General & Others Kizaru vs Luffy: An Agendaless View

[Pringles]

Saturn took over for Kizaru or you think the boss came down full of disappointment to show support to his employee? Saturn isn't a kind character.

These people think that the Egghead incident consists in Nika, the one who was awaited by all slaves and Buccaneers, ignoring Saturn grabbing Bonney and eye diffing Sanji, Vegapunk and the others, only so he fights Kizaru again and saves their agenda. On the other hand, I get criticized for my narrative analyses by the same people.

 

[U c 4 up da idly]

Saturn took over for Kizaru or you think the boss came down full of disappointment to show support to his employee? Saturn isn't a kind character.

Saturn came down took take control of the pacifista and Saturn being there doesn't magically make kizaru disappear who isn't even koed

 

[Pringles]

Saturn came down took take control of the pacifista

 

[U c 4 up da idly]

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[Pringles]

1094 panels when I provided you a 1095 panel, it seems that you did not read the latest chapter.

Here is the link for chapter 1095 because you clearly didn't read it yet, it's out on TCB: https://tcbscans.com/chapters/7521/one-piece-chapter-1095?date=13-10-2023-19

 

[RebelliousSoma]

That doesn't help your argument at all.

Saturn took over. He wants to kill the SHP one by one. It doesn't matter what Kizaru does, Kizaru is just a bitch for Saturn.

 

[U c 4 up da idly]

1094 panels when I provided you a 1095 panel, it seems that you did not read the latest chapter.

Here is the link for chapter 1095 because you clearly didn't read it yet, it's out on TCB: https://tcbscans.com/chapters/7521/one-piece-chapter-1095?date=13-10-2023-19

The panels I posted shows that Saturn appeared to take control of the pacifista he was out in egghead before Kizaru and Luffy went down...

 

[Pringles]

The panels I posted shows that Saturn appeared to take control of the pacifista he was out in egghead before Kizaru and Luffy went down...

Saturn landed on Egghead because Kizaru was taking longer than usual for his mission, because of Nika.

He first took control over the pacifista, he was attacked by Bonney, then he moved on to kill every single opponent, including Vegapunk (which was Kizaru's mission).

If you think that Nika will still face Kizaru when a bigger threat is on Egghead that nobody else can fight, then feel free to believe so.

 

[U c 4 up da idly]

That doesn't help your argument at all.

Saturn took over. He wants to kill the SHP one by one. It doesn't matter what Kizaru does, Kizaru is just a bitch for Saturn.

What happens when Kizaru gets back is he just going to stand there and watch Saturn?

 

[IsaziSempi]

I don't think it was a bad showing by luffy it just wasn't interesting.i think his biggest mistake was using snake man instead of boundman. There's no pint in using speed against a light man. Once kizaru was in the air Luffy was a sitting duck and basically forced to use g5. Though we knew when he fought Kaidou Luffy was admiral level and in g5 he's clearly yonkou level. Though it was more plot and everything else then a genuine fight.

So in conclusion Admirals can't bully Luffy anymore but when fighting other Yonkou's Luffy is going to have to use 110 percent because of his stamina issues. Unlikely the other Yonkous will be as merciful as Kaidou was.

 

[RebelliousSoma]

What happens when Kizaru gets back is he just going to stand there and watch Saturn?

Yes. He's going to await Saturn's command like a good little bitch. Maybe a lightbulb bitch idk, what do you think is more fitting to call him?

 

[Pringles]

What happens when Kizaru gets back is he just going to stand there and watch Saturn?

He will certainly help Saturn or try to go after his mission but think for a minute.

Now, you have Saturn and Kizaru on Egghead and Saturn is the bigger threat (you certainly don't disagree with me).

Nika is the only one who can fight Saturn.

Now, who is going to fight Kizaru? I don't know but @mly90 may have the answer.

 

[U c 4 up da idly]

Saturn landed on Egghead because Kizaru was taking longer than usual for his mission, because of Nika.

He first took control over the pacifista, he was attacked by Bonney, then he moved on to kill every single opponent, including Vegapunk (which was Kizaru's mission).

If you think that Nika will still face Kizaru when a bigger threat is on Egghead that nobody else can fight, then feel free to believe so.

The giant robot, VG, Sanji, Franky and Kuma are going to deal with Saturn

 

[Pringles]

The giant robot, VG, Sanji, Franky and Kuma are going to deal with Saturn

So characters that either got eye diffed by Saturn, are not even moving or are not even in Egghead, I see.

The mental gymnastics just so Kizaru doesn't land on the hands of somebody else than Luffy.

We'll see.

 

[RebelliousSoma]

The giant robot, VG, Sanji, Franky and Kuma are going to deal with Saturn

Interesting. Maybe you should suggest your new strategy to Oda? Imagine Wano: SHP vs Kaido, while Luffy fights Kaido's fodder.

 

[BlackLegFring]

Ironic that the majority of posts here are agenda as compared to the title.

