy used onigiri without even moving lol.

Yes but Ashura and Luffy vs Kaido are in the same chapter and only zoro didn't have black lighting leaks.
Even by kaido's words, we can tell the difference. After Zoro's attack he said : you have king's haki too? While in the conversation between him and Luffy it's clear that adv CoC is something else from basic king's haki.
Kaido would have mention something to luffy at least, that his friend could use the power that only the strongest can use.
So we don't have a quote that put zoro in the same discussion as luffy, yamato, kaido etc, or black lighting leaks from Ashura.
I believe we have all the answers because all happened in the very same chapter.
 
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