Anyway, there’s not much to say unless one considers 1 of the opponents to be out completely.
It’s like saying that the Scabbards won their first round against Kaido, or Doflamingo won the first round against Luffy.

As of now, considering both fighting or objective just means no one won.

- It started with Luffy attacking Kizaru while the others were fleeing with the Sunny
- Luffy powered up to Gear 4 to try and fight Kizaru but the latter blocked all his attacks then kicked him through the Vegaforce 01.
- Kizaru briefly interacted with Bonney, knocked her through the dome and then went to the control room
- Luffy caught up after going into Gear 5 and grabbed him.
- They then scuffled for a bit until Luffy expended his energy to knock him down momentarily while going into old man mode.

In the end, Kizaru screwed up their escape plan and had opportunity to kill Vegapunk but didn’t. Luffy caught up to him and stopped him from killing Vegapunk directly. They’re both temporarily down with Luffy needing protection from his crew, but both will be getting up and Vegapunk is still in danger, so it could go either way.
If Kizaru has awakening, then he hasn’t used everything in his bag while Luffy has done so…and Luffy’s biggest hamper is his limit.

tl;dr Kizaru could have killed Vegapunk before Luffy went into his strongest form, but he’s shown reluctance to do so.
Luffy was able to catch up to Kizaru and temporarily knocked him down right before reaching his limit.

What exactly is supposed to be a big win or loss here? Makes no difference unless one gets up before the other and has a chance to end him. Even then, it would be fair to argue the outcome would be different without the external circumstances.

 

[Pringles]

Ironic that the majority of posts here are agenda as compared to the title.

The irony

People who call this a draw don't understand shit to the latest chapters.

Let's put our agendas aside and try to analyze what is happening, let's go back to the beginning of Egghead.

The WG tried to kill Vegapunk many times. They sent all their forces, even CP0, but they all failed at their mission and never returned.

As a consequence, Admiral Kizaru is sent to Egghead to take care of the mission and is assigned as Saturn's escort/protection, who wants to stay hidden in the ship.

On their way there, they see Luffy's ship and they panick. The narrator says that this will cause an incident that will shock the world tomorrow.

Kizaru arrives in Egghead but the dome is closed. He reaches the dome in seconds as he can transform himself into light and still get inside. He hits Sentomaru and then he goes after the escaping SHs.

Then, yonko Luffy senses this before he even arrives and he decides to stay behind, to prevent that Kizaru does anything to his friends. He kicks Kizaru with his foot.

Following this, Luffy fought Kizaru in CoCless Snakeman but was speedblitzed to the other side of the dome and Kizaru went again after his mission: kill Vegapunk.

Seconds after, Luffy catches him back and grabs him with his hand, in Giant Nika.

Luffy throws Kizaru to the sea to get rid of him, but Kizaru comes back and he sends clones to Luffy. Luffy stomps all of the clones in 1 kick.

Kizaru then attacks Luffy's friends but Luffy gets in the way and swallows the attack.

This banter continues and finally, Luffy lands a clean hit on Kizaru that incapacitates him for a bit.

Saturn sensing that Kizaru is taking longer than usual to take care of his mission, he decides to land on Egghead and take care of the mission himself. However, Saturn tells Kizaru that he understands why he couldn't achieve his mission: Nika.

So who clearly won here?

Yet, some people will tell you that the one who perfectly prevented Kizaru from achieving his mission and incapacitated him "lost" because he is having a drawback from his fruit, or that this is a draw because they are both on the ground.

Stop this nonsense, your agenda is blinding you.

 

[U c 4 up da idly]

So characters that either got eye diffed by Saturn, are not even moving or are not even in Egghead, I see.

The mental gymnastics just so Kizaru doesn't land on the hands of somebody else than Luffy.

We'll see.

We don't know how saturns powers work and we already know Kuma is on his way to egghead. The science themed characters taking down the god of science is pretty fitting

 

[RebelliousSoma]

but both will be getting up and Vegapunk is still in danger, so it could go either way.
If Kizaru has awakening, then he hasn’t used everything in his back while Luffy has done so…and Luffy’s biggest hamper is his limit.

You are missing the point. You are seeing agenda where there is no agenda because you have your admiral fight agenda fixated in your head.

Let me give you a different examples then:
Luffy fights Katakuri, but Big Mom intervenes when they are both down for whatever reason. Does the fight continue between the two if they both get up and Big Mom is still there not fighting anyone else?
Luffy fights King, but Kaido intervenes and both are on the floor. When King and Luffy get up, who will he fight? Kaido or King?

What is so hard to understand? Luffy won't find the 2nd strongest. Do you think Kizaru pays Saturn's wages?

 

[Pringles]

We don't know how saturns powers work and we already know Kuma is on his way to egghead. The science themed characters taking down the god of science is pretty fitting

Yeah sure, more fitting than Nika, the one who was awaited by all slaves and Buccaneers, defeating Saturn, an Elder and Celestial Dragon, who is hurting and about to kill Bonney, Sanji, Vegapunk and the others and this causing an incident in Egghead that will shock the entire world.